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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:05 PM Feb 2016

This will help GOTV - Obama: "Labor unions...they are not happy with me on this"

Obama 'cautiously optimistic' on TPP trade deal
2/22/16

President Obama said he is “cautiously optimistic” that Congress will pass his signature Pacific Rim trade deal, but he acknowledged opposition in both parties and election-year politics could stall the pact.

“I am cautiously optimistic that we can still get it done,” Obama told a gathering of the National Governors Association at the White House.

Facing opposition from labor unions and Democratic leaders in Congress, the president said he would rely on a coalition of pro-trade Democrats and Republicans in Congress to advance the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.


“Labor unions — and I am a big labor guy — they are not happy with me on this,” Obama said.

The president said that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) “have been supportive of this trade deal” though they have “concerns along the margins.”

Obama said he would send the agreement to Congress for a vote “at some point this year,” but did not indicate a specific date.

If Congress does ratify the agreement, it would be a major legacy-defining accomplishment for Obama.

The massive trade deal comprises 40 percent of the world economy and it would be a significant step toward achieving his administration’s pivot toward Asia.

But the agreement faces staunch opposition both Republicans and Democrats in Congress.


........read the rest~
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/270273-obama-cautiously-optimistic-on-tpp-trade-deal


You know, some years back, I heard some good news. Despite the fact that Bill Clinton opened up China to the WTO & we lost much of our manufacturing to them, the Chinese were getting a taste of middle class & wanted more & would start demanding higher wages.

I read that the jobs would start to come back to the US because of this.

But no, my Democratic president who ran as a "progressive" president is opening up new countries for trade with slave wages like China used to be. So no, the jobs won't be coming back to the US after all.


Why do they think people will still line up behind them when they keeping ripping away jobs from US????

GO Bernie! Go "Made in the USA"!!!!!!!!!

Make your primary vote count. Hillary is all in for this TPP. She helped draft it when she was SoS, so of course she is.

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This will help GOTV - Obama: "Labor unions...they are not happy with me on this" (Original Post) RiverLover Feb 2016 OP
I'm not sure how to put into words how depressing this is to me. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #1
Maybe Obama is trying to help Bernie win CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #35
Yeah. He's a big labor guy. Remember when he put on his most comfortable walking shoes and joined GoneFishin Feb 2016 #2
Yeah, having never done that before, too. joshcryer Feb 2016 #3
Me. I thought it was empty campaign rhetoric. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #10
Just sayin'. joshcryer Feb 2016 #15
I didn't know it was then, and, along with the TPP, it's his biggest 'fail' with me. n/t whathehell Feb 2016 #30
I sure miss candidate Obama's view on trade: think Feb 2016 #26
That's the guy I voted for. I wish he was our President now. He frickin' rocked. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #38
TPP is actually meant to wrench away MFN* status from China. joshcryer Feb 2016 #4
I just wish we were wrenching MFN away and making US the MFN to make American products for RiverLover Feb 2016 #8
I think it will come back once automation takes hold. joshcryer Feb 2016 #14
That's a stark prediction. RiverLover Feb 2016 #22
+1000 n/t whathehell Feb 2016 #31
It was AMERICAN corporate policy to pursue manufacturing opportunities Trajan Feb 2016 #12
Yeah, American consumerism wanted cheap goods. joshcryer Feb 2016 #13
If we were promised lower prices on, say, XBoxes ... Trajan Feb 2016 #19
One cannot be a "big labor guy" as Obama characterizes himself Broward Feb 2016 #5
I sincerely think Obama wants to be the one who "got it right." joshcryer Feb 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Feb 2016 #6
Curious - isn't this "Anti-Democratic Party" and pointing it out violates the TOS? dirtydickcheney Feb 2016 #7
Only 13 senate Dems are with Obama on this. Most true Dems are against it. RiverLover Feb 2016 #9
He'll get around to renegotiating NAFTA annnny day now. Kall Feb 2016 #11
You reminded me of something with this post. Want to see some pure comedy GOLD? RiverLover Feb 2016 #21
Corporate sell out. Fearless Feb 2016 #16
If we keep empowering people who screw us Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #18
I'm fearful that the "TPP" will be sneaked through in the dead of night.... KoKo Feb 2016 #20
Meh is right. Promises? "What promises?" Oh no, it was obstruction from the GOP that prevented RiverLover Feb 2016 #24
Yep..and there's even more... KoKo Feb 2016 #28
slaves buried alive on the Malaysian border isn't enough to make him hesitate MisterP Feb 2016 #23
Not slave wages there, just free labor. Pure slaves who are then killed when the job is done. RiverLover Feb 2016 #25
They're cheering for Hillary now. Marr Feb 2016 #37
It's the Third Way policy...it will be done their way. madfloridian Feb 2016 #27
Fact is, people decided "Made in USA" wasn't so great with first transistor radios, VWs, Datsun, Hoyt Feb 2016 #29
Sit it out & watch as corps make all world workers virtual slaves, lucky for their Trickle Down /nt RiverLover Feb 2016 #32
All these nations are wrong, and you are right. OK. Hoyt Feb 2016 #36
Just one more reason we are fucked in November cali Feb 2016 #33
You're not a big labor guy when you're contanstantly selling them the fuck out! onecaliberal Feb 2016 #34
Does Hillary know that her (current) position on TPP is at odds with her BFF's? thesquanderer Feb 2016 #39

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
35. Maybe Obama is trying to help Bernie win
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

If Obama leverage ideas that 99 percent of Democrats find terrible--while Hillary hitches her wagon to Obama's star--Obama can drag her down and Sanders can make the point that disagreeing with Obama doesn't mean that you are a horrible Democrat, or a horrible person.

I like that this is happening now, as we head into SC.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
2. Yeah. He's a big labor guy. Remember when he put on his most comfortable walking shoes and joined
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

the picket line?

Yeah, me neither.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
3. Yeah, having never done that before, too.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

Who would've thought that was just campaign rhetoric to win the nomination?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
10. Me. I thought it was empty campaign rhetoric.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

Is this supposed to be acceptable?

Sorry, everyone, you know it was just empty campaign rhetoric. That's just how it is! No hard feelings, right?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
15. Just sayin'.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:52 PM
Feb 2016

I never miss an opportunity to remind people Obama was a center right moderate, even as he ran.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
4. TPP is actually meant to wrench away MFN* status from China.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not disagreeing with your OP, I think that TPP is a disaster, but it's a geopolitical thing to reduce China's influence. We'll still be buying stuff from Asia, it just won't have "Made in China" on it, it'll have "Made in Vietnam," or "Made in Malaysia."

I'm responding to your comment,

Bill Clinton opened up China to the WTO & we lost much of our manufacturing to them


*MFN = most favored nation (on trade)

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
8. I just wish we were wrenching MFN away and making US the MFN to make American products for
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

Americans.

American manufacturing jobs. It has a nice ring. This would be most environmentally sound as well. You can't "Buy Local" to cut down freight costs when everything is made overseas.

The whole thing is just so frustrating.

Sacrificing the livelihoods of Americans for the sake of higher stock prices of American Companies & enormous, outrageous CEO pay. And those corporations can't even pay their fucking taxes as a thank you.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
14. I think it will come back once automation takes hold.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

But a lot of people will, likewise, be out of work, because automation will put them out of a job. TPP is just kicking the can down the road.

This is why I think Clinton's "you don't need a higher education" shtick is bad, because we do need higher level workers, to man the robots, so to speak.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
12. It was AMERICAN corporate policy to pursue manufacturing opportunities
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016

In China ... The communist Chinese leadership were more than happy to sell their manufacturing base for filthy lucre ... And multinational corporations jumped at the chance to bypass their own working citizenry and start the infamous race to the bottom ...

It's not China's fault .. The multinationals SUCK

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
19. If we were promised lower prices on, say, XBoxes ...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

But children would have to work 20 hours a day to make that possible - are you lining up to buy those X Boxes?

Is that all we care about? .. Low prices, no matter the human cost?

I disagree .... We need to consider the human cost of this policy ...

Broward

(1,976 posts)
5. One cannot be a "big labor guy" as Obama characterizes himself
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

and promote the TPP. Who buys this crap? Are the people ever going to wake up?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
17. I sincerely think Obama wants to be the one who "got it right."
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Feb 2016

Trade deals have been shitty forever, hell, Most Favored Nation has been around since FDR passed the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act. I think he believes in his heart of hearts it's a good deal.

Response to RiverLover (Original post)

 

dirtydickcheney

(242 posts)
7. Curious - isn't this "Anti-Democratic Party" and pointing it out violates the TOS?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

When HRC supports the TPP will that violate the TOS on DU when we start to point that out?

Does principle to values overrule loyalty to Party?

BTW - I don't hear Trump saying how great these trade deals are BTW... but that may just be me.

Kall

(615 posts)
11. He'll get around to renegotiating NAFTA annnny day now.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016

Who says Clintons are the only ones capable of turning on a dime once the primary is over?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
21. You reminded me of something with this post. Want to see some pure comedy GOLD?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016
February 26 Democratic Debate - Clinton and Obama on NAFTA



Neither of them meant a word of it! And they look so serious, too.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
18. If we keep empowering people who screw us
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

we're going to keep getting screwed.

Is ihe effect of these trade deals any less destructive because the president is black? or if the president was a woman? or whatever?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. I'm fearful that the "TPP" will be sneaked through in the dead of night....
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

in a deal with McConnell, and others, sometime before the 2016 Inauguration. We must be watchful because this, along with ACA, is Obama's main legacy that his large funders supported him for. The rest of what he promised...MEH..

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
24. Meh is right. Promises? "What promises?" Oh no, it was obstruction from the GOP that prevented
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

me from single payer & transparency & ending govt spying on US citizens. And it forced me to be the fracking/US Oil president of all time. And the Korean trade agreement? Obstructionism! Drilling in the ocean? Testing it out in Alaska on the American taxpayers' dime? Obstructionism! Drones killing over 3000 innocent ME civilians (including wedding parties & Doctors)? You guess it! Allowing radioactive fracking waste to be barged on the Ohio River, risking the drinking water source of Americans? Sure that was my call & my call alone, but somehow you will find a way for me to call it obstructionism, right?

Really.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
23. slaves buried alive on the Malaysian border isn't enough to make him hesitate
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

the glassy-eyed votaries are still chanting "he's keeping his powder dry: YOU'LL see. And THEN you'll be SORRY!" are few in number after 8 years

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
25. Not slave wages there, just free labor. Pure slaves who are then killed when the job is done.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:40 PM
Feb 2016

So proud he insisted on keeping such a country in the agreement.

Malaysia mass graves: police find 139 suspected sites
National police chief Khalid Abu Bakar says 28 camps could have held hundreds of people



Think of the profits!!

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
37. They're cheering for Hillary now.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:36 PM
Feb 2016

And if she gets in, those painfully stupid assertions of 'three dimensional chess' will start all over again.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
27. It's the Third Way policy...it will be done their way.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

Go to their website...it is filled with all kinds of good stuff about it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. Fact is, people decided "Made in USA" wasn't so great with first transistor radios, VWs, Datsun,
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

Samsung electronics, etc. Trade is going to happen for that reason alone.

Might as well make the rules work for everyone so that the world grow, including the poorest nations. Ultimately, the 12 nations in TPP and the 30 or so lined up for Trans-Atlantic Partnership can't all be wrong. Even Sanders' favorite country -- Denmark -- is party to the agreement.

I guess we should just sit out and watch the world go by.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
32. Sit it out & watch as corps make all world workers virtual slaves, lucky for their Trickle Down /nt
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:09 PM
Feb 2016

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
39. Does Hillary know that her (current) position on TPP is at odds with her BFF's?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:23 PM
Feb 2016

I guess maybe it's okay to think Obama is wrong about some things after all.

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