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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:45 PM Feb 2016

Bill Clinton Apologizes for His Role in America's Prison Epidemic

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a36476/bill-clinton-apologizes-sentencing-laws/

Something fairly remarkable happened at the annual convention of the NAACP on Wednesday. A former president apologized for having done something that helped ensure his re-election, but that turned out to be hopelessly bad public policy.

"I signed a bill that made the problem worse. And I want to admit it,"
Clinton said at the 106th NAACP National Convention, which concluded Wednesday
in Philadelphia. "In that bill, there were longer sentences, and most of these
people are in prison under state law, but the federal law set a trend. And that
was overdone; we were wrong about that."

Now, I can be as cynical as the next fellow, even if the next fellow is Niccolo Machiavelli. Bill Clinton's wife is the prohibitive favorite in a Democratic presidential primary process that has shifted markedly to the left since the last time she ran in it, and certainly has done so since the last time he ran in it. So anyone can be forgiven if they believe that the former president is merely clearing his triangulations out of the way so that Hillary Rodham Clinton has a clearer road through the new politics of her party. Maybe this can become a weekly series; next week, the former president sends his regrets for having signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and for having signed into law the Commodities Futures Modifications Act, which he signed virtually as the moving vans were pulling up to the White House. The following week, why he insisted on a more punitive than necessary welfare "reform" measure that, once the economy cratered, made everybody's problems worse. The week after that, why he signed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which made the climate for civil liberties in this country worse, took the biggest whack at habeas corpus since Lincoln, and (arguably) provided the blueprint for all the horrors of the Patriot Act five years later. This could be a helluva series. MSNBC might even pre-empt episodes of Lockdown for it.

Nevertheless, Bill Clinton is possibly the only white politician alive who could go before the NAACP and apologize for having signed a law that codified the racial injustice that lies at the core of the country's mass incarceration problem and not be booed from hell to breakfast for it. He still occupies a very unique place in the political life of this country and, it appears, he's more ready than he was in 2008 to use his unique position to help elect his wife. In 2008, he was bungling around South Carolina, talking about Barack Obama and Jesse Jackson, and generally being foolish. Now, he's going before the NAACP and apologizing for having arranged for so many African Americans to get tossed into the hoosegow because it helped him get elected in 1996.
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Bill Clinton Apologizes for His Role in America's Prison Epidemic (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
I wonder what he tells his cronies in otehr venues. Armstead Feb 2016 #1
we know that Chelsea was just "worried" because bernie said he did not want to lock up non violent questionseverything Feb 2016 #16
How Much Do People Need To See The TRUTH In This Machine Called Clinton Incorporated? CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #42
Has Bernie apologized for his role? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #2
This again? KamaAina Feb 2016 #6
Did he offer any amendments to make the bill better? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2016 #13
I would just ignore the Rove tactics noamnety Feb 2016 #17
I second this! bravenak Feb 2016 #8
This is what Sanders has said notadmblnd Feb 2016 #10
His supporters just choose to gloss over that fact. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #39
how about apolgzing for calling all sanders supports the tea party Robbins Feb 2016 #3
well bless his heart restorefreedom Feb 2016 #4
This is kind of chilling loyalsister Feb 2016 #20
yup. and i left out the part about ricky ray rector, if you want chilling restorefreedom Feb 2016 #21
How anyone with the slightest bit of compassion can support Clinton escapes me loyalsister Feb 2016 #35
i hear ya. it has to be some willful blindness. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #37
but they still send Chelsea out to scare people about Bernie's plan to reduce the prison population tk2kewl Feb 2016 #24
The only thing worse than having no remorse loyalsister Feb 2016 #25
"I feel your pain" tk2kewl Feb 2016 #26
Bingo....!!!! pangaia Feb 2016 #31
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #32
He admitted it. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #5
Wow. This just occurred to brilliant Bill? cali Feb 2016 #7
Now vote for my wife Politicalboi Feb 2016 #9
Gosh! That's mighty big of him. The need for political expedience can be humbling. I'm touched. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #11
20 years too late, old man. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #12
Too bad Faux pas Feb 2016 #14
Bill has a reason for apologizing. I'm sure we'll find out what it is soon. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #15
I think we already have. KamaAina Feb 2016 #18
Yep. You can take it to the bank. For sure. n/t agracie Feb 2016 #29
It might mean something to me loyalsister Feb 2016 #19
Surprise, surprise. pdsimdars Feb 2016 #22
The intentional dumbing down and blinding of the American population. pangaia Feb 2016 #40
I'm fine with him apologizing DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #23
Oh, gag me with a spoon... shameless, just shameless... agracie Feb 2016 #27
Fuck that, Clinton. pangaia Feb 2016 #28
But he's not sorry he and his wife are cashing checks from the private prison industry. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #30
??? Do tell! KamaAina Feb 2016 #33
until late fall, the profit prison industry was a big donor piece of the clinton campaign restorefreedom Feb 2016 #36
She's been shamed into stopping acceptance of their money, but her best bundlers lobby for them. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #38
Ruining people's and their families lives by imprisoning them and killing them in illegal wars Live and Learn Feb 2016 #34
If it would help get me back on Air Force One, I'd admit it, too. Octafish Feb 2016 #41

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
16. we know that Chelsea was just "worried" because bernie said he did not want to lock up non violent
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

peops

that was like a week ago

so this is lip service,nothing more

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
42. How Much Do People Need To See The TRUTH In This Machine Called Clinton Incorporated?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:52 PM
Feb 2016

The cognitive triangulations that one has to do to vote for Hillary are just beyond comprehension...

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. This again?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511199494

If Bernie was so against this bill, why did he vote for it?

Bernie admitted that “this is not a perfect bill”, but he understood that certain parts of the bill were tremendously important. In particular, Bernie was passionate about passing the Violence Against Women Act, one of the key provisions of the Crime Bill. Bernie said at the time, “I have a number of serious problems with the Crime Bill, but one part of it that I vigorously support is the Violence Against Women Act. We urgently need the $1.8 billion in this bill to combat the epidemic of violence against women on the streets and in the homes of America.”


In the Hawai'i legislature, it is possible to vote kanaloa (yes, with reservations). I suspect Bernie would have voted kanaloa on the crime bill if he could have.
 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
17. I would just ignore the Rove tactics
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

Pick an issue your candidate is 99% wrong on. Can you find 1% to pin on your opponent to preemptively deflect? DO IT! DO IT NOW!

The problem for the Clintons is that it keeps backfiring. Even this apology - the main thing it will do is bring more focus to the fact the the Clinton white house was responsible for locking up so many people, in case younger voters were unaware of it.



notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
10. This is what Sanders has said
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016
[Congressional Record Volume 140, Number 39 (Wednesday, April 13, 1994)]

Mr. Speaker, let me begin with a profound remark: Two plus two equals four.

In other words, there is a logical and rational process called cause and effect. In terms of Newtonian physics, that means that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, Mr. Speaker, there are reasons why things happen, as controversial as that statement may be.

A farmer neglects to tend and care for his fields—it is likely that the crop will fail.

A company neglects to invest in research and development—it is likely that the company will not be profitable.

In a similar way, Mr. Speaker, a society which neglects, which oppresses and which disdains a very significant part of its population—which leaves them hungry, impoverished, unemployed, uneducated, and utterly without hope, will, through cause and effect, create a population which is bitter, which is angry, which is violent, and a society which is crime-ridden. This is the case in America, and it is the case in countries throughout the world.

Mr. Speaker, how do we talk about the very serious crime problem in America without mentioning that we have the highest rate of childhood poverty in the industrialized world, by far, with 22 percent of our children in poverty and 5 million who are hungry today? Do the Members think maybe that might have some relationship to crime? How do we talk about crime when this Congress is prepared, this year, to spend 11 times more for the military than for education; when 21 percent of our kids drop out of high school; when a recent study told us that twice as many young workers now earn poverty wages as 10 years ago; when the gap between the rich and the poor is wider, and when the rate of poverty continues to grow? Do the members think that might have some relationship to crime?

Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world, will not make that situation right. We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.
Congressional Record Volume 140, Number 39 (Wednesday, April 13, 1994)

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
39. His supporters just choose to gloss over that fact.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

They forget that bills originate in the House and the Senate and have to pass both houses before they wind up in front of the President to be signed into law. This bill passed both Houses with bipartisan support before it arrived on the Bill Clinton's desk to be signed. None of the representatives wanted to face being primaried because they were perceived as 'soft on crime'.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
3. how about apolgzing for calling all sanders supports the tea party
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

i don't know why he bothes with this.it's not like majority of blacks are upset with clintons.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
4. well bless his heart
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

how many lives and families have been destroyed and NOW he conveniently decides to express some triped up remorse?

and at the naacp meeting?????





be careful, the manure is making things very slippery,......

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
20. This is kind of chilling
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:26 PM
Feb 2016

It seems really heartless to have a bunch of campaign consultants look for a solution to what they see as a political problem for Hillary's campaign rather than as an injustice that destroyed families.
So, they decide to have Bill do a mea culpa to hopefully keep people from talking about Hillary's role. It's just more confirmation to me that people are just abstraction whose only relevance is what they can contribute to the Clinton's ambitions.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
21. yup. and i left out the part about ricky ray rector, if you want chilling
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:36 PM
Feb 2016

" For in 1992, I worked for the Clinton campaign. And though employed in a minor capacity, word filtered down even to me that Bill Clinton intended to put to death a black man, as a way to "dog-whistle" to white racists that he knew how blacks should really be treated.

And so Bill Clinton put to death a black man, so mentally impaired that, when led to the death chamber, he left behind his pie, believing that, after his execution, he would return to consume it. In putting to death this black man, Clinton committed an act that, some 10 years later, the Republican-dominated US Supreme Court would rule occurred in clear violation of the United States Constitution.

No matter. His death helped Bill Clinton become president. That was all that mattered. "


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/22/520138/-

the entire kos entry is worth reading. but i would not recommend it before bed if you plan on sleeping.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
24. but they still send Chelsea out to scare people about Bernie's plan to reduce the prison population
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
25. The only thing worse than having no remorse
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:23 PM
Feb 2016

is being able to fake it convincingly. I really fear for us.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
5. He admitted it.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

So it's not necessary to debate it.

Now we'll see how much black lives matter to black lives.

He still needs to address his and Hilly's role in creating the private prison industry, and all the money they have taken from it. I guess that part slipped his mind.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. Wow. This just occurred to brilliant Bill?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

Lots of days late and tens of millions of greedy dollars short.

Political opportunism and the Clintons go together like vegan bacon and scrambled tofu.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. Gosh! That's mighty big of him. The need for political expedience can be humbling. I'm touched.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

i.e. Hillary calling her vote for Bush's wars a "mistake".

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
18. I think we already have.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016
Bill Clinton's wife is the prohibitive favorite in a Democratic presidential primary process that has shifted markedly to the left since the last time she ran in it, and certainly has done so since the last time he ran in it. So anyone can be forgiven if they believe that the former president is merely clearing his triangulations out of the way so that Hillary Rodham Clinton has a clearer road through the new politics of her party.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
19. It might mean something to me
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

IF he also apologized for welfare reform since that was the second punch thrown at the same families.
Ultimately it doesn't carry a whole lot of meaning since it's Hillary who is running and she hasn't apologized for stumping for those bills. And definitely not for using racially coded language to talk about children as if they were dogs.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
22. Surprise, surprise.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:40 PM
Feb 2016

The Clintons seem to do that a lot. They are on the wrong side of an issue when it matters and when the political climate has changed, all of a sudden they "evolve" and apologize. Unlike Bernie who stands up under pressure and makes the right decision when it matters, when it isn't politically expedient.
Gutless again. . . .
What I can't understand is why people keep buying this nonsense. A steady 50 year history vs. blowing in the politically convenient winds.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
40. The intentional dumbing down and blinding of the American population.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

How many Americans know where, oh I don't know. let's say.... Göteborg.. is ?

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
23. I'm fine with him apologizing
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

I think it would endear Hillary to the public a bit more if she just owned up to her past mistakes. "Yeah, I did these things. Sometimes I actually thought they would work out better than they did. Other times I felt pressured by the political system to go along. I'm sorry, but I'm running for President because I've learned from my mistakes. I won't be perfect, but I remember who got me here and will fight to make this awful system a bit better. I won't apologize for playing the game, but I do apologize that the game is so awful."

agracie

(950 posts)
27. Oh, gag me with a spoon... shameless, just shameless...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:32 PM
Feb 2016

Certainly seems to be fooling some of the people some of the time...<aarghh>

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. Fuck that, Clinton.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:36 PM
Feb 2016

You're apologizing because your wife is running for president.


JESUS !!!!!!!

He ain't 'slick' at all.
Some people are just too stupid to see through his shit.


The gall. The unmitigated gall of these two people is just beyond belief !!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
36. until late fall, the profit prison industry was a big donor piece of the clinton campaign
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:48 PM
Feb 2016

she supposedly stopped taking their money late last year, as the optics were not good. a cynical rendering would be that she knew she needed support of poc and knew that his would be a huge stinkbomb.

i honestly don't see it as being less of a stinkbomb. it is clear she is refusing the money only temporarily to pander to minority populations who suffered under her husbands draconian presidency

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
38. She's been shamed into stopping acceptance of their money, but her best bundlers lobby for them.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:49 PM
Feb 2016
Clinton To Cut Ties With Private Prison Industry
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/23/3715544/clinton-private-prisons/

Private Prison Corporations Stand with Hillary Clinton
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/23/1405229/-Private-Prison-Corporations-Stand-With-Hillary-Clinton

Hillary’s Best Bundlers Lobby For Big Pharma, Private Prisons, And Anti-Obamacare Health Insurers
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/01/hillarys-best-bundlers-lobby-for-big-pharma-private-prisons-and-anti-obamacare-health-insurers/

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
34. Ruining people's and their families lives by imprisoning them and killing them in illegal wars
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

cannot be compensated for by a simple apology.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
41. If it would help get me back on Air Force One, I'd admit it, too.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

Any word about an apology regarding UBS, Phil Gramm and Glass Steagall?

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