2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCheers for English only voting at caucus...
Somewhat disturbing....
Go to 1:45 to see what I'm talking about.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And it was a Clinton supporter.
Plenty of ops on this
I guess it's time to try again.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This mess lies at the party's feet...yes, it is that simple.
And after Ralston's article came out and other videos...all I can say is...Tammany Hall.
By the way, the op is chumming the water. I am trashing it. As well as the rest of the chum. You all can continue with the "outrage."
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)Watch it and decide what the cheering is about.
At the very least it shows a lack of empathy towards those needing translation.
It also shows disrespect to a recognized labor leader and civil rights activist, Dolores Huerta.
Some are obviously putting "the game" ahead of rational discourse and understanding.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Including a second video that shows the Hillary supporter doing what she is doing
This is chum. Keep at it.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Seems these "misunderstandings" apply to her surrogates and supporters too.
The hands are only doing what the head commands. They all work in unison.
Btw.....+1 to Nadin.
brush
(53,787 posts)This happened in Las Vegas but believe me, it won't stay in Vegas.
So no Spanish translator was allowed.
No way that plays well with Latinos in the upcoming primary states.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Memo: We're human and we all make mistakes. Sometimes it takes a little elbow nudging to recognize the mistake. The door is then open for the mistake to be corrected.
The correction should also be spread as far and wide as the mistake. It's the only right thing to do.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)Please try to keep up.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)opinion.
The debunking that I've seen has been opinion based debunking.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:20 PM - Edit history (1)
this bothered me.
Really quickly. translate as quickly as possible. Wonder how many people were lost in translation? That's not a joke. That was horrible.
onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)All you people have a fucking lies.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)I know where you belong. On my ignore list.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)Sometimes the truth is difficult and sometimes ugly. Encourage people to see the video and make their own opinion.
Ignoring the event (or anything else) is not going to make it go away or improve the situation.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/20/dolores-huerta-says-she-was-shouted-down-with-english-only-chants-from-a-sanders-crowd/
"The person who was running the caucus ... people were saying we need a translator, so he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator," Huerta said. "So I went up to the front to be the translator."
The video above shows that her appearance onstage wasn't so well received. Some Sanders supporters may have been disturbed by the idea of a Clinton supporter interpreting events for the entire crowd. But that doesn't explain everything Huerta said she heard from the crowd.
"It was mostly the organizers," Huerta continued. "The Bernie organizers were shouting, 'No, no, no.' Then a Bernie person stood up and said said, 'No, we need to have it, I can also do translation' or whatever. The person who ran the caucus said, 'Well, we wont have a translator.' The sad thing about this is that some of the organizers were shouting, 'English only! English only!' The Bernie organizers."
Again, this is what Huerta says happened when she tried to interpret from English to Spanish at a Nevada caucus site. The crowd apparently included a large number of Bernie Sanders supporters. And given that much of the Las Vegas strip's workforce is made up of Latino Americans and Latino immigrants, one would expect that some people in the crowd might have wanted to hear Huerta.
Instead, Huerta and actress America Ferrera, an on-the-record Hillary Clinton supporter, both tweeted that Huerta was shouted down with chants of, "English only!"
It sounds like Huerta heard exactly what she said she heard. She's pretty damn clear on that.
Sid
onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)You can believe the sellout though.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)in her own words.." a die hard Bernie Sanders supporter"
https://twitter.com/neuroticnurse75
Sarah Falanga is also a strong Sanders supporter as seen here:
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-cheer-grand-opening-of-bernie-sanders-cleveland-area-office/
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)their own opinion???
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Gaby Hoffmann ✔ ?@gabymhoffmann
@AmericaFerrera @DoloresHuerta Also, & I noted this while there, the hill side was the one that applauded when he says english only.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)there - this guy was.
Edit to add:
Gaby Hoffmann ✔ ?@gabymhoffmann
@AmericaFerrera @DoloresHuerta I was there & NO ONE from Bernie camp shouted this - moderator did when neutral translator wasn't found!!
Gaby Hoffmann ✔ ?@gabymhoffmann
@AmericaFerrera @DoloresHuerta Also, & I noted this while there, the hill side was the one that applauded when he says english only.
9:46 PM - 20 Feb 2016
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)biased and she may not realize it, because what she says doesn't make sense.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)own opinion.
For either side.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Race bait somewhere else.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Snopes has also been revising their article with updates, so that might not be over yet either. Several of us called them out for using biased observers as their sources.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/21/why-neither-side-is-quite-right-in-their-reads-on-that-dolores-huerta-english-only-shout-down/
"this video really does not prove Huerta was guilty of the bias alleged by Sanders supporters; it's easy to see why she felt abused and upset after being shouted off the stage. Nor does it completely clear the Sanders supporters of all the allegations against them; some of the comments that are clearly audible in it amount to more than bad public behavior.
You see, there is still one big and serious problem, particularly at an event held by the party that claims to be an inclusive home for progressive voters. Nevada has one of the most diverse electorates in the nation, and 19 percent of the state's total population is foreign-born.
<snip>
The Voting Rights Act requires that translated voting materials and language assistance or interpretation services be made available in areas with a certain concentration of voters with limited English proficiency. Clark County, Nev., which includes Las Vegas, is one of those places. It has been since the 2000 Census.
<snip>
The reasons for these laws are clear -- so clear that the applause and excitement as the English-only decision was made at the Harrah's Casino caucus Saturday perhaps did strike some people, including Huerta, as highly inappropriate."