2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumContrary To Clinton’s Claims, Sanders Has Been Very Loyal To Democratic Party
https://shadowproof.com/2016/02/20/contrary-clintons-claims-sanders-loyal-democratic-party/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He trashed the party for years
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He voted and caucused with the Democrats his entire career. Yes, he has had disagreements as we all should. Do you agree with these free trade agreements?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)LOL
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Defend your position or stop posting.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Not answering is very rude also.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Where you ignored my question
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)HE has caucused with Dems and Raised money for Dems and supported Dems AND
he has criticized the holy Party around when it needed to be. People with Guts do that, you know, speak truth to power.
The CLintons turned the Part into a puppet of the right-wing elites when they created the DLC. THey need a good ass-kickin'
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)These trade deals and cutting social security should be called out
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Chained CPI. Bernie has been against all trade deals. NAFTA is a good one to start with
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And Bernie has been against every attempt and the signed trade agreements
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have plenty to stress about rather than dwell on things that never happened
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)thank god you were only ten and have lived with all the ramifications of NAFTA so you just think that is the way it has always been...
kind of an ostrich view of history....
bravenak
(34,648 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)like a cat playing with a piece of string....
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And Bernie was right in opposition to it. The Clinton's were in favor of it, destroyed many lives
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Undecided
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Hillary said the TPP was the gold standard until she stuck a finger up and evolved.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Read my posts, I pointed the main one out to you.
So are you for any of the trade agreements, signed or not?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The rest of your post is confusing to say the least
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And I know how it destroyed many lives to include mostly middle income and POC
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)The party has a shitty side. Deal with it.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)it is likely Sanders has voted More reliably with the Dem Party over the years-than Many who call themselves Democrats.
I have been a Democrat-Proudly since 1959 and I certainly criticize them (you call it "trashing" Often and quite consistently since the early 1990's.
Further I voted for Clinton Twice, Supported TPP Wyden since 1996, and was 100% in the HRC camp in 2008.
Any Criticism ("trashing" of the Dem Party is well deserved, in 2016 imo. Especially after the Losses in 2010/2012/2014
cali
(114,904 posts)made but a handful of critical comments. And he didn't trash the party.
You have done one of the most amazing 360s I've ever seen. A remarkable and unexplained shift from liking Bernie and detesting Hillary, to the reverse.
But whatever, bravenak.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Whatever, Cali.
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He has caucused and supported the Democrats for decades, why did she leave that part out?
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islandmkl
(5,275 posts)i'm sure you have tons of examples of him taking credit/avoiding blame publicly because of something he sided with the Democrats on...
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)if you like.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)pete seeger which side are you on
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ladjf
(17,320 posts)sarcasm
scscholar
(2,902 posts)shows he toes the party line...well, too much. The problem is actually the other way around.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)will not lie. That is what some expect, give the bullshit cover...TPP for one.
The Obama as airbag Clinton is using is another cynical move on her
disgusting campaign. I do think Bernie should ask people when he meets
with them, do you feel I betrayed Obama as Clinton claimed when I spoke
out and what do you understand about my primary Obama statements.
I think he should take that approach to the most heavy Clinton supporting
communities. See what they think and then respond to them.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The long, troubled history of Bernie Sanders and the 'ideologically bankrupt' party whose White House nod he now seeks.
By MICHAEL KRUSE and MANU RAJU August 10, 2015
"You dont change the system from within the Democratic Party.
My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.
We have to ask ourselves, Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we dont agree with anything the Democratic Party says?
Bernie Sanders, everybodythe same Bernie Sanders who is running to become the Democratic Partys candidate for president of the United States.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)New Democrats, like Clinton and NAFTA...neoliberals.
You undecided too about TPP? That sledgehammer should not be part of any
Democratic Party platform..most Democrats are against it too.
Bernie, thank goodness speaks out and he is straight forward about it.
Presidents are not Kings, not in the US anyway.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)He really has HRC and her supporters going bananas.
Vinca
(50,276 posts)They might have appreciated how important his support has been over the years when half the Democrats abandon the party to vote for him. Instead, they're trashing him. I've been a Democrat all my voting life, but next time around I'll be reregistering as an Independent.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Gothmog
(145,303 posts)This Democratic governor of Vermont does not agree http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed
The Tweedledum and Tweedledee comment is the same thing used by Nader several years later