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Contrary To Clinton’s Claims, Sanders Has Been Very Loyal To Democratic Party (Original Post) kgnu_fan Feb 2016 OP
Bull bravenak Feb 2016 #1
bull Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #2
And trashed the party bravenak Feb 2016 #11
so you think he should've run as independent? yodermon Feb 2016 #13
Just not run bravenak Feb 2016 #16
stfu bernie, 10-4 yodermon Feb 2016 #17
Here is the truth SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #36
Stop being a coward and answer the question about the trade agreements. phleshdef Feb 2016 #14
How Rude! bravenak Feb 2016 #15
How cowardly. I have no respect for intellectual cowardice. phleshdef Feb 2016 #18
please answer my question Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #21
I do not see a question here bravenak Feb 2016 #24
see my original response to you Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #26
THe 'PArty" isn't the holy Sea Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #19
maybe it needed it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #20
Link to SS being cut and a trade deal that was signed please? bravenak Feb 2016 #22
many Democrats were and are for Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #28
None of these things actually happened tho bravenak Feb 2016 #30
yet Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #33
I try not to borrow trouble bravenak Feb 2016 #35
did NAFTA happen? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #38
When I was ten bravenak Feb 2016 #40
so it doesn't matter any more? you just exist in the moment apparently islandmkl Feb 2016 #52
You seem mad bravenak Feb 2016 #54
mad? because of your posts?...no, I'm merely amused... islandmkl Feb 2016 #57
Hmmm bravenak Feb 2016 #58
so it happened Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #59
The TPP? bravenak Feb 2016 #27
no, the other ones too Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #29
what other ones, be specific bravenak Feb 2016 #32
quit being so coy to try and get a hide Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #37
I was a kid during nafta and i am undecided on tpp bravenak Feb 2016 #39
says it all... islandmkl Feb 2016 #53
well I was not Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #60
So have I and I've been a registered Dem for ages now. phleshdef Feb 2016 #12
If the truth be known fredamae Feb 2016 #34
No, that is bullshit. Since entering Congress he has cali Feb 2016 #62
It's called 180 bravenak Feb 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #3
still is really misleading Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #41
yeah...allows the D's to do all the heavy lifting...what a crock... islandmkl Feb 2016 #56
Damn straight yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #4
I can post a long article about how much Bernie loves the democratic party workinclasszero Feb 2016 #5
Please do, why hesitate and wait for an invitation? n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #23
First objectivity must enter the scene. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #50
Party Operatives vs. Grassroots, which side are you on? kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #9
Are you trying to tell me that Clinton misrepresents the truth? ladjf Feb 2016 #7
The voting with Hillary 92% of the time thing... scscholar Feb 2016 #8
He is loyal to the Democratic Party citizens, like me, millions of us..he is no shill and he Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #10
definitely so.... nt kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #46
Interesting when there is no response, twice. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #48
Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #31
You don't understand his appeal, do you? Neoliberal versus Liberal/Progressive policies. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #43
kick kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #47
Apparently he can. Gore1FL Feb 2016 #44
My big regret is that Bernie didn't run as an Independent. Vinca Feb 2016 #42
I understand. nt kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #45
... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #49
Yeah, his call for primary of a sitting Democratic Prez sure sounds like it. Hoyt Feb 2016 #51
When Bernie Sanders ran against me in Vermont Gothmog Feb 2016 #55
Then he should run as a Democratic for the Senate this year. Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #61
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
2. bull
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:28 PM
Feb 2016

He voted and caucused with the Democrats his entire career. Yes, he has had disagreements as we all should. Do you agree with these free trade agreements?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
18. How cowardly. I have no respect for intellectual cowardice.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016

Defend your position or stop posting.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
19. THe 'PArty" isn't the holy Sea
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

HE has caucused with Dems and Raised money for Dems and supported Dems AND

he has criticized the holy Party around when it needed to be. People with Guts do that, you know, speak truth to power.

The CLintons turned the Part into a puppet of the right-wing elites when they created the DLC. THey need a good ass-kickin'


 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
28. many Democrats were and are for
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

Chained CPI. Bernie has been against all trade deals. NAFTA is a good one to start with

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
35. I try not to borrow trouble
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

I have plenty to stress about rather than dwell on things that never happened

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
52. so it doesn't matter any more? you just exist in the moment apparently
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:56 PM
Feb 2016

thank god you were only ten and have lived with all the ramifications of NAFTA so you just think that is the way it has always been...

kind of an ostrich view of history....

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
57. mad? because of your posts?...no, I'm merely amused...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:29 PM
Feb 2016

like a cat playing with a piece of string....

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
59. so it happened
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:53 PM
Feb 2016

And Bernie was right in opposition to it. The Clinton's were in favor of it, destroyed many lives

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
29. no, the other ones too
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary said the TPP was the gold standard until she stuck a finger up and evolved.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
37. quit being so coy to try and get a hide
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

Read my posts, I pointed the main one out to you.

So are you for any of the trade agreements, signed or not?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
39. I was a kid during nafta and i am undecided on tpp
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:26 PM
Feb 2016

The rest of your post is confusing to say the least

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
12. So have I and I've been a registered Dem for ages now.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

The party has a shitty side. Deal with it.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
34. If the truth be known
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

it is likely Sanders has voted More reliably with the Dem Party over the years-than Many who call themselves Democrats.

I have been a Democrat-Proudly since 1959 and I certainly criticize them (you call it "trashing&quot Often and quite consistently since the early 1990's.
Further I voted for Clinton Twice, Supported TPP Wyden since 1996, and was 100% in the HRC camp in 2008.
Any Criticism ("trashing&quot of the Dem Party is well deserved, in 2016 imo. Especially after the Losses in 2010/2012/2014



 

cali

(114,904 posts)
62. No, that is bullshit. Since entering Congress he has
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:03 PM
Feb 2016

made but a handful of critical comments. And he didn't trash the party.

You have done one of the most amazing 360s I've ever seen. A remarkable and unexplained shift from liking Bernie and detesting Hillary, to the reverse.

But whatever, bravenak.



Response to kgnu_fan (Original post)

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
25. still is really misleading
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

He has caucused and supported the Democrats for decades, why did she leave that part out?

Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #25)

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
56. yeah...allows the D's to do all the heavy lifting...what a crock...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

i'm sure you have tons of examples of him taking credit/avoiding blame publicly because of something he sided with the Democrats on...

Response to kgnu_fan (Reply #6)

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
8. The voting with Hillary 92% of the time thing...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

shows he toes the party line...well, too much. The problem is actually the other way around.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
10. He is loyal to the Democratic Party citizens, like me, millions of us..he is no shill and he
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

will not lie. That is what some expect, give the bullshit cover...TPP for one.

The Obama as airbag Clinton is using is another cynical move on her
disgusting campaign. I do think Bernie should ask people when he meets
with them, do you feel I betrayed Obama as Clinton claimed when I spoke
out and what do you understand about my primary Obama statements.

I think he should take that approach to the most heavy Clinton supporting
communities. See what they think and then respond to them.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
31. Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016
Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns?
The long, troubled history of Bernie Sanders and the 'ideologically bankrupt' party whose White House nod he now seeks.

By MICHAEL KRUSE and MANU RAJU August 10, 2015

"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

Bernie Sanders, everybody—the same Bernie Sanders who is running to become the Democratic Party’s candidate for president of the United States.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
43. You don't understand his appeal, do you? Neoliberal versus Liberal/Progressive policies.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

New Democrats, like Clinton and NAFTA...neoliberals.

You undecided too about TPP? That sledgehammer should not be part of any
Democratic Party platform..most Democrats are against it too.

Bernie, thank goodness speaks out and he is straight forward about it.


Presidents are not Kings, not in the US anyway.

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
42. My big regret is that Bernie didn't run as an Independent.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

They might have appreciated how important his support has been over the years when half the Democrats abandon the party to vote for him. Instead, they're trashing him. I've been a Democrat all my voting life, but next time around I'll be reregistering as an Independent.

Gothmog

(145,303 posts)
55. When Bernie Sanders ran against me in Vermont
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

This Democratic governor of Vermont does not agree http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed

Hillary Clinton is not the first progressive Democratic woman to be challenged by Bernie Sanders. He ran against me in 1986 when I was running for my second term as governor of Vermont. At that time he had little affinity for the Democratic Party. When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans, saying: “It is absolutely fair to say you are dealing with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

The Tweedledum and Tweedledee comment is the same thing used by Nader several years later
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