2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis will help GOTV - Obama: "Labor unions...they are not happy with me on this"
2/22/16
President Obama said he is cautiously optimistic that Congress will pass his signature Pacific Rim trade deal, but he acknowledged opposition in both parties and election-year politics could stall the pact.
I am cautiously optimistic that we can still get it done, Obama told a gathering of the National Governors Association at the White House.
Facing opposition from labor unions and Democratic leaders in Congress, the president said he would rely on a coalition of pro-trade Democrats and Republicans in Congress to advance the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.
Labor unions and I am a big labor guy they are not happy with me on this, Obama said.
The president said that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) have been supportive of this trade deal though they have concerns along the margins.
Obama said he would send the agreement to Congress for a vote at some point this year, but did not indicate a specific date.
If Congress does ratify the agreement, it would be a major legacy-defining accomplishment for Obama.
The massive trade deal comprises 40 percent of the world economy and it would be a significant step toward achieving his administrations pivot toward Asia.
But the agreement faces staunch opposition both Republicans and Democrats in Congress.
........read the rest~
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/270273-obama-cautiously-optimistic-on-tpp-trade-deal
You know, some years back, I heard some good news. Despite the fact that Bill Clinton opened up China to the WTO & we lost much of our manufacturing to them, the Chinese were getting a taste of middle class & wanted more & would start demanding higher wages.
I read that the jobs would start to come back to the US because of this.
But no, my Democratic president who ran as a "progressive" president is opening up new countries for trade with slave wages like China used to be. So no, the jobs won't be coming back to the US after all.
Why do they think people will still line up behind them when they keeping ripping away jobs from US????
GO Bernie! Go "Made in the USA"!!!!!!!!!
Make your primary vote count. Hillary is all in for this TPP. She helped draft it when she was SoS, so of course she is.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)If Obama leverage ideas that 99 percent of Democrats find terrible--while Hillary hitches her wagon to Obama's star--Obama can drag her down and Sanders can make the point that disagreeing with Obama doesn't mean that you are a horrible Democrat, or a horrible person.
I like that this is happening now, as we head into SC.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)the picket line?
Yeah, me neither.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Who would've thought that was just campaign rhetoric to win the nomination?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Is this supposed to be acceptable?
Sorry, everyone, you know it was just empty campaign rhetoric. That's just how it is! No hard feelings, right?
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I never miss an opportunity to remind people Obama was a center right moderate, even as he ran.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)think
(11,641 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I'm not disagreeing with your OP, I think that TPP is a disaster, but it's a geopolitical thing to reduce China's influence. We'll still be buying stuff from Asia, it just won't have "Made in China" on it, it'll have "Made in Vietnam," or "Made in Malaysia."
I'm responding to your comment,
*MFN = most favored nation (on trade)
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Americans.
American manufacturing jobs. It has a nice ring. This would be most environmentally sound as well. You can't "Buy Local" to cut down freight costs when everything is made overseas.
The whole thing is just so frustrating.
Sacrificing the livelihoods of Americans for the sake of higher stock prices of American Companies & enormous, outrageous CEO pay. And those corporations can't even pay their fucking taxes as a thank you.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But a lot of people will, likewise, be out of work, because automation will put them out of a job. TPP is just kicking the can down the road.
This is why I think Clinton's "you don't need a higher education" shtick is bad, because we do need higher level workers, to man the robots, so to speak.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)May you be wrong on this.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)In China ... The communist Chinese leadership were more than happy to sell their manufacturing base for filthy lucre ... And multinational corporations jumped at the chance to bypass their own working citizenry and start the infamous race to the bottom ...
It's not China's fault .. The multinationals SUCK
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And it still does. We exported our manufacturing.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)But children would have to work 20 hours a day to make that possible - are you lining up to buy those X Boxes?
Is that all we care about? .. Low prices, no matter the human cost?
I disagree .... We need to consider the human cost of this policy ...
Broward
(1,976 posts)and promote the TPP. Who buys this crap? Are the people ever going to wake up?
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Trade deals have been shitty forever, hell, Most Favored Nation has been around since FDR passed the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act. I think he believes in his heart of hearts it's a good deal.
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dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)When HRC supports the TPP will that violate the TOS on DU when we start to point that out?
Does principle to values overrule loyalty to Party?
BTW - I don't hear Trump saying how great these trade deals are BTW... but that may just be me.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/tpa-trade-bill-democrat-vote-tally-119331#ixzz40vHc0H6F
Kall
(615 posts)Who says Clintons are the only ones capable of turning on a dime once the primary is over?
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Neither of them meant a word of it! And they look so serious, too.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)we're going to keep getting screwed.
Is ihe effect of these trade deals any less destructive because the president is black? or if the president was a woman? or whatever?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)in a deal with McConnell, and others, sometime before the 2016 Inauguration. We must be watchful because this, along with ACA, is Obama's main legacy that his large funders supported him for. The rest of what he promised...MEH..
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)me from single payer & transparency & ending govt spying on US citizens. And it forced me to be the fracking/US Oil president of all time. And the Korean trade agreement? Obstructionism! Drilling in the ocean? Testing it out in Alaska on the American taxpayers' dime? Obstructionism! Drones killing over 3000 innocent ME civilians (including wedding parties & Doctors)? You guess it! Allowing radioactive fracking waste to be barged on the Ohio River, risking the drinking water source of Americans? Sure that was my call & my call alone, but somehow you will find a way for me to call it obstructionism, right?
Really.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)but too painful to post it all.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)the glassy-eyed votaries are still chanting "he's keeping his powder dry: YOU'LL see. And THEN you'll be SORRY!" are few in number after 8 years
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)So proud he insisted on keeping such a country in the agreement.
Malaysia mass graves: police find 139 suspected sites
National police chief Khalid Abu Bakar says 28 camps could have held hundreds of people
Think of the profits!!
Marr
(20,317 posts)And if she gets in, those painfully stupid assertions of 'three dimensional chess' will start all over again.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Go to their website...it is filled with all kinds of good stuff about it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Samsung electronics, etc. Trade is going to happen for that reason alone.
Might as well make the rules work for everyone so that the world grow, including the poorest nations. Ultimately, the 12 nations in TPP and the 30 or so lined up for Trans-Atlantic Partnership can't all be wrong. Even Sanders' favorite country -- Denmark -- is party to the agreement.
I guess we should just sit out and watch the world go by.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)I guess maybe it's okay to think Obama is wrong about some things after all.