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Tab

(11,093 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:33 PM Feb 2016

Bernie is claiming a delegate tie. Is he right?

Tab -

After a virtual tie in Iowa, a huge win in New Hampshire, and a close loss in Nevada, here's where Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders stand in the pledged delegates that will choose the Democratic nominee...

We're tied! Hillary and Bernie have 51 pledged delegates a piece.

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are tied in pledged delegates

Not many people would have expected the race to be this tight. There are 26 more caucuses and primaries in the next three weeks, including South Carolina this Saturday and eleven states on Super Tuesday.

Momentum is on our side, and with your help, we can break this tie to win the Democratic nomination and the White House.

Make a $70 contribution to Bernie right now to send a message that our movement has what it takes to win. People should not underestimate us.

Let's win.

In solidarity,

Jeff Weaver
Campaign Manager
Bernie 2016


I think he's referring to (actually he admitted) pledged delegates. Superdelegates are, by nature, AFAIK, unpledged, and I think this is where she whips him, however - by their very nature - they could easily go for Bernie.







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Bernie is claiming a delegate tie. Is he right? (Original Post) Tab Feb 2016 OP
He is right. The only delegates which cannot change at this point, the pledged delegates morningfog Feb 2016 #1
Yes he's right. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #2
I believe that is correct. Skinner Feb 2016 #3
51 each is correct. And Bernie received ~274,240 votes to Hillary's ~222,741 votes, total. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #4
That part is HillDawg Feb 2016 #7
You're correct, Hilldawg. Sanders received about ~274,240 votes. Clinton: ~222,741 votes. w4rma Feb 2016 #12
Yep, correct. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #6
The poutrage is strong in this one. Fearless Feb 2016 #11
This fundraising letter has a short shelf life... brooklynite Feb 2016 #8
He's correct. n/t Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #9
He is correct. 51-51 Fearless Feb 2016 #10
Bernie is grasping at straws calguy Feb 2016 #13
It's a fact. He's not just claiming it. cui bono Feb 2016 #14
Yes, they are tied. Beacool Feb 2016 #15
In pledged delegates yes, but a few things to keep in mind: Chichiri Feb 2016 #16
for six more days he is nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #17
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. He is right. The only delegates which cannot change at this point, the pledged delegates
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

are 51 apiece. It's a tie.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
4. 51 each is correct. And Bernie received ~274,240 votes to Hillary's ~222,741 votes, total. (nt)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016
 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
12. You're correct, Hilldawg. Sanders received about ~274,240 votes. Clinton: ~222,741 votes.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

Votes cast in Iowa: ~171,000 Sanders: 49.6% ~84,816; Clinton: 49.9% ~85,329
Votes cast in New Hampshire: Sanders: 60.4% 151,584; Clinton: 38.0% 95,252
Votes cast in Nevada: ~80,000 Sanders: 47.3% ~37840; Clinton: 52.7% ~42160

Response to Tab (Original post)

brooklynite

(94,596 posts)
8. This fundraising letter has a short shelf life...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:38 PM
Feb 2016

After SC (which Sanders appears to have bailed on) the pledged delegate numbers will be solidly in Hillary's corner.

calguy

(5,313 posts)
13. Bernie is grasping at straws
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

trying to feed anything positive to his supporters. I think he knows it's going to be slipping away after Saturday and even more so after March 1.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
14. It's a fact. He's not just claiming it.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

In 2008 Hillary had a lot of the superdelgates' support until Obama started winning and showed his viability, at which point they switched to Obama.

At this point the delegates are split and Bernie has more of the popular vote. If this continues and the superdelegates go against the popular vote to tip this to Hillary there will be a revolt and fracture in this party that will not be overcome for the GE. Especially now that we've learned many of them are Lobbyists.

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Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
16. In pledged delegates yes, but a few things to keep in mind:
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

First, the actual delegate count, including superdelegates, is 502 to 70. Bernie fans don't want to consider superdelegates, for obvious reasons, but they do count.

Second, one of the delegates from Nevada has yet to be allocated, so Bernie could end up one delegate ahead of Hillary when that's done. Or one delegate behind.

Third, looking at the demographics of each state, the expectation was that Bernie would win Iowa by at least 6 points, win New Hampshire by at least 29, and only lose Nevada by 3 or less (that's according to Nate Silver's report). Instead, he lost by a hair in Iowa, won by only 22 points in New Hampshire, and lost Nevada by 5. So when you just look at the numbers, it's a tie, but when you actually analyze them, he's solidly behind.

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