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New ARG Poll in Michigan -- HRC: 53% BS: 40% (Original Post) DCBob Feb 2016 OP
Racial breakdown.. DCBob Feb 2016 #1
Race, race, race,race...let's keep harping on that Armstead Feb 2016 #17
Since when are polling results not a permitted discussion topic. DCBob Feb 2016 #19
Certainly permitted,. As is reaction. Armstead Feb 2016 #21
I dont think anything the Clinton campaign did had any effect on Bernie's issues with AA voters. DCBob Feb 2016 #22
He has been connecting more and more...And AAs are not monolithic Armstead Feb 2016 #23
Of course they are not monolithic. DCBob Feb 2016 #24
What is hatrmfuil to the Democratic Party as an institution is that it doesn't give a shit about.... Armstead Feb 2016 #25
and the incessant drone of race differences will make it increasingly harder Merryland Feb 2016 #26
Hillary didn't think twice about using racist dog whistles cali Feb 2016 #27
Awesome! MoonRiver Feb 2016 #2
The numbers simply aren't there for Bernie! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #3
He might win a few more minor states and gather a number of delegates.. DCBob Feb 2016 #4
And Mme. Secretary does not have much of a chance of winning in the GE, which Bernie does. Life Cal33 Feb 2016 #20
Michigan is OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #5
The poll included Independents.. DCBob Feb 2016 #7
As Usual ACTUAL Democrats Overwhelmingly Support Clinton Stallion Feb 2016 #9
Yeah, if it weren't for the non-Democrats voting for him.. DCBob Feb 2016 #11
IKR? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #13
Michigan doesn't look like a Bernie state workinclasszero Feb 2016 #6
And don't forget Governor Grandholm, a very strong Hillary supporter. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #8
Didn't know about that..great! workinclasszero Feb 2016 #14
Here's a nice pic of them. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #16
Cool workinclasszero Feb 2016 #18
Welcome! Granholm has always been one of my favorite political peeps! MoonRiver Feb 2016 #28
I'll wait for the online polls. grossproffit Feb 2016 #10
LOL workinclasszero Feb 2016 #15
The "air-war" has only just started in this state John Poet Feb 2016 #12
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. Race, race, race,race...let's keep harping on that
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

Let's stop Bernie from being able to build relationships without feeding preconceptions.

Race, race,race.....

We can all go broke together.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
21. Certainly permitted,. As is reaction.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

And I am reacting because I am angry that from before Day One in this damn primary, Clinton campaign used race divisively

Yes Sanders has had an uphill battle, and time is not on his side in terms of winning over minorities. So yeah, objectively you;re correct.

But one of the primary reasons for that has been a deliberate campaign of distortion by the Clinton campaign. They have used divisive racial tactics to smear Sanders from the beginning.

Sanders is equally -- or more -- committed to advancing life for people of all races and is equally, perhaps more -- committed to fighting racism than Clinton.

But the Clinton campaign made sure that he was NEVER given a chance to introduce himself to the AA or minority without nasty insinuations and outright lies about Bernie having a "special problem" with AA's Latinos, etc. That he doesn't care about racial equality or civil rights.

They never allowed him to make his case without it being distorted to "He doesn't care about Black people (Hispanics) or social issues. "He only cares about economics and bashing the rich." As if economics is not a central issues for minorities.

So Clinton may pull off a Pyrrhic Victory for the nomination, but it will weaken her in the fight against REAL RACISM in the fall against the GOP, because she has alienated so many people with this crap.


DCBob

(24,689 posts)
22. I dont think anything the Clinton campaign did had any effect on Bernie's issues with AA voters.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

Fair or not, he simply does not connect. It could be almost entirely superficial but that's just the way it is. You can't blame any of that on Hillary or anyone else.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
23. He has been connecting more and more...And AAs are not monolithic
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

That' s the problem. AAs have been treated like they are a monolithic mass who are not individuals.

When exposed to Bernie, some don't like him, some are neutral and some are wildly enthusiastic.

What I have a REAL problem with is that instead of focusing on areas where Clinton and Sanders have real differences, Then Clinton campaign has have gone out of their way to besmirch someone who shares her goals for racial equality, justice and advancement.

In GOP style segmentation and polarization, they have twisted Sanders attempt to convey a unifying message into one that is insensitive to racial issues -- which is morally wrong.

It was unnecessary, it is harmful to the Democratic Party, and it is bad for America.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. Of course they are not monolithic.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:08 PM - Edit history (1)

But they are overwhelmingly favoring Hillary. That's a fact. That's Bernie's problem... not Hillary's.

Yes, the campaign may be trying to exploit that a bit but I dont think that is making any difference one way or the other.

What's harmful to the Democratic Party are Bernie supporters saying that Clinton is a corrupt, lying, oligarch they will never ever vote for her.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
25. What is hatrmfuil to the Democratic Party as an institution is that it doesn't give a shit about....
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

pro-active liberal governance anymore.

Anything to win,. But what comes after winning doesn't matter. Either a holding action against the GOP, surrender or outright corruption.

What is happening now is just another repetition of the resistance to actual reform on the issues that matter to everyone. In this instance, using race in a polarizing way as one of those "anything to win" diversionary tactics....at the cost of governing, and possibly at the cost of winning in November.




Merryland

(1,134 posts)
26. and the incessant drone of race differences will make it increasingly harder
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Feb 2016

for progressive Democrats to make it to the voting booth. Just saying.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. Hillary didn't think twice about using racist dog whistles
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

against Obama. She told BLM.activists that if they didn't.behave as queen hilly dictated, she'd only talk to whites. If I were Bernie,.I'd roll tape of that BLM meeting in an ad

She doesn't give a fuck.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
4. He might win a few more minor states and gather a number of delegates..
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

But in the end it will be a big victory for Madam Secretary!

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
20. And Mme. Secretary does not have much of a chance of winning in the GE, which Bernie does. Life
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

is full of unexpected twists, turns and contradictions.

OkSustainAg

(203 posts)
5. Michigan is
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:40 PM
Feb 2016

a proportional delegate state and open which means independents can vote. I wonder how close it will be?

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
12. The "air-war" has only just started in this state
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

a few days ago.

Sitting through the AM news show here, I've seen about six Bernie ads to Hillary's one.

These numbers aren't set in stone, and the margin is narrower than in some states.

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