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Beacool

(30,250 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:59 PM Feb 2016

Remember This Moment When Bernie Sanders is Courting Black Voters This Week

by Tommy Christopher
February 22nd, 2016

Ever since the dust settled from Bernie Sanders‘ blowout victory over Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire Democratic primary, both candidates have been pushing anew to connect with black voters in South Carolina, a push that will intensify this week. It’s been a seesaw battle featuring high-profile endorsements on both sides, hard-hitting attacks, and examinations of each candidates’ record.

Sanders has suffered from the impression that issues of importance to black voters and other marginalized groups are mere side dishes on his menu of “Millionaires and Billionaires” entreés, while Hillary Clinton has some residual trust issues to make up for with black voters. Over the weekend, Bernie Sanders provided some clarity on the former count.

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That’s right, with mere days remaining before the South Carolina primary, and given the opportunity to list policy priorities that extend beyond millionaires and billionaires rigging the system, Sanders demonstrated that none of the issues which have animated black voters make the cut. Yes, Bernie holds pretty much all the right positions, but continues to hold them subordinate to his broader “colorblind” agenda.

By contrast, Hillary Clinton has made issues like police accountability, criminal justice reform, and voting rights the cornerstone of her campaign since it began, while doing her best to repair the damage from her 2008 campaign against Barack Obama. She didn’t have to be shamed into rolling out a racial justice platform, she woke up with one.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/remember-this-moment-when-bernie-sanders-is-courting-black-voters-this-week/

Sanders thinks that his agenda would benefit all, regardless of race. That may be so, but only up to a point. Race issues are far more complex than just a lack of employment and educational opportunities. After all, there are plenty of Latino and AA people who are well educated and make a good living who are still discriminated against. Since Sunday is the Oscars, let's look at that for a moment. Why aren't there any POC this year among the nominees? It's surely not a question of income inequality. Sanders seems to mean well, but still doesn't comprehend that even if everyone in the country had good paying jobs, free college and single payer became law, racism would still exist. Hillary gets it, Sanders doesn't.

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Remember This Moment When Bernie Sanders is Courting Black Voters This Week (Original Post) Beacool Feb 2016 OP
Tunnel Vision bravenak Feb 2016 #1
His "street corner" phrasing is still disturbing to me. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #10
I have not gotten over it yet bravenak Feb 2016 #12
Sandra Bland had a job. NuclearDem Feb 2016 #2
Mike Brown was going to college, Bernie assumed he was not in school. bettyellen Feb 2016 #11
Exactly!! Beacool Feb 2016 #22
Yup. ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #3
I can't believe that Sanders wants to end poverty among ALL groups! Doctor_J Feb 2016 #4
You're missing the point. Beacool Feb 2016 #5
Nor would anything short of the literal destruction of the human species. Shandris Feb 2016 #7
Exactly! NWCorona Feb 2016 #9
Neither is she. Talk is cheap. Neither can change attitudes alone. Armstead Feb 2016 #15
Not missing the point... You've just not made yours... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #25
Nothing Clinton can do will "eliminate racism" either. arcane1 Feb 2016 #27
Sandra Bland had a job dsc Feb 2016 #6
No it isn't. What would Clinton do to change people's attitudes that create racism? Armstead Feb 2016 #14
She has already stated that you don't change hearts. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #29
How is policy gonna combat racism? I'd rather have a NWCorona Feb 2016 #8
The Voting Rights Act is policy. The Civil Rights Act is policy. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #30
But that didn't combat racism. NWCorona Feb 2016 #32
I do understand your point. Those Acts combat the effects LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #34
How would Clinton instantly change attuitudes towards race? Armstead Feb 2016 #13
Just wait until the general if Hillary makes it. NWCorona Feb 2016 #16
She'll go big on "personal responsibility" Armstead Feb 2016 #17
Bait and switch tactics NWCorona Feb 2016 #19
No, but she understands that racism goes beyond income inequality. Beacool Feb 2016 #26
She'll tell racists to cut it out n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #28
and then she tell POC: No, we can't. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #41
Why aren't there any POC this year among the nominees?' Carson? aikoaiko Feb 2016 #18
The Oscars, not the election. Beacool Feb 2016 #23
During one answer in one interview, Sanders didn't talk about criminal justice reform. Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #20
Clinton will end racism? RobertEarl Feb 2016 #21
That's not what I said. Beacool Feb 2016 #24
How about YOU remember THIS : AzDar Feb 2016 #31
Again with this nonsense? Beacool Feb 2016 #36
No matter how old... Bernie NEVER supported Right-Wing Republicans. Good Judgement is AzDar Feb 2016 #37
Oh please, that comment is nonsensical. Beacool Feb 2016 #39
"She didn’t have to be shamed into rolling out a racial justice platform, she woke up with one." slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #33
Sanders has a full-throated multi-faceted racial justice platform. yodermon Feb 2016 #35
We're all lobsters. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #38
K&R n/t R B Garr Feb 2016 #40

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. His "street corner" phrasing is still disturbing to me.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:13 PM
Feb 2016

Even if it was "innocent" and he meant no insult (and I imagine that's the case), the fact that it was the first thing that popped into his head, or that he wasn't aware enough to realize what he was saying and how it would be taken is enough to make one pause.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
11. Mike Brown was going to college, Bernie assumed he was not in school.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:14 PM
Feb 2016

And was campaigning months before he found out people were being jailed for not paying parking tickets.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. I can't believe that Sanders wants to end poverty among ALL groups!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:01 PM
Feb 2016

Why would anyone vote for such a person?

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
5. You're missing the point.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:57 PM
Feb 2016

Even if those things were to occur, they wouldn't eliminate racism and he's not addressing it.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
7. Nor would anything short of the literal destruction of the human species.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

But let's keep accusing him of being 'pie in the sky' while we ask for the literally impossible.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
15. Neither is she. Talk is cheap. Neither can change attitudes alone.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:19 PM
Feb 2016

Racism is much bigger and deeper than a bumper sticker slogan.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
27. Nothing Clinton can do will "eliminate racism" either.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:11 AM
Feb 2016

Funny how she's never held to this standard.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
6. Sandra Bland had a job
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:07 PM
Feb 2016

Treyvon Martin's parents lived in a gated community. It isn't all about money.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
14. No it isn't. What would Clinton do to change people's attitudes that create racism?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:17 PM
Feb 2016

I'll give her a pass on the "bringing [predators to heel" rematks. But what -- today -- will Clinton do more than Sanders has already supported to change racist attitudes?

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
29. She has already stated that you don't change hearts.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

But you see what you can do legislatively and with policy. She said almost those very words to the BLM activist backstage at her Iowa event months back.

She understands that you can't eliminate racism. But you can address it.

On edit: here is an article documenting the exchange.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/hillary-clintons-blunt-view-of-social-progress/402020/

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
32. But that didn't combat racism.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:30 AM
Feb 2016

I do understand the point you are making tho and I hope you understand mine. Racism and bigotry will always exist we just need the tools to fight them.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
34. I do understand your point. Those Acts combat the effects
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:41 AM
Feb 2016

of racism. But racism is ultimately a thought crime that can be hidden and disguised from being identified as motivation.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
13. How would Clinton instantly change attuitudes towards race?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

"Sanders thinks that his agenda would benefit all, regardless of race. That may be so, but only up to a point. Race issues are far more complex than just a lack of employment and educational opportunities. After all, there are plenty of Latino and AA people who are well educated and make a good living who are still discriminated against. Since Sunday is the Oscars, let's look at that for a moment. Why aren't there any POC this year among the nominees?'

What would Clinton do? Pass a law that at least one Oscar nominee must be African American?

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
16. Just wait until the general if Hillary makes it.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:19 PM
Feb 2016

She'll drop this topic and Obama with the quickness and pivot to the right.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
26. No, but she understands that racism goes beyond income inequality.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:08 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders seems to think that if the financial disparity is resolved that would resolve race issues too.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
20. During one answer in one interview, Sanders didn't talk about criminal justice reform.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:36 PM
Feb 2016

He talks about criminal justice reform in his stump speech.

He's also the only presidential candidate who wants to end mandatory minimums and the death penalty.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
36. Again with this nonsense?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:39 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders is older than Hillary. She was only 17 years old when she was a Goldwater girl.

Gee......

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
37. No matter how old... Bernie NEVER supported Right-Wing Republicans. Good Judgement is
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:48 AM
Feb 2016

good judgement...Period.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
39. Oh please, that comment is nonsensical.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:59 AM
Feb 2016

Her father was a staunch Republican. You're going to blame the kids for the political affiliations of the parents? She switched parties after her first year in college.

BTW, Sanders may have never been a Republican, but he wasn't a Democrat either.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
33. "She didn’t have to be shamed into rolling out a racial justice platform, she woke up with one."
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:38 AM
Feb 2016

What year was that? On the contrary I would say that Sanders woke up with a conscience and has not wavered over the years.

Sanders has not changed his beliefs on this issue for decades. In contrast to Clinton he has fought for the rights of all people longer than Clinton ever did, here in the US and also abroad. Does she still support cluster bombs that kill mostly poor children in other countries?

All those kids in Iraq whose lives were destroyed and then she had the gall to announce 'Iraq is open for business.'

As more people achieve economic equality there will be a change, Sanders recognizes that the war on inequality needs to be fought on several fronts and he has spoken out for criminal justice reform for years. The corporate media and Clinton campaign would prefer to try and convince voters that he has a single message, that is not true.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
35. Sanders has a full-throated multi-faceted racial justice platform.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

It is not "subordinate to his 'colorblind' agenda."


ADDRESSING PHYSICAL VIOLENCE
We must demilitarize our police forces so they don’t look and act like invading armies.

We must invest in community policing. Only when we get officers into the communities, working within neighborhoods before trouble arises, do we develop the relationships necessary to make our communities safer together. Among other things, that means increasing civilian oversight of police departments.

We must create a police culture that allows for good officers to report the actions of bad officers without fear of retaliation and allows for a department to follow through on such reports.

We need police forces that reflect the diversity of our communities, including in the training academies and leadership.
At the federal level, we need to establish a new model police training program that reorients the way we do law enforcement in this country. With input from a broad segment of the community including activists and leaders from civil rights organizations we will reinvent how we police America.

We need to federally fund and require body cameras for law enforcement officers to make it easier to hold them accountable.

We need to require police departments and states to collect data on all police shootings and deaths that take place while in police custody and make that data public.

We need new rules on the allowable use of force. Police officers need to be trained to de-escalate confrontations and to humanely interact with people who have mental illnesses.
States and localities that make progress in this area should get more federal justice grant money. Those that do not should get their funding slashed.

We need to make sure federal resources are there to crack down on the illegal activities of hate groups.

ADDRESSING POLITICAL VIOLENCE
We need to re-enfranchise the more than two million African-Americans who have had their right to vote taken away by a felony conviction, paid their debt to society, and deserve to have their rights restored.
Congress must restore the “pre-clearance” formula under the Voting Rights Act, which extended protections to minority voters in states and counties where they were clearly needed.

We must expand the Act’s scope so that every American, regardless of skin color or national origin, is able to vote freely.

We need to make Election Day a federal holiday to increase voters’ ability to participate.

We must make early voting an option for voters who work or study and need the flexibility to vote on evenings or weekends.

We must make no-fault absentee ballots an option for all Americans.

We must automatically register every American to vote when they turn 18 or move to a new state. The burden of registering voters should be on the state, not the individual voter.

We must put an end to discriminatory laws and the purging of minority-community names from voting rolls.

We need to make sure that there are sufficient polling places and poll workers to prevent long lines from forming at the polls anywhere.

LEGAL VIOLENCE
Millions of lives have been destroyed because people are in jail for nonviolent crimes. For decades, we have been engaged in a failed “War on Drugs” with racially-biased mandatory minimums that punish people of color unfairly.
It is an obscenity that we stigmatize so many young Americans with a criminal record for smoking marijuana, but not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy. This must change.

If current trends continue, one in four black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during their lifetime. Blacks are imprisoned at six times the rate of whites and a report by the Department of Justice found that blacks were three times more likely to be searched during a traffic stop, compared to white motorists. Together, African-Americans and Latinos comprised 57 percent of all prisoners in 2014, even though African-Americans and Latinos make up approximately one quarter of the US population. These outcomes are not reflective of increased crime by communities of color, but rather a disparity in enforcement and reporting mechanisms. African-Americans are twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police. This is an unspeakable tragedy.

It is morally repugnant that we have privatized prisons all over America. Corporations should not be allowed to make a profit by building more jails and keeping more Americans behind bars. We have got to end the private for-profit prison racket in America. Earlier this year, Sen. Sanders introduced legislation that will end the private prison industry.

The measure of success for law enforcement should not be how many people get locked up. We need to invest in drug courts as well as medical and mental health interventions for people with substance abuse problems, so that people struggling with addiction do not end up in prison, they end up in treatment.

For people who have committed crimes that have landed them in jail, there needs to be a path back from prison. The federal system of parole needs to be reinstated. We need real education and real skills training for the incarcerated.

We must end the over-incarceration of nonviolent young Americans who do not pose a serious threat to our society. It is an international embarrassment that we have more people locked up in jail than any other country on earth – more than even the Communist totalitarian state of China. That has got to end.

We must address the lingering unjust stereotypes that lead to the labeling of black youths as “thugs” and “super predators.” We know the truth that, like every community in this country, the vast majority of people of color are trying to work hard, play by the rules and raise their children. It’s time to stop demonizing minority communities.
In many cities all over our country, the incentives for policing are upside down. Departments are bringing in substantial sums of revenue by seizing the personal property of people who are suspected of criminal involvement. So-called civil asset forfeiture laws allow police to take property from people even before they are charged with a crime, much less convicted of one. Even worse, the system works in a way that makes it very difficult and expensive for an innocent person to get his or her property back. We must end programs that actually reward officials for seizing assets without a criminal conviction or other lawful mandate. Departments and officers should not profit off of such seizures.

Local governments that rely on tickets and fines to pay bills can become dependent on implicit quotas for law enforcement. When policing is a source of revenue tied to the financial sustainability of agencies, officers are pressured to meet internal goals which can lead to unnecessary or unlawful traffic stops and citations which disproportionately affect people of color. Implicit quota systems promote racial stereotyping and breed distrust between officers and communities of color.

Furthermore, we must ensure police departments are not abusing avenues of due process to shield bad actors from accountability. Local governments and police management must show zero tolerance for abuses of police power at all levels. All employees of any kind deserve due process protections, but it must be clear that departments will vigorously investigate and, if necessary, prosecute every allegation of wrongdoing to the fullest extent.

ADDRESSING LEGAL VIOLENCE
We need to ban prisons for profit, which result in an over-incentive to arrest, jail and detain in order to keep prison beds full.

We need to turn back from the failed “War on Drugs” and eliminate mandatory minimums which result in sentencing disparities between black and white people.

We need to take marijuana off the federal government’s list of outlawed drugs.

We need to allow people in states which legalize marijuana to be able to fully participate in the banking system and not be subject to federal prosecution for using pot.

We need to invest in drug courts and medical and mental health interventions for people with substance abuse problems, so that they do not end up in prison, they end up in treatment.

We need to boost investments for programs that help people who have gone to jail rebuild their lives with education and job training.

We must investigate local governments that are using implicit or explicit quotas for arrests or stops.

We must stop local governments that are relying on fines, fees or asset forfeitures as a steady source of revenue.
Police departments must investigate all allegations of wrongdoing, especially those involving the use of force, and prosecute aggressively, if necessary. If departments are unwilling or unable to conduct such investigations, the Department of Justice must step in and handle it for them.
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