2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is not a panacea, but he's absolutely our only hope.
People interested in the future listen to Gar Alperovitz, author of What Then Must We Do? and director of the New Systems Project. From a recent interview with "Too Much" http://toomuchonline.org/
The winner will likely face a Republican Congress that wont let the new administration do anything. So, at the political level, the new President would have to do what Harry Truman did in the years right before the 1948 election: run against the Republican do nothing Congress, something Obama did not do.
Secondly, the new President would have to build a political movement, and Bernie certainly understands the need to do that. After his election, Obama essentially dismantled the grassroots movement that elected him.
These steps, of course, would not change the reality the new President would face next January. The new President would still be facing a Republican Congress thats not going to let the new administration pass major legislation.
But the new administration would have options.
Worker-owned companies, after all, are businesses, and the business community has been very good at getting lots of different regulations and programs in place that help business, everything from small business loans to economic development grants. By administrative authority, and without having to go to Congress, the new President could use these existing programs to build up a new infrastructure of institutions friendly to more democratic enterprise.
Bernie Sanders is the only candidate even considered by future thinkers, and even then he's a necessary first step. When I read the racially divisive crap on DU I just get so sad.
http://toomuchonline.org/do-we-really-need-a-billionaire-class/
daleanime
(17,796 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Shouldn't Democrats also focus on Congressional races as well as state and local government races?
Or....is it all Bernie or nothing?
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Humanity must end sometime. Why not take charge of our destiny?
--imm
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)I'm amazed and disheartened at all the Bernie backers
(including in my area) who are COMPLETELY ignoring
local and state races.
It is as if they are no idea whatsoever what a "political
revolution" sctually involves.
It reminds me of the "personalismo" that one sees to
such ill effect in Latin American politics.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)statements about the oligarchy, worker-directed enterprises, shared ownership, public banks, and other issues of a new economy.
I haven't heard it from her yet.
To be fair, Alperovitz says that Bernie is still more "old left" in his approach, although defusing "socialism" as a toxic term has been hugely important.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)In fact, her coattails are net negative. She's a GE disaster waiting to happen. She will never be president. She is unelectable.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... HRC tried that in 08 and lost cause the marginalized in the DNC out weight the establishment in votes.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)Could you clarify that for me?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... in society are heavy towards HRC.
The less to non-marginalized (aka the DNC establishment) are heavy towards Sanders...
If the OP is talking about "our" being the establishment ... then they're right
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)I've ever seen posted.
If we don't reject the kind of divisiveness you seem to be advocating, we might as well just accept the Republican dystopia.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)The time for radical change is now. And it is our last chance. The reality is that this country is hurtling toward the abyss at 60 mph with a hundred feet to go. We have a choice of two drivers:
One will gently apply the brakes, and drive us over the edge at a more restrained 45 mph.
The other will jam on the brakes and slam the transmission into reverse.
The rest of the country will pick between one of these two, and a driver who will stomp the accelerator, hit the nitrous booster and light the JATO rockets.
Of these three choices, only one driver has any chance of keeping the country alive. The other two mean certain death.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Well played.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Well done though!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)the planet will most likely go on, climate change or no climate change. Earth's had quite a few mass extinctions and she always recovers eventually.
this is more about saving *us*.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)The People are Fucked"
Yup.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)One sure way to get a Repukkkian president is for the Dems to nominate the 1%er...
bigtree
(85,998 posts)..this, from supposedly serious people.
Not even your own candidate would mouth this nonsense.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)concern? Be serious, now.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Ron Green
(9,822 posts)(and none up to this point in our history) has been willing to identify the oligarchy as the problem it is. Your candidate will not move forward on the fronts Alperovitz talks about in the piece. What is her plan for moving into a new economy?
GoldenMean
(49 posts)When he immediately rushed into action to help the man who had fainted, I saw his true colors.
Some people watch things happen
Some people wonder what happened
Some people make things happen
Bernie has the courage to make things happen
democrank
(11,096 posts)He has proven his worth many times over. I`m really glad he`s trying to help people out all across this country. An authentic, caring person.
democrank
(11,096 posts)~PEACE~
~LOVE~
~BERNIE~
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)platitudipus
(64 posts)n/t
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and that is beyond question. The only difference between HRH and the Repigs, economically speaking, is how rapidly we frogs will be boiled.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)He's had a big impact. Even if he loses, he scores a big win for the left wing. This was a guy the establishment was poo-pooing when he first announced. The Democratic Party now understands there is quite a large voter base they could tap into if they ran on progressive ideas rather than running as "sane Republicans".
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)will solve your problems, you are sadly mistaken and headed for a fall.
The political revolution will cause nary a ripple unless it is forcefully
backed up by thousands of state and local elected officials.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)What did you think about these ideas?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)a hell of a lot better than the establishment. That is why many things are already happening from the bottom up.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)someone who doesnt have enough sense to realize that Citizens United can only be reversed by SCOTUS, not by losing bc they are unilaterally refusing Corp money that is available to all candidates if they want it.
platitudipus
(64 posts)and Citizens United can also be overturned with a constitutional amendment.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)an option to not vote. And she was talking about the down ticket in the general. Getting progressive senators and representatives into congress is part of the revolution. The more the better. We need to build this revolution from the bottom up. Electing Bernie would really push that agenda ahead but if that cannot happen then we still have a job to do in this election - secure the down ticket as much as possible.