2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumshep smith just lied on air. "clinton just opened up a huge lead in delegates"
and followed it up with "does bernie still have a path to the nomination?"
they are tied 51 51 in pledged delegates
he is including the endorsements by the supers, which may change and are not binding!
he used to be the only reasonable person on fox
i see the nomination of the republican preferred opponent is in full swing....
olddots
(10,237 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Of course that can change, no one is disputing that, but as it stands now, Clinton is way ahead. Not everything is a lie just because it's subject to interpretation.
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restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)he is obfuscating endorsements with delegstes, and i do believe it is intentional.
procon
(15,805 posts)It's one thing to yearn for a different outcome than the current data suggests, or even pine for a more favorable possibility, but when the circumstances fails to match your objective expectations, that does not translate into a "lie". Until the numbers actually support your assertions, we are left with nothing to mull over beyond your own untenable assumptions.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Nothing is gained by omitting the rest of the data, or by pushing the unsupported assumption those numbers will have any monumental shift, especially not at this early stage of the process.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)so pushing the idea that one is ahead of the other is disengenuous and inaccurate.
procon
(15,805 posts)Best of luck with the new math, though.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But it's not honest to assert they shouldn't be considered, either.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that right now, they are basically endorsements. if hillary wants to shout it out that so and so endorsed her, i have no problem with that. but the supers have a history of supporting the people's decision, and this year for some reason, the msm "forgets" to mention that. if we are lucky, they might mention that they can change their mind, but many don't mention that important tidbit.
i have no problem with discussing the supers. i DO have a problem with the msm pushing the falsehood that they are locked up votes and that she will win no matter what because of them.
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)If you count the super delegates, she's had that lead since before the first caucus.
If you don't count the super delegates, then they're tied.
So *if* that's exactly what he said, then either way, it's a lie.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)is it possible he said "hillary HAS opened up a huge lead......" its possible, but of course that would be a lie, too.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)which most "everyday americans"couldn't give a hoot about. they want to know their vote will matter.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)when clinton supporters say fox wants bernie to win.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That isn't saying much considering the company he keeps.
He has always had his orders and he follows them well.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)2044 Armacost Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90025
Fox News, Address
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)very thoughtful addition to the thread. NOT sarcasm
i did not know it was an LA address, interesting