2016 Postmortem

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts) Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:00 PM Feb 2016

Intercept: Emails Show Hillary Clinton Aides Celebrating F-15 Sales to Saudi Arabia

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/saudi-christmas-present/

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Intercept: Emails Show Hillary Clinton Aides Celebrating F-15 Sales to Saudi Arabia (Original Post) kgnu_fan Feb 2016 OP

crazy corruption grasswire Feb 2016 #1

This is a problem for her: Jarqui Feb 2016 #2

MSM Will NEVER Allow It To Get Out... Until Maybe The General If She's In It? CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #18

Judicial Watch already has it. So the GOP will be using it on FOX news Jarqui Feb 2016 #22

Charming. Who exactly is this great news for? Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #3

after gettng HUGE donations from the manufacturers amborin Feb 2016 #4

I believe the buyer did the same. Wilms Feb 2016 #5

yes: amborin Feb 2016 #6

Done...sort of. Wilms Feb 2016 #10

kick for support kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #7

yet more criticism of obama's foreign policy. nt msongs Feb 2016 #8

You left out the "Much deserved" part. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #12

Wait...that's not something to celebrate in my opinion. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #9

Yay! More killing, maiming, and destroying!!! USA!! USA!! Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #11

This is part of the arsenal that Sanders believes should be used against ISIS... stevenleser Feb 2016 #13

I believe the issue is corruption, not Saudi Arabia having aircraft. /nt Marr Feb 2016 #14

It's still a problem with the argument from the standpoint of a Sanders supporter. stevenleser Feb 2016 #15

That's like saying you can't be against muggings Marr Feb 2016 #16

Nope, it's not. Nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #17

+1 appalachiablue Feb 2016 #19

AGREED! THIS Is A Cheap And Unfounded Criticism! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #20

''Money trumps peace.'' -- appointed pretzeldent George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Feb 2016 #21

kick kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #23

Stratfor: executive boasted of 'trusted former CIA cronies' Octafish Feb 2016 #24

kick kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #25

Bloodlust, Brawn and Benjamins. dchill Feb 2016 #26

Ugh. AzDar Feb 2016 #27

grasswire

(50,130 posts)

1. crazy corruption

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:06 PM

Feb 2016

David Sirota and Andrew Perez have previously reported for the International Business Times that Clinton’s State Department was heavily involved in approving weapons sales to Saudi Arabia. As weapons transfers were being approved, both the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Boeing made donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Washington Post revealed that a Boeing lobbyist helped with fundraising in the early stages of Hillary Clinton’s current presidential campaign.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)

2. This is a problem for her:

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:07 PM

Feb 2016

As weapons transfers were being approved, both the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Boeing made donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Washington Post revealed that a Boeing lobbyist helped with fundraising in the early stages of Hillary Clinton’s current presidential campaign.

That was part of what the subpoena laid on the Clinton Foundation was about. So the emails show that they knew of the deal and had some sort of stake in it's outcome. As the deal goes down, the Clinton Foundation gets donations from both parties.

That looks so bad.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)

18. MSM Will NEVER Allow It To Get Out... Until Maybe The General If She's In It?

Reply to Jarqui (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:58 PM

Feb 2016

ANyway you toss it , Hillary will NEVER be President!

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)

22. Judicial Watch already has it. So the GOP will be using it on FOX news

Reply to CorporatistNation (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:07 PM

Feb 2016

if the FBI doesn't indict her.

It won't end there because there are volumes of FOIA requests to come.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

3. Charming. Who exactly is this great news for?

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:07 PM

Feb 2016

I can think of hundreds of thousands who it's bad news for.

amborin

(16,631 posts)

4. after gettng HUGE donations from the manufacturers

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:13 PM

Feb 2016

Wilms

(26,795 posts)

5. I believe the buyer did the same.

Reply to amborin (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:39 PM

Feb 2016

Clintons get you coming and going.

amborin

(16,631 posts)

6. yes:

Reply to Wilms (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:52 PM

Feb 2016

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals#disqus_thread

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

Stephen Walt, a Harvard University professor of international affairs, told IBTimes that the intertwining financial relationships between the Clintons, defense contractors and foreign governments seeking weapons approvals is “a vivid example of a very big problem -- the degree to which conflicts of interest have become endemic.”

some good charts on both sites but no time to copy them now, perhaps you can?

would make a good OP

Wilms

(26,795 posts)

10. Done...sort of.

Reply to amborin (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:14 PM

Feb 2016

Those charts aren't images.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511312071

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)

7. kick for support

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:55 PM

Feb 2016

msongs

(67,420 posts)

8. yet more criticism of obama's foreign policy. nt

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:01 PM

Feb 2016

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)

12. You left out the "Much deserved" part.

Reply to msongs (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:19 PM

Feb 2016

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)

9. Wait...that's not something to celebrate in my opinion.

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:02 PM

Feb 2016

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)

11. Yay! More killing, maiming, and destroying!!! USA!! USA!!

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:18 PM

Feb 2016

More "Foreign Policy Experience"!!

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

13. This is part of the arsenal that Sanders believes should be used against ISIS...

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:28 PM

Feb 2016

...is one of the serious problems with trying to use this to attack Hillary.

Marr

(20,317 posts)

14. I believe the issue is corruption, not Saudi Arabia having aircraft. /nt

Reply to stevenleser (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:34 PM

Feb 2016

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

15. It's still a problem with the argument from the standpoint of a Sanders supporter.

Reply to Marr (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:37 PM

Feb 2016

Sanders believes the Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia, should be doing more to fight ISIS.

If they didn't have military hardware like these planes, they wouldn't be able to do that.

Marr

(20,317 posts)

16. That's like saying you can't be against muggings

Reply to stevenleser (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:50 PM

Feb 2016

unless you're also against the Federal Reserve printing money.

The actual product being moved is incidental. It's about corruption.

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

17. Nope, it's not. Nt

Reply to Marr (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:56 PM

Feb 2016

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)

19. +1

Reply to Marr (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:58 PM

Feb 2016

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)

20. AGREED! THIS Is A Cheap And Unfounded Criticism!

Reply to stevenleser (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:59 PM

Feb 2016

Octafish

(55,745 posts)

21. ''Money trumps peace.'' -- appointed pretzeldent George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007

Reply to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:06 PM

Feb 2016

From the OP:

A few years earlier, as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton made weapons transfer to the Saudi government a “top priority,” according to her closest military aide.

And now, newly released emails show that her aides kept her well-informed of the approval process for a $29.4 billion sale in 2011 of up to 84 advanced F-15SA fighters, manufactured by Boeing, along with upgrades to the pre-existing Saudi fleet of 70 F-15 aircraft and munitions, spare parts, training, maintenance, and logistics.

The deal was finalized on Christmas Eve 2011. Afterward, Jake Sullivan, then Clinton’s deputy chief of staff and now a senior policy adviser on her presidential campaign, sent her a celebratory email string topped with the chipper message: “FYI — good news.”

The email string was part of a new batch of emails from Clinton’s private server, made public on Friday evening as the result of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

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kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)

23. kick

Reply to Octafish (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:10 PM

Feb 2016

Octafish

(55,745 posts)

24. Stratfor: executive boasted of 'trusted former CIA cronies'

Reply to kgnu_fan (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:41 PM

Feb 2016

By Alex Spillius, Diplomatic Correspondent
9:08PM GMT 28 Feb 2012
The Telegraph

A senior executive with the private intelligence firm Stratfor boasted to colleagues about his "trusted former CIA cronies" and promised to "see what I can uncover" about a classified FBI investigation, according to emails released by the WikiLeaks.

Fred Burton, vice president of intelligence at the Texas firm, also informed members of staff that he had a copy of the confidential indictment on Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.

The second batch of five million internal Stratfor emails obtained by the Anonymous computer hacking group revealed that the company has high level sources within the United States and other governments, runs a network of paid informants that includes embassy staff and journalists and planned a hedge fund, Stratcap, based on its secret intelligence.

SNIP...

Mr Assange labelled the company as a "private intelligence Enron", in reference to the energy giant that collapsed after a false accounting scandal.

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