2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders beat projections in Iowa and New Hampshire, and fought a closer race in Nevada than Obama
versus Clinton in 2008.
This story that the Sanders movement or its supporters have "failed" is nonsensical crap.
Let's not forget, the DNC rigged the debates to cut off Jim Webb and Lincoln Chafee and Lawrence Lessig at their knees before the Iowa caucus. Martin O'Malley's candidacy survived but was mortally wounded by this gamesmanship. Sanders thrived despite these shenanigans.
Sanders was down by 55% a year before Iowa's caucus, down by 15% just a month before the caucus, and was down by over 5% on the day of the caucus:
The high priests of the establishment's conventional wisdom crowned Clinton with over a 70% chance of winning:
Sanders beat the shit out of those conventional expectations. The difference was a tiny fraction of one percent (the tightest caucus in history) and only a two voter-allocated-delegate distinction.
In New Hampshire, the success was even more dramatic. Sanders was 40% behind a year before the election, 7% ahead a month before the primary, and 14% ahead on primary day:
Sanders -- again -- crushed this projection with the actual vote by beating Clinton with a 22% margin and by winning 15 voter-allocated-delegates to Clinton's 9 (Sanders victory was beyond the maximum projected by the establishment's wisdom and Clinton's failure was worse than even their worst case scenarios).
Clinton's campaign had long bragged that ethnic voters in Nevada would make that state her firewall. In 2008, Clinton beat Obama by 5.7%. The polls had Sanders down by 55% a year before the caucus, down 13% a month before the caucus, and down by 3.5% on the day of the caucus:
Yet again, the Clinton campaign came with a pocketful of gamesmanship and shenanigans. Despite this, Sanders fought to a closer percentage than Obama (5.3% in 2016 versus 5.7% in 2008).
The suggestion that the Sanders movement or its supporters are not turning out is bullshit. Don't believe it.
Over the next 50 days, 31 more states will vote. Sanders has an excellent chance at winning a majority of those states (including Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Vermont, Kansas, Nebraska, Maine, Michigan, Alaska, Wisconsin, Idaho, Washington, Wyoming, Utah, Hawaii, and Arizona). There are a number of additional states that look very close so this list could grow.
Hillary was the first lady of Arkansas and her husband is beloved in his native Arkansas so expect her to do well in states that border Arkansas. Also, Clinton performs best in the old Southern Confederacy states that vote Republican in the general election. There are a lot of Arkansas-bordering states and Southern Confederacy red states on the calendar from February 28 to March 1. Expect Clinton to do well in these Southern Confederacy red states (but expect Sanders to do well in Colorado (Sanders 49%; Clinton 43%), Massachusetts (Sanders 49%; Clinton 42%), Minnesota (there isn't recent polling but a poll a month ago indicated a margin-of-error race and Sanders is a 2-to-1 favorite in the betting markets), and Vermont (Sanders 86%; Clinton 10%).
After the Southern Confederacy red states, there is a batch of 8 states from March 22 to April 9, and Sanders could easily go 8-for-8 during this stretch.
Keep up the hope. Keep up the faith. Keep up the fight.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Despite getting fewer votes. And according to Hillary supporters, that's what really matters, just getting those few extra delegates, even if you do it in undemocratic ways.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)was in 2008 as if she learned on think from her crushing loss.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)be democratic.
pangaia
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(1,198 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)kgnu_fan
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CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)What is it about some Hillary Clinton supporters, that they have to pour cold water on Sanders supporters?
They do this, especially when we're feeling bad about a loss or when things aren't looking so hot.
"Whatever gets you through the day" and "Whistling past the Sanders graveyard doesn't help" ...real kind.
I know of very few places in the universe where this isn't called bullying.
It's like you can't wait to wander into one of our threads where we're trying to be positive--and crap all over everything.
Why do some people get off on acting like mean sorority girls?
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(1,198 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Ain't that the truth!
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(1,198 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)least trusted, most unfavorably perceived, smuggest Democratic candidate ever to guarantee a Republican presidency EVER
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)For Bernie's campaign.
His supporters can't face that yet.
Saturday In SC will reinforce the reality.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Good luck with the math. In the real world, most people do not believe that the math works in Sanders favor.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/bernie_youre_done_following_nevada_loss_pundits_rush_to_write_sanders_campaign_obits/
New York Times
Noting the amassed delegate math in Clintons favor, so far, the Times reports that the odds of [Sanders] overtaking her growing increasingly remote:
Mrs. Clinton has 502 delegates to Mr. Sanderss 70; 2,383 are needed to win the nomination. These numbers include delegates won in state contests and superdelegates, who can support any candidate. She is likely to win a delegate jackpot from the overwhelmingly black and Hispanic areas in the Southern-dominated Super Tuesday primaries on March 1, when 11 states will vote and about 880 delegates will be awarded.
Since delegates are awarded proportionally based on vote tallies in congressional districts and some other areas, only blowout victories yield large numbers of delegates. And Mrs. Clinton is better positioned than Mr. Sanders to win big in more delegate-rich districts, like those carved out to ensure minority Democrats in Congress, where she remains popular.
Slate
Barring a catastrophe, Slates Jamelle Bouie wrote, Clintons nomination is inevitable again.
This doesnt mean the campaign is over, Bouie was quick to note, adding that Sanders is still a formidable candidate.
But the uncertainty that has defined the race since New Hampshire is over for the time being. Clinton still has her advantage with black and Latino voters, and in a Democratic primary, that is dispositive, he concludes.
The fact that Sanders has given up on South Carolina is not a good sign
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(1,198 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Around this time, Obama was anout to have a very good stretch of voctories in the South.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)You never hear that around here, do you? SMH
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)This time last year, the "smart" people were saying that Obama was done, that South Carolina blacks would vote for Hillary Clinton who they knew and trusted over the elitist, biracial orator from Illinois via Hawaii. In the end, Bill Clinton went a tad too far in tarnishing Obama and black people in South Carolina overwhelmingly rejected Hillary.
I don't know if Sanders has an ace in the hole--though if he does it will likely be working class whites. Whether that will be enough to counter her strength among African-Americans, I don't know.
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(1,198 posts)bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)a trustworthiness-voter ace in the hole.
That's 4 aces. Not a bad hand.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Based on demographics and polls, Sanders needs to beat the projections in the right column to win the nomination. So far, after 3 states, he is behind those projections. He needs a very good day on the 27th and March 1st to get back on track. If he doesn't start hitting and bettering those marks, the oods get longer and longer.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)He's got the liberals, he's got the youth but it's those blue collar guys, the "Reagan Democrats" that could turn the tide for him. The problem is that he's competing for these voters with the Donald. Hopefully enough will be repelled by Trump's evident racism to swing to Bernie.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)When Trump goes into the convention with a plurality of delegates but Rubio comes out with the nomination, the third of the Reagan Democrats who currently support Trump will flock to join the 2/3rds of Reagan Democrats who currently support Sanders.
It is general election catnip.
Clinton gets zero.point.zero of these votes.
We'll see how strong these blue collar voters are for Sanders in three weeks when we get past the Super Red State Tuesday primary where they crave Clinton third way centrist bullshit.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Those smart enough to know their jobs are on the line understand this. It's not just a wall street issue, though distinctly tied. The difference being when you talk Wall Street to some, you're talking retirement or investments. Vs. today's reality, when I wake up tomorrow will my job be here or sent to Mexico or Asia, etc.
Many of these people have already amongst those hit the hardest from the crash. Or they're surrounded by friends and family that have been. All they have left, if they're lucky (especially in the rust belt), are their jobs. There are only two candidates that don't support TPP, unless I'm mistaken. Sanders and Trump.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)That those who support Clinton are not Democrats.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)There can be no doubt about their party affiliation.
They just owe their affiliation more to dynasty or centrism within their party than to the ideologically motivated wing of the party.
I'd rather break bread with a Clintonist dynasty Democrat or a centrist Democrat over any species of Republican any day of the week.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The Iraq War was the worst foreign policy mistake this country has made in the past 50 years.
And we are still there, fighting in Iraq.
But, the media doesn't report about the Iraq War anymore.
Or about the war in Afghanistan, either.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thats his core but guess what, they are not the base of the democratic party anymore.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)By a wide margin, maybe as much as 5 points.
Hillary just blew a 34-point lead in that state.
Bernie will also win in Idaho, Washington, Wyoming, and Utah because Hillary lost in those Western states in 2008.
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Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I cannot attest to what you heard.
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(1,198 posts)Attorney in Texas
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Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Attorney in Texas.