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Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:40 PM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders is not a panacea, but he's absolutely our only hope.

People interested in the future listen to Gar Alperovitz, author of What Then Must We Do? and director of the New Systems Project. From a recent interview with "Too Much" http://toomuchonline.org/


The winner will likely face a Republican Congress that won’t let the new administration do anything. So, at the political level, the new President would have to do what Harry Truman did in the years right before the 1948 election: run against the Republican “do nothing” Congress, something Obama did not do.

Secondly, the new President would have to build a political movement, and Bernie certainly understands the need to do that. After his election, Obama essentially dismantled the grassroots movement that elected him.

These steps, of course, would not change the reality the new President would face next January. The new President would still be facing a Republican Congress that’s not going to let the new administration pass major legislation.

But the new administration would have options.

Worker-owned companies, after all, are businesses, and the business community has been very good at getting lots of different regulations and programs in place that help business, everything from small business loans to economic development grants. By administrative authority, and without having to go to Congress, the new President could use these existing programs to build up a new infrastructure of institutions friendly to more democratic enterprise.


Bernie Sanders is the only candidate even considered by future thinkers, and even then he's a necessary first step. When I read the racially divisive crap on DU I just get so sad.



http://toomuchonline.org/do-we-really-need-a-billionaire-class/
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Bernie Sanders is not a panacea, but he's absolutely our only hope. (Original Post) Ron Green Feb 2016 OP
K&R..... daleanime Feb 2016 #1
I agree completely. yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #2
So if Bernie is the ONLY hope and he loses, what's next? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #3
Disaster, chaos, oblivion... immoderate Feb 2016 #8
Cali, you are right . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #30
My answer to that would depend upon Hillary Clinton's Ron Green Feb 2016 #31
Bernie and his coattails rather. The ones Clinton doesn't have? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #37
K&R kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #4
-1, if the "our" you're talking about is the establishment in the DNC you MIGHT have a point but uponit7771 Feb 2016 #5
Sorry, I don't understand your post. Ron Green Feb 2016 #23
Blacks, gays, women, Hispanics, non white millennials, and non white poor ... aka the marginalized uponit7771 Feb 2016 #43
Hmm...that may the most skewed and mistaken thing Ron Green Feb 2016 #44
The choices are obvious Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #6
A most excellent analogy. hifiguy Feb 2016 #25
K&R nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #7
Oh, yaa alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #9
Ireally should have read all the responses before posting. stevenleser Feb 2016 #19
Ayup. AzDar Feb 2016 #10
Yes. Once in a generation candidate. Just in time for saving the planet. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #11
to be fair forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #12
Oh yes, I meant "save the planet for us." nt thereismore Feb 2016 #13
I love the smell of George Carlin in the morning! nt Lucky Luciano Feb 2016 #15
"The Planet is Fine. FiveGoodMen Feb 2016 #35
I KNEW i got that from somewhere nt forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #42
Many Many Thanks SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #14
K & R!!! Thespian2 Feb 2016 #16
oh, ffs bigtree Feb 2016 #17
+1 bravenak Feb 2016 #27
Are you responding to the Alperovitz interview? If so, what is your Ron Green Feb 2016 #28
I disagree. That designation has been taken stevenleser Feb 2016 #18
My point, if you really didn't get it, is that no other candidate in this cycle Ron Green Feb 2016 #26
Bernie has the soul of a first responder GoldenMean Feb 2016 #20
Vermonters are so lucky to have Bernie. democrank Feb 2016 #21
Welcome to DU, GoldenMean democrank Feb 2016 #22
yea...whatever.....n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #38
Pithy platitudipus Feb 2016 #40
He is the last train out of town, hifiguy Feb 2016 #24
He's not our only hope shawn703 Feb 2016 #29
If you folks think that the election of any one candidate . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #32
Did you read the interview? Ron Green Feb 2016 #33
From my experience of 74 years state and local officials listen jwirr Feb 2016 #39
Sorry but i can not vote for... Cryptoad Feb 2016 #34
I think you kind of missed his whole point for not taking money... platitudipus Feb 2016 #41
My daughter just asked me to remind everyone that it is not jwirr Feb 2016 #36
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. So if Bernie is the ONLY hope and he loses, what's next?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

Shouldn't Democrats also focus on Congressional races as well as state and local government races?

Or....is it all Bernie or nothing?

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
30. Cali, you are right . .
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:02 PM
Feb 2016

I'm amazed and disheartened at all the Bernie backers
(including in my area) who are COMPLETELY ignoring
local and state races.

It is as if they are no idea whatsoever what a "political
revolution" sctually involves.

It reminds me of the "personalismo" that one sees to
such ill effect in Latin American politics.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
31. My answer to that would depend upon Hillary Clinton's
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:04 PM
Feb 2016

statements about the oligarchy, worker-directed enterprises, shared ownership, public banks, and other issues of a new economy.

I haven't heard it from her yet.

To be fair, Alperovitz says that Bernie is still more "old left" in his approach, although defusing "socialism" as a toxic term has been hugely important.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
37. Bernie and his coattails rather. The ones Clinton doesn't have?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016

In fact, her coattails are net negative. She's a GE disaster waiting to happen. She will never be president. She is unelectable.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
5. -1, if the "our" you're talking about is the establishment in the DNC you MIGHT have a point but
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:44 PM
Feb 2016

... HRC tried that in 08 and lost cause the marginalized in the DNC out weight the establishment in votes.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
43. Blacks, gays, women, Hispanics, non white millennials, and non white poor ... aka the marginalized
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:38 PM
Feb 2016

... in society are heavy towards HRC.

The less to non-marginalized (aka the DNC establishment) are heavy towards Sanders...

If the OP is talking about "our" being the establishment ... then they're right

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
44. Hmm...that may the most skewed and mistaken thing
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

I've ever seen posted.

If we don't reject the kind of divisiveness you seem to be advocating, we might as well just accept the Republican dystopia.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
6. The choices are obvious
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

The time for radical change is now. And it is our last chance. The reality is that this country is hurtling toward the abyss at 60 mph with a hundred feet to go. We have a choice of two drivers:

One will gently apply the brakes, and drive us over the edge at a more restrained 45 mph.

The other will jam on the brakes and slam the transmission into reverse.

The rest of the country will pick between one of these two, and a driver who will stomp the accelerator, hit the nitrous booster and light the JATO rockets.

Of these three choices, only one driver has any chance of keeping the country alive. The other two mean certain death.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
12. to be fair
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

the planet will most likely go on, climate change or no climate change. Earth's had quite a few mass extinctions and she always recovers eventually.

this is more about saving *us*.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
17. oh, ffs
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

..this, from supposedly serious people.

Not even your own candidate would mouth this nonsense.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
26. My point, if you really didn't get it, is that no other candidate in this cycle
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

(and none up to this point in our history) has been willing to identify the oligarchy as the problem it is. Your candidate will not move forward on the fronts Alperovitz talks about in the piece. What is her plan for moving into a new economy?

 

GoldenMean

(49 posts)
20. Bernie has the soul of a first responder
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

When he immediately rushed into action to help the man who had fainted, I saw his true colors.
Some people watch things happen
Some people wonder what happened
Some people make things happen
Bernie has the courage to make things happen

democrank

(11,096 posts)
21. Vermonters are so lucky to have Bernie.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

He has proven his worth many times over. I`m really glad he`s trying to help people out all across this country. An authentic, caring person.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. He is the last train out of town,
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

and that is beyond question. The only difference between HRH and the Repigs, economically speaking, is how rapidly we frogs will be boiled.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
29. He's not our only hope
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:59 PM
Feb 2016

He's had a big impact. Even if he loses, he scores a big win for the left wing. This was a guy the establishment was poo-pooing when he first announced. The Democratic Party now understands there is quite a large voter base they could tap into if they ran on progressive ideas rather than running as "sane Republicans".

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
32. If you folks think that the election of any one candidate . .
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

will solve your problems, you are sadly mistaken and headed for a fall.

The political revolution will cause nary a ripple unless it is forcefully
backed up by thousands of state and local elected officials.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
39. From my experience of 74 years state and local officials listen
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

a hell of a lot better than the establishment. That is why many things are already happening from the bottom up.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
34. Sorry but i can not vote for...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

someone who doesnt have enough sense to realize that Citizens United can only be reversed by SCOTUS, not by losing bc they are unilaterally refusing Corp money that is available to all candidates if they want it.

 

platitudipus

(64 posts)
41. I think you kind of missed his whole point for not taking money...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

and Citizens United can also be overturned with a constitutional amendment.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
36. My daughter just asked me to remind everyone that it is not
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016

an option to not vote. And she was talking about the down ticket in the general. Getting progressive senators and representatives into congress is part of the revolution. The more the better. We need to build this revolution from the bottom up. Electing Bernie would really push that agenda ahead but if that cannot happen then we still have a job to do in this election - secure the down ticket as much as possible.

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