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Cheers for English only voting at caucus... (Original Post) yawnmaster Feb 2016 OP
Debunked and by the way it was not English only nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #1
It was yelling to get Huerta off stage because she endorses Clinton. Pretty cruddy, either way. Hoyt Feb 2016 #4
And the chair also prevented the Sanders partisan from translating nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #5
People can watch the video themselves. No opinion or hearsay based debunking needed... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #13
There is far more background nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #15
I hear the statement and I hear the cheers. I saw the context and it is still sad. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #26
This makes me sad. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #2
Its disgusting. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #3
HRC:"You're asking me to say I have never, I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will" nc4bo Feb 2016 #6
And Huerta was called a liar and bribe taker countless times here on DU after this incident brush Feb 2016 #7
Ooooooh, she mispoke. So that's what they're calling it now? nc4bo Feb 2016 #8
Exactly. eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #33
Hasn't this already been debunked about a hundred times? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #9
All that it takes is for one to actually watch the event as captured and make their own... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #12
Everything else aside.. one_voice Feb 2016 #10
Already know this is a lie. She already walked bit back! onecaliberal Feb 2016 #11
People can view the video for themselves. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #14
The people who were ACTUALLY THERE said it didn't happen and Delores already walked it back. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #16
so still trying to push the lie even though it has been proven false huh? liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #23
I watched the video. The video doesn't appear tampered. It is still not pretty... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #28
No, she didn't...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #17
Try reading the truth and not crap from Hillary liars onecaliberal Feb 2016 #19
... SidDithers Feb 2016 #20
I believe the nurse who was an independent observer not for Hillary or Bernie. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #21
Erin Cruz (one of the eyewitnesses), is definitely a Sanders supporter, as is the second one... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #31
Why read snopes and the second hand debunking when one can watch the video themselves and make... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #29
Yep - witness notes Hillary side applauding moderator's "...English only' . jmg257 Feb 2016 #18
Sanders supporter witnesses Hillary supporter applauding... hmmm...watch the video for oneself. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #25
Oh I did - certainly heard some applause, can't tell from whom though. I wasn't jmg257 Feb 2016 #32
Gaby Hoffmann is a woman, an actress, and a strong Sanders supporter. Her hearing may have been... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #36
Good luck with this strategy. Fearless Feb 2016 #22
I am always happy with people viewing the fundamental material themselves and then making their... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #24
The poutrage is strong in this one. Fearless Feb 2016 #27
Do you discourage people from watching the actual event and making their own opinion??? eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #30
WaPo is giving this behavior a wider airing, thank goodness. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #34
It is highly inappropriate. On a number of levels. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #35
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. Debunked and by the way it was not English only
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

And it was a Clinton supporter.

Plenty of ops on this

I guess it's time to try again.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. And the chair also prevented the Sanders partisan from translating
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

This mess lies at the party's feet...yes, it is that simple.

And after Ralston's article came out and other videos...all I can say is...Tammany Hall.

By the way, the op is chumming the water. I am trashing it. As well as the rest of the chum. You all can continue with the "outrage."

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
13. People can watch the video themselves. No opinion or hearsay based debunking needed...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

Watch it and decide what the cheering is about.
At the very least it shows a lack of empathy towards those needing translation.
It also shows disrespect to a recognized labor leader and civil rights activist, Dolores Huerta.
Some are obviously putting "the game" ahead of rational discourse and understanding.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
15. There is far more background
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

Including a second video that shows the Hillary supporter doing what she is doing

This is chum. Keep at it.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
6. HRC:"You're asking me to say I have never, I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016
L.I.E.

Seems these "misunderstandings" apply to her surrogates and supporters too.

The hands are only doing what the head commands. They all work in unison.

Btw.....+1 to Nadin.

brush

(53,787 posts)
7. And Huerta was called a liar and bribe taker countless times here on DU after this incident
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

This happened in Las Vegas but believe me, it won't stay in Vegas.

So no Spanish translator was allowed.

No way that plays well with Latinos in the upcoming primary states.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
8. Ooooooh, she mispoke. So that's what they're calling it now?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016


Memo: We're human and we all make mistakes. Sometimes it takes a little elbow nudging to recognize the mistake. The door is then open for the mistake to be corrected.

The correction should also be spread as far and wide as the mistake. It's the only right thing to do.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
12. All that it takes is for one to actually watch the event as captured and make their own...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

opinion.
The debunking that I've seen has been opinion based debunking.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
10. Everything else aside..
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:20 PM - Edit history (1)

this bothered me.

'we're going forward in English only. This is gonna happen really quick. If somebody next you is not English speaking please make sure your next to them (?) and can translate as quickly as possible'


Really quickly. translate as quickly as possible. Wonder how many people were lost in translation? That's not a joke. That was horrible.


onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
16. The people who were ACTUALLY THERE said it didn't happen and Delores already walked it back.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

All you people have a fucking lies.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
23. so still trying to push the lie even though it has been proven false huh?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

I know where you belong. On my ignore list.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
28. I watched the video. The video doesn't appear tampered. It is still not pretty...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

Sometimes the truth is difficult and sometimes ugly. Encourage people to see the video and make their own opinion.
Ignoring the event (or anything else) is not going to make it go away or improve the situation.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
20. ...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/20/dolores-huerta-says-she-was-shouted-down-with-english-only-chants-from-a-sanders-crowd/

The Washington Post's Abby Phillip caught up with Huerta to find out what happened next.

"The person who was running the caucus ... people were saying we need a translator, so he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator," Huerta said. "So I went up to the front to be the translator."

The video above shows that her appearance onstage wasn't so well received. Some Sanders supporters may have been disturbed by the idea of a Clinton supporter interpreting events for the entire crowd. But that doesn't explain everything Huerta said she heard from the crowd.

"It was mostly the organizers," Huerta continued. "The Bernie organizers were shouting, 'No, no, no.' Then a Bernie person stood up and said said, 'No, we need to have it, I can also do translation' or whatever. The person who ran the caucus said, 'Well, we won’t have a translator.' The sad thing about this is that some of the organizers were shouting, 'English only! English only!' The Bernie organizers."

Again, this is what Huerta says happened when she tried to interpret from English to Spanish at a Nevada caucus site. The crowd apparently included a large number of Bernie Sanders supporters. And given that much of the Las Vegas strip's workforce is made up of Latino Americans and Latino immigrants, one would expect that some people in the crowd might have wanted to hear Huerta.

Instead, Huerta and actress America Ferrera, an on-the-record Hillary Clinton supporter, both tweeted that Huerta was shouted down with chants of, "English only!"



It sounds like Huerta heard exactly what she said she heard. She's pretty damn clear on that.

Sid

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
21. I believe the nurse who was an independent observer not for Hillary or Bernie.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:44 PM
Feb 2016

You can believe the sellout though.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
31. Erin Cruz (one of the eyewitnesses), is definitely a Sanders supporter, as is the second one...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

in her own words.." a die hard Bernie Sanders supporter"
https://twitter.com/neuroticnurse75

Sarah Falanga is also a strong Sanders supporter as seen here:
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-cheer-grand-opening-of-bernie-sanders-cleveland-area-office/


yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
29. Why read snopes and the second hand debunking when one can watch the video themselves and make...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Feb 2016

their own opinion???

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
18. Yep - witness notes Hillary side applauding moderator's "...English only' .
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

Gaby Hoffmann ✔ ?@gabymhoffmann
@AmericaFerrera @DoloresHuerta Also, & I noted this while there, the hill side was the one that applauded when he says english only.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
25. Sanders supporter witnesses Hillary supporter applauding... hmmm...watch the video for oneself. eom
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
32. Oh I did - certainly heard some applause, can't tell from whom though. I wasn't
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

there - this guy was.

Edit to add:
Gaby Hoffmann ✔ ?@gabymhoffmann
@AmericaFerrera @DoloresHuerta I was there & NO ONE from Bernie camp shouted this - moderator did when neutral translator wasn't found!!

Gaby Hoffmann ✔ ?@gabymhoffmann
@AmericaFerrera @DoloresHuerta Also, & I noted this while there, the hill side was the one that applauded when he says english only.
9:46 PM - 20 Feb 2016

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
36. Gaby Hoffmann is a woman, an actress, and a strong Sanders supporter. Her hearing may have been...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

biased and she may not realize it, because what she says doesn't make sense.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
24. I am always happy with people viewing the fundamental material themselves and then making their...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

own opinion.
For either side.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
34. WaPo is giving this behavior a wider airing, thank goodness.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:47 PM
Feb 2016

Snopes has also been revising their article with updates, so that might not be over yet either. Several of us called them out for using biased observers as their sources.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/21/why-neither-side-is-quite-right-in-their-reads-on-that-dolores-huerta-english-only-shout-down/

"this video really does not prove Huerta was guilty of the bias alleged by Sanders supporters; it's easy to see why she felt abused and upset after being shouted off the stage. Nor does it completely clear the Sanders supporters of all the allegations against them; some of the comments that are clearly audible in it amount to more than bad public behavior.

You see, there is still one big and serious problem, particularly at an event held by the party that claims to be an inclusive home for progressive voters. Nevada has one of the most diverse electorates in the nation, and 19 percent of the state's total population is foreign-born.

<snip>

The Voting Rights Act requires that translated voting materials and language assistance or interpretation services be made available in areas with a certain concentration of voters with limited English proficiency. Clark County, Nev., which includes Las Vegas, is one of those places. It has been since the 2000 Census.

<snip>


The reasons for these laws are clear -- so clear that the applause and excitement as the English-only decision was made at the Harrah's Casino caucus Saturday perhaps did strike some people, including Huerta, as highly inappropriate."

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