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restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:28 PM Feb 2016

shep smith just lied on air. "clinton just opened up a huge lead in delegates"


and followed it up with "does bernie still have a path to the nomination?"

they are tied 51 51 in pledged delegates

he is including the endorsements by the supers, which may change and are not binding!

he used to be the only reasonable person on fox

i see the nomination of the republican preferred opponent is in full swing....
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shep smith just lied on air. "clinton just opened up a huge lead in delegates" (Original Post) restorefreedom Feb 2016 OP
thats why he is on Fox olddots Feb 2016 #1
With the endorsements CURRENTLY, yes, Clinton is way ahead. randome Feb 2016 #2
they are only endorsements until the convention. so yeah, he is lying. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #3
I can't support this kind of objective rant. procon Feb 2016 #10
51 51 tie in pledged delegates. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #11
That's only part of the story. procon Feb 2016 #13
most agree that they will support the winner of the people restorefreedom Feb 2016 #16
Selectively counting the numbers won't achieve your goal. procon Feb 2016 #18
its not new math. its just math. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #19
I won't say the SDs are a sure thing... Adrahil Feb 2016 #20
i think it should be made clear restorefreedom Feb 2016 #22
If he did indeed say that she JUST opened up a huge lead in delegates, then it's a lie. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #21
i thought i heard "just" restorefreedom Feb 2016 #23
They are reflective of current voting intent...like polls brooklynite Feb 2016 #14
only among the party elites restorefreedom Feb 2016 #17
remmeber that Robbins Feb 2016 #4
yup. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #5
Fox news lies. Shocks no one. Story on Fox at 11. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #6
lol. but at one time, smith tried to be unlike the rest. guess he has his orders. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #8
I think he is better than the rest at that network. Maybe not all. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #12
yes, its definitely a low bar for him given his cohorts. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #15
Here is the address for FOX NEWS so you can file a complaint DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #7
why, thank you dsb! restorefreedom Feb 2016 #9
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. With the endorsements CURRENTLY, yes, Clinton is way ahead.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:33 PM
Feb 2016

Of course that can change, no one is disputing that, but as it stands now, Clinton is way ahead. Not everything is a lie just because it's subject to interpretation.
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restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
3. they are only endorsements until the convention. so yeah, he is lying.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:34 PM
Feb 2016

he is obfuscating endorsements with delegstes, and i do believe it is intentional.

procon

(15,805 posts)
10. I can't support this kind of objective rant.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

It's one thing to yearn for a different outcome than the current data suggests, or even pine for a more favorable possibility, but when the circumstances fails to match your objective expectations, that does not translate into a "lie". Until the numbers actually support your assertions, we are left with nothing to mull over beyond your own untenable assumptions.

procon

(15,805 posts)
13. That's only part of the story.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

Nothing is gained by omitting the rest of the data, or by pushing the unsupported assumption those numbers will have any monumental shift, especially not at this early stage of the process.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
16. most agree that they will support the winner of the people
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

so pushing the idea that one is ahead of the other is disengenuous and inaccurate.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
20. I won't say the SDs are a sure thing...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:13 PM
Feb 2016

But it's not honest to assert they shouldn't be considered, either.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
22. i think it should be made clear
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:38 PM
Feb 2016

that right now, they are basically endorsements. if hillary wants to shout it out that so and so endorsed her, i have no problem with that. but the supers have a history of supporting the people's decision, and this year for some reason, the msm "forgets" to mention that. if we are lucky, they might mention that they can change their mind, but many don't mention that important tidbit.

i have no problem with discussing the supers. i DO have a problem with the msm pushing the falsehood that they are locked up votes and that she will win no matter what because of them.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
21. If he did indeed say that she JUST opened up a huge lead in delegates, then it's a lie.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

If you count the super delegates, she's had that lead since before the first caucus.
If you don't count the super delegates, then they're tied.

So *if* that's exactly what he said, then either way, it's a lie.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
23. i thought i heard "just"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:40 PM
Feb 2016

is it possible he said "hillary HAS opened up a huge lead......" its possible, but of course that would be a lie, too.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
17. only among the party elites
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:32 PM
Feb 2016

which most "everyday americans"couldn't give a hoot about. they want to know their vote will matter.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. I think he is better than the rest at that network. Maybe not all.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

That isn't saying much considering the company he keeps.

He has always had his orders and he follows them well.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. Here is the address for FOX NEWS so you can file a complaint
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

2044 Armacost Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90025
Fox News, Address

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
9. why, thank you dsb!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016

very thoughtful addition to the thread. NOT sarcasm


i did not know it was an LA address, interesting

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