2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBill Clinton Apologizes for His Role in America's Prison Epidemic
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a36476/bill-clinton-apologizes-sentencing-laws/"I signed a bill that made the problem worse. And I want to admit it,"
Clinton said at the 106th NAACP National Convention, which concluded Wednesday
in Philadelphia. "In that bill, there were longer sentences, and most of these
people are in prison under state law, but the federal law set a trend. And that
was overdone; we were wrong about that."
Now, I can be as cynical as the next fellow, even if the next fellow is Niccolo Machiavelli. Bill Clinton's wife is the prohibitive favorite in a Democratic presidential primary process that has shifted markedly to the left since the last time she ran in it, and certainly has done so since the last time he ran in it. So anyone can be forgiven if they believe that the former president is merely clearing his triangulations out of the way so that Hillary Rodham Clinton has a clearer road through the new politics of her party. Maybe this can become a weekly series; next week, the former president sends his regrets for having signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and for having signed into law the Commodities Futures Modifications Act, which he signed virtually as the moving vans were pulling up to the White House. The following week, why he insisted on a more punitive than necessary welfare "reform" measure that, once the economy cratered, made everybody's problems worse. The week after that, why he signed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which made the climate for civil liberties in this country worse, took the biggest whack at habeas corpus since Lincoln, and (arguably) provided the blueprint for all the horrors of the Patriot Act five years later. This could be a helluva series. MSNBC might even pre-empt episodes of Lockdown for it.
Nevertheless, Bill Clinton is possibly the only white politician alive who could go before the NAACP and apologize for having signed a law that codified the racial injustice that lies at the core of the country's mass incarceration problem and not be booed from hell to breakfast for it. He still occupies a very unique place in the political life of this country and, it appears, he's more ready than he was in 2008 to use his unique position to help elect his wife. In 2008, he was bungling around South Carolina, talking about Barack Obama and Jesse Jackson, and generally being foolish. Now, he's going before the NAACP and apologizing for having arranged for so many African Americans to get tossed into the hoosegow because it helped him get elected in 1996.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)peops
that was like a week ago
so this is lip service,nothing more
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)The cognitive triangulations that one has to do to vote for Hillary are just beyond comprehension...
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Bernie voted for the 1994 crime bill.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Bernie admitted that this is not a perfect bill, but he understood that certain parts of the bill were tremendously important. In particular, Bernie was passionate about passing the Violence Against Women Act, one of the key provisions of the Crime Bill. Bernie said at the time, I have a number of serious problems with the Crime Bill, but one part of it that I vigorously support is the Violence Against Women Act. We urgently need the $1.8 billion in this bill to combat the epidemic of violence against women on the streets and in the homes of America.
In the Hawai'i legislature, it is possible to vote kanaloa (yes, with reservations). I suspect Bernie would have voted kanaloa on the crime bill if he could have.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)Pick an issue your candidate is 99% wrong on. Can you find 1% to pin on your opponent to preemptively deflect? DO IT! DO IT NOW!
The problem for the Clintons is that it keeps backfiring. Even this apology - the main thing it will do is bring more focus to the fact the the Clinton white house was responsible for locking up so many people, in case younger voters were unaware of it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Mr. Speaker, let me begin with a profound remark: Two plus two equals four.
In other words, there is a logical and rational process called cause and effect. In terms of Newtonian physics, that means that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, Mr. Speaker, there are reasons why things happen, as controversial as that statement may be.
A farmer neglects to tend and care for his fieldsit is likely that the crop will fail.
A company neglects to invest in research and developmentit is likely that the company will not be profitable.
In a similar way, Mr. Speaker, a society which neglects, which oppresses and which disdains a very significant part of its populationwhich leaves them hungry, impoverished, unemployed, uneducated, and utterly without hope, will, through cause and effect, create a population which is bitter, which is angry, which is violent, and a society which is crime-ridden. This is the case in America, and it is the case in countries throughout the world.
Mr. Speaker, how do we talk about the very serious crime problem in America without mentioning that we have the highest rate of childhood poverty in the industrialized world, by far, with 22 percent of our children in poverty and 5 million who are hungry today? Do the Members think maybe that might have some relationship to crime? How do we talk about crime when this Congress is prepared, this year, to spend 11 times more for the military than for education; when 21 percent of our kids drop out of high school; when a recent study told us that twice as many young workers now earn poverty wages as 10 years ago; when the gap between the rich and the poor is wider, and when the rate of poverty continues to grow? Do the members think that might have some relationship to crime?
Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world, will not make that situation right. We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)They forget that bills originate in the House and the Senate and have to pass both houses before they wind up in front of the President to be signed into law. This bill passed both Houses with bipartisan support before it arrived on the Bill Clinton's desk to be signed. None of the representatives wanted to face being primaried because they were perceived as 'soft on crime'.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)i don't know why he bothes with this.it's not like majority of blacks are upset with clintons.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)how many lives and families have been destroyed and NOW he conveniently decides to express some triped up remorse?
and at the naacp meeting?????
be careful, the manure is making things very slippery,......
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It seems really heartless to have a bunch of campaign consultants look for a solution to what they see as a political problem for Hillary's campaign rather than as an injustice that destroyed families.
So, they decide to have Bill do a mea culpa to hopefully keep people from talking about Hillary's role. It's just more confirmation to me that people are just abstraction whose only relevance is what they can contribute to the Clinton's ambitions.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)" For in 1992, I worked for the Clinton campaign. And though employed in a minor capacity, word filtered down even to me that Bill Clinton intended to put to death a black man, as a way to "dog-whistle" to white racists that he knew how blacks should really be treated.
And so Bill Clinton put to death a black man, so mentally impaired that, when led to the death chamber, he left behind his pie, believing that, after his execution, he would return to consume it. In putting to death this black man, Clinton committed an act that, some 10 years later, the Republican-dominated US Supreme Court would rule occurred in clear violation of the United States Constitution.
No matter. His death helped Bill Clinton become president. That was all that mattered. "
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/22/520138/-
the entire kos entry is worth reading. but i would not recommend it before bed if you plan on sleeping.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)nt
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)is being able to fake it convincingly. I really fear for us.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)So it's not necessary to debate it.
Now we'll see how much black lives matter to black lives.
He still needs to address his and Hilly's role in creating the private prison industry, and all the money they have taken from it. I guess that part slipped his mind.
cali
(114,904 posts)Lots of days late and tens of millions of greedy dollars short.
Political opportunism and the Clintons go together like vegan bacon and scrambled tofu.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I hope they see right through this fake apology.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)i.e. Hillary calling her vote for Bush's wars a "mistake".
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Faux pas
(14,681 posts)it's too little too late.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)agracie
(950 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)IF he also apologized for welfare reform since that was the second punch thrown at the same families.
Ultimately it doesn't carry a whole lot of meaning since it's Hillary who is running and she hasn't apologized for stumping for those bills. And definitely not for using racially coded language to talk about children as if they were dogs.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)The Clintons seem to do that a lot. They are on the wrong side of an issue when it matters and when the political climate has changed, all of a sudden they "evolve" and apologize. Unlike Bernie who stands up under pressure and makes the right decision when it matters, when it isn't politically expedient.
Gutless again. . . .
What I can't understand is why people keep buying this nonsense. A steady 50 year history vs. blowing in the politically convenient winds.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)How many Americans know where, oh I don't know. let's say.... Göteborg.. is ?
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)I think it would endear Hillary to the public a bit more if she just owned up to her past mistakes. "Yeah, I did these things. Sometimes I actually thought they would work out better than they did. Other times I felt pressured by the political system to go along. I'm sorry, but I'm running for President because I've learned from my mistakes. I won't be perfect, but I remember who got me here and will fight to make this awful system a bit better. I won't apologize for playing the game, but I do apologize that the game is so awful."
agracie
(950 posts)Certainly seems to be fooling some of the people some of the time...<aarghh>
pangaia
(24,324 posts)You're apologizing because your wife is running for president.
JESUS !!!!!!!
He ain't 'slick' at all.
Some people are just too stupid to see through his shit.
The gall. The unmitigated gall of these two people is just beyond belief !!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)That would be YUGE!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she supposedly stopped taking their money late last year, as the optics were not good. a cynical rendering would be that she knew she needed support of poc and knew that his would be a huge stinkbomb.
i honestly don't see it as being less of a stinkbomb. it is clear she is refusing the money only temporarily to pander to minority populations who suffered under her husbands draconian presidency
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/23/3715544/clinton-private-prisons/
Private Prison Corporations Stand with Hillary Clinton
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/23/1405229/-Private-Prison-Corporations-Stand-With-Hillary-Clinton
Hillarys Best Bundlers Lobby For Big Pharma, Private Prisons, And Anti-Obamacare Health Insurers
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/01/hillarys-best-bundlers-lobby-for-big-pharma-private-prisons-and-anti-obamacare-health-insurers/
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)cannot be compensated for by a simple apology.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Any word about an apology regarding UBS, Phil Gramm and Glass Steagall?