2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan I ask if you see a trend here?
Thursday, February 18
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Trump 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton FOX News Cruz 46, Clinton 45 Cruz +1
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton FOX News Rubio 48, Clinton 44 Rubio +4
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 45, Bush 46 Bush +1
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Kasich 47, Clinton 44 Kasich +3
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 53, Trump 38 Sanders +15
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 44, Trump 43 Clinton +1
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Cruz 46, Clinton 43 Cruz +3
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Rubio 48, Clinton 41 Rubio +7
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Kasich 47, Clinton 39 Kasich +8
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 43, Bush 44 Bush +1
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 48, Trump 42 Sanders +6
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Cruz 39 Sanders +10
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 47, Rubio 41 Sanders +6
General Election: Kasich vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 45, Kasich 41 Sanders +4
General Election: Bush vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Bush 39. Sanders +10
Can you find a SINGLE Dem vs. GOP matchup in which Clinton outperforms Sanders?
Answer: No.
THAT is the issue here folks.
ETA: Link http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/
Apologies, iPad somehow posted before I finished formatting. Conclusion still the same.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)They don't care what the evidence is.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Fact is, there is mounting evidence that it is Hillary supporters putting the Supreme Court, down ticket races, etc. at risk, not us.
Further evidence that voters will pick the genuine Republican over the fake one everytime.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)2009
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
Just Saying the DLC/#rd Way is taking the entire party down the same path. Bernie is THE alternative.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)They are the ones controlling the media messaging that is denying Sanders any positive or even neutral coverage.
panader0
(25,816 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)They only want to continue the same path set by Bill Clinton's Third Way approach to dismantling this country ever so steadily. They are a very determined and close minded group who occupy the center-right of this party up to the moderate right of the Republican Party.
That is why any dialogue or communication with them is not only useless but also destructive to the liberal and progressive efforts we are focused on.
The time will be better spent addressing the uninformed rather than the misinformed.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)also, Sanders hasn't taken any solid punches from the rightwing or the media on his taxing and spending plans.
If Sanders fans think Paul Krugman is a big meanie, they are in for a world of hurt when the Republican noise machine repeats "$14 Trillion in new taxes for hardworking Americans" and "he wants to take away your employer-sponsored health care without giving you a choice."
Or, another soundbite they'll use is "$47,000 in NEW taxes for every man, woman, and child alive."
Those poll numbers WILL move when that happens.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)She will be a drag on Dems everywhere...
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)She has by far the least favorable numbers of any Democrat ever to run and win (possibly the most negative of any that ever ran for the office period, I will have to fact check that bit.)
An extremely high percentage of Americans consider her untrustworthy, that's right, a very large percentage of Americans think she is a flaming liar. Plus she is a relentlessly war hungry neocon of the highest order.
She is being beaten by those polls because she actually is the unelectable candidate (regardless of that false reverse meme being put out by an army of paid shills)
Sanders on the other hand you will find win those match up polls, the simple reason is that unlike her, he is electable!
It's because his policies are sound, he is not out to shed blood if any peaceful means can be found not to, and because he is both honest in his consistency and consistently honest and as such he can actually win in a General Election
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)These poll numbers are just about insignificant. Tell me, how do they represent anything when we are talking about one person who has just started to be vetted outside of the state of Vermont? These polls cater to LIV's and are significant in readership of corporate media only.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)No one can make the case that these polls are worth anything. The reason you went with a deflection over that of an argument of the veracity of these polls come GE voting time.
olddots
(10,237 posts)To selectable untill money is taken out politics and politics is taken out of money .