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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:02 PM Feb 2016

The more I think about it, and as ridiculous as it sounds, a Sanders/Clinton ticket...

...is our best hope. Bernie leading the charge for the big things at the top, Clinton getting it done as President of the Senate. Maybe after they battle it out, they can just team up and do us all a gigantic favor. There is still the issue of Hillary's money taking and people really don't like her, but I wonder if that could be overcome by both sides coming together for what one believes, and the other says they believe.

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The more I think about it, and as ridiculous as it sounds, a Sanders/Clinton ticket... (Original Post) TCJ70 Feb 2016 OP
no i don't think so... there are better VP candidates kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #1
True... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #3
No. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #2
Why should she be VICE PRESIDENT when she is leading in delegates/super-delegates? bravenak Feb 2016 #4
It's 51-51 elected delegates. Superdelegates don't weigh in til convention plus they switch sides. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #6
It's 52-51 Clinton now - they awarded that final NV delegate. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #67
because she's a top-of-the-ticked poison pill Vote2016 Feb 2016 #9
It won't happen in either direction. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #11
If her national polling numbers do not improve... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #14
Easy answer Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #57
. bravenak Feb 2016 #59
Mm-hm. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #61
It's funny how entitled they are treestar Feb 2016 #65
"as ridiculous as it sounds" zappaman Feb 2016 #5
It's Monday afternoon... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #10
Well, there's an honest bloke. pangaia Feb 2016 #28
It is now! Welcome to the Monday Afternoon Nonsense Club! TCJ70 Feb 2016 #30
In Australia, it's Blokes and Shielas. aidbo Feb 2016 #39
Wow. I never knew that.. Never been to Australia either.. pangaia Feb 2016 #40
Isn't it Sheilas? nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #48
You're probably right. aidbo Feb 2016 #49
I like the "German" translation nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #50
I like to mention this when someone says "excuse my french". aidbo Feb 2016 #53
I thought it was Bruces and Sheilas Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #51
I've never heard that one, but could be. aidbo Feb 2016 #54
Like here Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #56
Ugh. No thanks. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #7
I know.....let's flip a coin to see who gets to be the ticket bottom? Nah. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #8
Not happening. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #12
How about Hillary as Ambassador to Honduras? nt Zorra Feb 2016 #13
Oh god, that's terrible. pangaia Feb 2016 #31
What did Honduras ever do to you? Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #60
No dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #15
It could win more votes from more Clinton supporters. drm604 Feb 2016 #16
Not after this primary. TDale313 Feb 2016 #17
I'm still trying to decide if my like for Sanders... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #20
Take the Clinton part out and it sounds a lot better. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #18
If people won't vote for her as POTUS, why would they want her as the Vice? ebayfool Feb 2016 #19
No. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #21
If Clinton were significantly younger maybe loyalsister Feb 2016 #22
Oh man, you really have it in for Sanders. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #23
No.... It would set up Sanders for assassination... cascadiance Feb 2016 #24
A 75 y.o. pres and a VP under threat of indictment tularetom Feb 2016 #25
!!! grasswire Feb 2016 #27
not gonna happen grasswire Feb 2016 #26
No offense to you, but fuck no demwing Feb 2016 #29
No noamnety Feb 2016 #32
No, and for the same reason Obama didn't pick her for VP. Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #33
Hah malokvale77 Feb 2016 #34
No, just no ! SamKnause Feb 2016 #35
Never happen workinclasszero Feb 2016 #36
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Eom Karma13612 Feb 2016 #37
Hell the fuck no. No political dynasties. n/t VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #38
NOT going to happen. Matariki Feb 2016 #41
Hadn't even thougth about fearing for his life in that scenario, but that would DEFINITELY cui bono Feb 2016 #44
Nope. It would undermine the entire movement. n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #42
That makes no sense. He would have to battle his own VP and she would be next in line. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #43
No, we need a clean break with Third Way, corporatist, New Dem, Clintonism.. tokenlib Feb 2016 #45
No, never. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #46
No. nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #47
Never happen! First of all, thwey're both considered as being from the North East. napi21 Feb 2016 #52
She's from the North East like I'm from Arkansas nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #64
YES I know she's from AR. but most people don't make that association anymore. napi21 Feb 2016 #68
I don't think so... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #55
Ugh. After her assassination remark about Obama, I certainly wouldn't trust her. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #58
Exactly. That was my first thought as well (nt) Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #63
No, no, no, no, no .... Sanders/Warren would be better Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #62
Wouldn't Bernie get thrown under the bus for that? treestar Feb 2016 #66
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
4. Why should she be VICE PRESIDENT when she is leading in delegates/super-delegates?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:05 PM
Feb 2016

Why? I do not understand this mentality that she should step back and let him be president and just be vice president. Why not him be vice president?

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
6. It's 51-51 elected delegates. Superdelegates don't weigh in til convention plus they switch sides.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

That's why. Plus Bernie beats ALL Repubs, Hillary loses to Cruz, Rubio, Kasich & tied with Trump.

HEAD-TO-HEAD MATCHUPS:

Against Trump:
Hillary 44, Trump 43
Bernie 48, Trump 42

Against Cruz:
Hillary 43, Cruz 46
Bernie 49, Cruz 39

Against Rubio:
Hillary 41, Rubio 48
Bernie 47, Rubio 41

Against Kasich:
Hillary 39, Kasich 47
Bernie 45, Kasich 41

Against Jebra (who has since dropped out)
Hillary 43, Jebra 44
Bernie 49, Jebra 39

FAVORABILITY:

Bernie +15 (he is the only candidate on either side above water).
Hillary -21 (she has worst rating of both parties).

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
11. It won't happen in either direction.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

He fundamentally disagrees with the Clinton way of doing business with lobbyists. She would not want such an old guy on her ticket. She would need someone much younger. One of the Castro twins is much more likely as Clinton's running mate.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
14. If her national polling numbers do not improve...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

...she shouldn't be at the top of the ticket. At the moment, she wins against Trump...by one.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
57. Easy answer
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016

She can either be Vice-president, or she can be the nominee and lose the general election due to the overwhelming hatred she inspires in damn near everyone. Honestly I think she'd be a drag on the ticket, there's a reason Obama picked Biden.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
49. You're probably right.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

I think the saying goes: "I before E except after C, and all those other fucking times it's E before I"

'Scuse my German.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
53. I like to mention this when someone says "excuse my french".
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016
[Fuck] is a very old word, recorded in English since the 15th century (few acronyms predate the 20th century), with cognates in other Germanic languages. The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang (Random House, 1994, ISBN 0-394-54427-7) cites Middle Dutch fokken = "to thrust, copulate with"; Norwegian dialect fukka = "to copulate"; and Swedish dialect focka = "to strike, push, copulate" and fock = "penis". Although German ficken may enter the picture somehow, it is problematic in having e-grade, or umlaut, where all the others have o-grade or zero-grade of the vowel.

AHD1, following Pokorny, derived "feud", "fey", "fickle", "foe", and "fuck" from an Indo-European root peig2 = "hostile"; but AHD2 and AHD3 have dropped this connection for "fuck" and give no pre-Germanic etymon for it. Eric Partridge, in the 7th edition of Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English (Macmillan, 1970), said that "fuck" "almost certainly" comes from the Indo-European root *peuk- = "to prick" (which is the source of the English words "compunction", "expunge", "impugn", "poignant", "point", "pounce", "pugilist", "punctuate", "puncture", "pungent", and "pygmy&quot . Robert Claiborne, in The Roots of English: A Reader's Handbook of Word Origin (Times, 1989) agrees that this is "probably" the etymon. Problems with such theories include a distribution that suggests a North-Sea Germanic areal form rather than an inherited one; the murkiness of the phonetic relations; and the fact that no alleged cognate outside Germanic has sexual connotations.


http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/fuck.asp

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
15. No
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

I don't want her as VP for probably the same reasons Obama didn't. If Bernie doesn't win the nomination I'd like him back in the Senate being the the thorn in her side as she"get's things done" by taking us further into Republicanville.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
16. It could win more votes from more Clinton supporters.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

Although I do think that if Sanders were to win the nomination the majority of Clinton supporters would vote for him, there would be some who wouldn't, and they might be swayed by Clinton being on the ticket, especially given Sanders' age.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
20. I'm still trying to decide if my like for Sanders...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

...outweighs my dislike of Clinton. She's definitely done herself in for the GE if she makes it there.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
22. If Clinton were significantly younger maybe
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

It sounds good on the surface, but I prefer to have a VP candidate who I am confident will be in good health 8 yrs. from now. In 8 yrs. Hillary will be almost 80. Natural bodily changes that make the world more difficult to negotiate are a function of aging.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
24. No.... It would set up Sanders for assassination...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

There would be some that would want to install someone to serve oligarchs to replace him in that fashion, as ugly as it might sound.

And likewise, I wouldn't want Sanders being a VP to Clinton either, for the same reason, as there are crazies out there that might want to put Bernie in power that way too. And that scenario would also take Bernie out of power from the Senate too.

The best VP Sanders could have is someone that is a lot like him in terms of where that person's political philosophy is, as there would need to be a double assassination to change the seat of power then to whoever is Speaker of the House, and I think the possibility of being caught is far more in that case making it not worth there while.

And we will likely need two consecutive presidencies to fix the problems facing us with this economy and climate change, etc., which is why I still think someone like Elizabeth Warren would be the perfect solution, since she would give those wanting a woman president a short wait to have that likely happen right after Bernie being in office then.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
25. A 75 y.o. pres and a VP under threat of indictment
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:20 PM
Feb 2016

Yeah, that'll work.

Actually, I'd be happier if that ticket were reversed. Then when Clinton goes to jail, we get a president we can trust.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
26. not gonna happen
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:21 PM
Feb 2016

Too many people hate and distrust Clinton.

Plus she would never settle.

Plus the VP needs to be more youthful, to build on the next 8 years after 2020.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
29. No offense to you, but fuck no
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

Why in the world would we want an ambitious, corrupt, liar just a single 74 year old Bernie heartbeat away from the office?

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
32. No
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:46 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie may as well just get one of those nascar suits with the corporate logos on it if he picks her as VP.

Qutzupalotl

(14,317 posts)
33. No, and for the same reason Obama didn't pick her for VP.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:01 PM
Feb 2016

She would work behind the scenes to get him impeached so she could be president.

He chose her as SoS partly because of her prior contacts around the world, but mostly to keep her a team player and not a challenger in 2012.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
34. Hah
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

Personally I think he had her logging all those hours, flying to obscure places, just to keep her out of his way.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
35. No, just no !
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

Just say no to the Bush family.

Just say no to the Clinton family.

The pain, destruction, and death these two families have caused

this country and the world is incalculable.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
36. Never happen
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:38 PM
Feb 2016

Why would a senator give up his seat to be VP?

Pretty sure Bernie would not want to do that.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
41. NOT going to happen.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016

Can't see Sanders as VP in a Clinton administration, and I'd fear for his life if the ticket were reversed.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
44. Hadn't even thougth about fearing for his life in that scenario, but that would DEFINITELY
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

be in some peoples minds. We have a nation of many assassinations, no reason TPTB would stop now. Even without Clinton as VP he would seriously have to watch himself and trust no one.

.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
45. No, we need a clean break with Third Way, corporatist, New Dem, Clintonism..
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

I remember eight years ago, some of us thought the hope/change theme of Obama would be a progressive break from Clintonism and we deceived ourselves. Obama gave us Rahm the Chief of Staff and more Wall Street insiders. If we don't get the break now, it may be a decade or more before we get it.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
52. Never happen! First of all, thwey're both considered as being from the North East.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

Second, lets face it, they're both old! Neither is too old to govern as a great President, but many people want the safety net of a younger person as VP. The third thing is a candidate typically chooses someone from a purple state that they need to win.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
68. YES I know she's from AR. but most people don't make that association anymore.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

She was the Senator from NY. They LIVE in NY. Both she & Bill are more associated with NY/DC than they are Ar.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
55. I don't think so...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

I think he chooses someone who further motivates his base and/or someone who increases his appeal to independents. Hillary does neither.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
62. No, no, no, no, no .... Sanders/Warren would be better
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016

Also, If it were Sanders/Clinton, how long do you honestly think it would be before Bernie met with some sort of unfortunate accident ... small plane crash, etc.?

Terrible idea.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. Wouldn't Bernie get thrown under the bus for that?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:04 AM
Feb 2016

Picking the evil Hillary as his running mate? OMG. That would mean he is a slave of Wall Street!!!

If Bernie accepted to be Hillary's running mate, shouldn't he go under the bus for caving to Wall Street?

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