2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew ARG Poll in Michigan -- HRC: 53% BS: 40%
http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/midem.htmlAnother big delegate state that will vote for Hillary!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Same trend as the other high African American population states.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Let's stop Bernie from being able to build relationships without feeding preconceptions.
Race, race,race.....
We can all go broke together.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)??
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And I am reacting because I am angry that from before Day One in this damn primary, Clinton campaign used race divisively
Yes Sanders has had an uphill battle, and time is not on his side in terms of winning over minorities. So yeah, objectively you;re correct.
But one of the primary reasons for that has been a deliberate campaign of distortion by the Clinton campaign. They have used divisive racial tactics to smear Sanders from the beginning.
Sanders is equally -- or more -- committed to advancing life for people of all races and is equally, perhaps more -- committed to fighting racism than Clinton.
But the Clinton campaign made sure that he was NEVER given a chance to introduce himself to the AA or minority without nasty insinuations and outright lies about Bernie having a "special problem" with AA's Latinos, etc. That he doesn't care about racial equality or civil rights.
They never allowed him to make his case without it being distorted to "He doesn't care about Black people (Hispanics) or social issues. "He only cares about economics and bashing the rich." As if economics is not a central issues for minorities.
So Clinton may pull off a Pyrrhic Victory for the nomination, but it will weaken her in the fight against REAL RACISM in the fall against the GOP, because she has alienated so many people with this crap.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Fair or not, he simply does not connect. It could be almost entirely superficial but that's just the way it is. You can't blame any of that on Hillary or anyone else.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)That' s the problem. AAs have been treated like they are a monolithic mass who are not individuals.
When exposed to Bernie, some don't like him, some are neutral and some are wildly enthusiastic.
What I have a REAL problem with is that instead of focusing on areas where Clinton and Sanders have real differences, Then Clinton campaign has have gone out of their way to besmirch someone who shares her goals for racial equality, justice and advancement.
In GOP style segmentation and polarization, they have twisted Sanders attempt to convey a unifying message into one that is insensitive to racial issues -- which is morally wrong.
It was unnecessary, it is harmful to the Democratic Party, and it is bad for America.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:08 PM - Edit history (1)
But they are overwhelmingly favoring Hillary. That's a fact. That's Bernie's problem... not Hillary's.
Yes, the campaign may be trying to exploit that a bit but I dont think that is making any difference one way or the other.
What's harmful to the Democratic Party are Bernie supporters saying that Clinton is a corrupt, lying, oligarch they will never ever vote for her.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)pro-active liberal governance anymore.
Anything to win,. But what comes after winning doesn't matter. Either a holding action against the GOP, surrender or outright corruption.
What is happening now is just another repetition of the resistance to actual reform on the issues that matter to everyone. In this instance, using race in a polarizing way as one of those "anything to win" diversionary tactics....at the cost of governing, and possibly at the cost of winning in November.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)for progressive Democrats to make it to the voting booth. Just saying.
cali
(114,904 posts)against Obama. She told BLM.activists that if they didn't.behave as queen hilly dictated, she'd only talk to whites. If I were Bernie,.I'd roll tape of that BLM meeting in an ad
She doesn't give a fuck.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Good!
Go, Hillary! We love you!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)But in the end it will be a big victory for Madam Secretary!
Cal33
(7,018 posts)is full of unexpected twists, turns and contradictions.
OkSustainAg
(203 posts)a proportional delegate state and open which means independents can vote. I wonder how close it will be?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Stallion
(6,476 posts)this must come as a big surprise to DU
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Bernie would be toast.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Not 98% white IOW.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thanks
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Its a sure Bernie win then!
John Poet
(2,510 posts)a few days ago.
Sitting through the AM news show here, I've seen about six Bernie ads to Hillary's one.
These numbers aren't set in stone, and the margin is narrower than in some states.