2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOne of the saddest things about this primary IMO
If the Democratic leadership (establishment) had given Bernie more moral support, acknowledged his legitimacy -- as a long term and popular Congress member, and one of America's Best Mayors -- and helped him buff up some of his rougher edges, I am absolutely convinced he could smoke the shit out of the GOP.
hack89
(39,171 posts)he waited too long to become a Democrat if he really wanted the party to help him.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)You should be damn glad he decided to entr the primatries as a dem, instead of a third party independent spoiler campaign through the general
hack89
(39,171 posts)he wanted the $$$$.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Got news for you. A whole lot of people sending small contributions. He could have done that as an independent too. Maybe not raise as much, but a hell of a lot.
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)I had understood 98% of his money came from small donors?
brush
(53,787 posts)He would have gotten nowhere near the funds without Democratic Party branding.
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)He has been in the trenches for a long time caucusing with the Dems. Everyone KNOWS that. When you try to spin it like he has never been a Dem you continue the image of Hillary and her people as manipulators of the truth. Please continue, the kids under 45 are eating this stuff up.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Or are you just... a hack?
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)If it is in their interest to vote Dem, they will. If not they won't. No point in catering to them, especially the whiny, self important ones.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Good bye.
hack89
(39,171 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)The longer the primary goes, the more popular he will become.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I remember how many Dems loved Bernie and his message -- before he challenged Clinton.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I was especially struck by that the day of the CBC PAC endorsement. So many of those spoke seemed so angry. I couldn't understand that. Fine, endorse Hillary, but why be so nasty about it? That's what I don't get. I know people say it's just politics, but things just seem so over the top this year.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Otherwise, other people might get "the wrong idea" and promote progressive policies themselves.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)They're putting all their hopes and dreams on Hillary, a person currently the subject of an FBI investigation. What happens if something really negative happens . . . in October? Does Trump end up being elected unopposed?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)The reality is that among democrats most people are not angry at the party and mostly blame republicans.
The anger is mostly on the republican side.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the conservative machine will eat bernie alive....and there is nothing that machine can throw at hillary that hasn't been thrown at her before
Armstead
(47,803 posts)They elected a lot of draft dodgers -- including Cheney, Bill Clinton and many others.
And Bernie wasn't approved for conscientious objector status.
And he's not a pacifist. he is just against stupid wars.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)What a legacy you are promoting.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)lostnfound
(16,180 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Hillary yet. It's called impeachment.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)or FBI recommendation for an indictment...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)BreakfastClub
(765 posts)national candidate. I'm not saying that to be mean. It's just the truth as I see it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)People just prefer the other candidate.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)What I was suggesting that the leadership at least allow a level paying field for Bernie or whomever might have come along.
But Clinton was the "presumed nominee" from the day she left her job as Sec of State.
The fix was in.
And many of those don't "prefer the otehr gal." They've been told she is more "electable" despite the evidence. It's hard to refute the against the decision of the poobahs and pundits.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Voters have rejected Clinton at this point.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Ninety-seven percent of the Democratic voters
have not voted yet.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)And all that seems to matter to the Democratic Party anymore is how "historic" our candidates are.
napi21
(45,806 posts)Pub Party leaders are treating Trump! Hell, THEY'RE trying to figure out how they can get rid of him! I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm still hoping he will win the nomination, but it's fair that the Dem Party is not backing him because he always stated that he WASN"T a Democrat, he was a Socialist Democrat. Thank God he always caucused with the Dems. His vote has helped pass a lot of legislation over the years, but for now, he, with our help, has to get this nomination done without the leading Dems.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)They're totally invested in Clinton. They never wanted a level -playing field.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I'm not sasyoing they should have rushed to support him. But at least foster a level playing field.
And I suspect if a very progressive Dem, such as Sherrod Brown or Warren, had darde to challenge Clinton inc. they would have had the long knives out for them too.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Clinton would have demonized them and the Democratic Establishment would have put their thumbs on the scale.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I think they have been quite accommodating to a non-Democrat who (at least some of his supporters) had hurt the party's chances in the General Election.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)He caucused with Democrats and was given important committees. He was given a great deal of support during his career.
What ever rough edges he has are his by choice.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)continues to back Sanders. We know about PACs, not under the control of the candidate because they are not supposed to be but don't deny they exist.
Sanders has a big problem of not having established a relationship with members of congress, this was something he could have done in his twenty five years. Again this is not the responsibility of the DNC to establish these relationships. He is responsible for selling his candidacy.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It would be nice if you developed a sense of equivalency in such things.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Big Business and Wall Street and other powerful and reactionary forces?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)We know how this operates, Sanders knows how the game is played also. Perhaps he could take this time he is using to promote himself and tell how he is going to respond as president, giving this information over and over about Big Business and Wall Street is not registering with new potential voters. He has not convinced me Big Business and Wall Street is "bad" while fund raising with these same groups. There are more PACs also, it isn't just the nurses. There is more than one union who has endorsed Sanders and I can assure one of those unions has a PAC.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)And I think there's some resentment there by the Democratic Party folks. If Bernie had decided to switch parties outright, made an official announcement, run as a Democrat for his Senate seat, it might have helped a little. Also, if Biden had chose to run, I think the endorsements would look very different.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He's popular and in a special category. The groups like lanor would have probably gone his way or stayed heutral
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)The party has really dropped the ball. Voter turnout ought to tell them that they're not doing something right.