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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:58 PM Feb 2016

Sanders beat projections in Iowa and New Hampshire, and fought a closer race in Nevada than Obama

versus Clinton in 2008.

This story that the Sanders movement or its supporters have "failed" is nonsensical crap.

Let's not forget, the DNC rigged the debates to cut off Jim Webb and Lincoln Chafee and Lawrence Lessig at their knees before the Iowa caucus. Martin O'Malley's candidacy survived but was mortally wounded by this gamesmanship. Sanders thrived despite these shenanigans.

Sanders was down by 55% a year before Iowa's caucus, down by 15% just a month before the caucus, and was down by over 5% on the day of the caucus:



The high priests of the establishment's conventional wisdom crowned Clinton with over a 70% chance of winning:



Sanders beat the shit out of those conventional expectations. The difference was a tiny fraction of one percent (the tightest caucus in history) and only a two voter-allocated-delegate distinction.

In New Hampshire, the success was even more dramatic. Sanders was 40% behind a year before the election, 7% ahead a month before the primary, and 14% ahead on primary day:



Sanders -- again -- crushed this projection with the actual vote by beating Clinton with a 22% margin and by winning 15 voter-allocated-delegates to Clinton's 9 (Sanders victory was beyond the maximum projected by the establishment's wisdom and Clinton's failure was worse than even their worst case scenarios).

Clinton's campaign had long bragged that ethnic voters in Nevada would make that state her firewall. In 2008, Clinton beat Obama by 5.7%. The polls had Sanders down by 55% a year before the caucus, down 13% a month before the caucus, and down by 3.5% on the day of the caucus:



Yet again, the Clinton campaign came with a pocketful of gamesmanship and shenanigans. Despite this, Sanders fought to a closer percentage than Obama (5.3% in 2016 versus 5.7% in 2008).

The suggestion that the Sanders movement or its supporters are not turning out is bullshit. Don't believe it.

Over the next 50 days, 31 more states will vote. Sanders has an excellent chance at winning a majority of those states (including Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Vermont, Kansas, Nebraska, Maine, Michigan, Alaska, Wisconsin, Idaho, Washington, Wyoming, Utah, Hawaii, and Arizona). There are a number of additional states that look very close so this list could grow.

Hillary was the first lady of Arkansas and her husband is beloved in his native Arkansas so expect her to do well in states that border Arkansas. Also, Clinton performs best in the old Southern Confederacy states that vote Republican in the general election. There are a lot of Arkansas-bordering states and Southern Confederacy red states on the calendar from February 28 to March 1. Expect Clinton to do well in these Southern Confederacy red states (but expect Sanders to do well in Colorado (Sanders 49%; Clinton 43%), Massachusetts (Sanders 49%; Clinton 42%), Minnesota (there isn't recent polling but a poll a month ago indicated a margin-of-error race and Sanders is a 2-to-1 favorite in the betting markets), and Vermont (Sanders 86%; Clinton 10%).

After the Southern Confederacy red states, there is a batch of 8 states from March 22 to April 9, and Sanders could easily go 8-for-8 during this stretch.

Keep up the hope. Keep up the faith. Keep up the fight.

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Sanders beat projections in Iowa and New Hampshire, and fought a closer race in Nevada than Obama (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
Ah, but Obama 'played the game' in Nevada, and came away with more delegates than Hillary. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #1
I love when the Clinton apologists distinguish 2008 by pointing out how bad she Vote2016 Feb 2016 #18
You silly, you thought because it is named the 'Democratic' party that it might actually ... GoneFishin Feb 2016 #28
AND GIVE GIVE GIVE !!!!!!!!!! pangaia Feb 2016 #2
I think you missed a GIVE!!!!!!!! Vote2016 Feb 2016 #16
Bernie's my candidate. It's Donation O'Clock and GOTV O'Clock. merrily Feb 2016 #3
It's now past donation:30 and close to a quarter 'til phonebank o'clock! Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #6
keep up the fight! kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #4
double the fight Vote2016 Feb 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #5
Why do you have to do that? CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #12
Looks like they don't like being called on it: NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #17
just trying to avoid nominating a candidate we KNOW the voters don't trust. Vote2016 Feb 2016 #19
+100 workinclasszero Feb 2016 #35
so you're +100 on a post even the author recanted on? tell us something, right? Vote2016 Feb 2016 #44
Ummm... Have you actually read any pro-Hillary thread. Pot. Kettle. Adrahil Feb 2016 #22
That's their job. It's just business. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #29
The day? This gets me through April 9. I hope Sanders can get us past the risk of nominating the Vote2016 Feb 2016 #8
Nevada will go down as the beginning of the end workinclasszero Feb 2016 #34
K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #10
Consensus gels that the delegate math is not in Bernie's favor Gothmog Feb 2016 #11
yeah, that same consensus arose just about this time in 2008. yawn Vote2016 Feb 2016 #14
No, it wasn't. Adrahil Feb 2016 #23
Gee I hope you don't get a hide for showing actual facts on this board workinclasszero Feb 2016 #36
I think though that Obama had one ace in the hole. That was his race. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #13
Sanders' ace in the hole is the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. Vote2016 Feb 2016 #15
Those folks, and I'm one of them are with him already. He needs more to win. nt bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #20
Sanders also has a blue collar ace in the hole, an under 50 ace in the hole, and Vote2016 Feb 2016 #21
But maybe not enough. See this Adrahil Feb 2016 #25
I do think that it's the white blue collar male voters who could save him. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #26
I think the RNC is working as hard to stop Trump as the DNC is trying to stop Sanders Vote2016 Feb 2016 #30
TPP will be the working class firewall Kittycat Feb 2016 #39
Ah yes, more intimations.... Adrahil Feb 2016 #24
Clinton supporters are Democrats just like Jeb supporters Republicans. Vote2016 Feb 2016 #31
No, Obama won primarily because he spoke out against the Iraq War. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #33
"I don't know if Sanders has an ace in the hole--though if he does it will likely workinclasszero Feb 2016 #38
Thank You For Setting The Record Straight cantbeserious Feb 2016 #27
Bernie will win in Massachusetts easily. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #32
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Unless it's not spandex, yes. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #41
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agreed! she is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory Vote2016 Feb 2016 #43
Looks that way doesn't it? Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #37
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #45

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Ah, but Obama 'played the game' in Nevada, and came away with more delegates than Hillary.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

Despite getting fewer votes. And according to Hillary supporters, that's what really matters, just getting those few extra delegates, even if you do it in undemocratic ways.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
18. I love when the Clinton apologists distinguish 2008 by pointing out how bad she
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

was in 2008 as if she learned on think from her crushing loss.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
28. You silly, you thought because it is named the 'Democratic' party that it might actually ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:38 AM
Feb 2016

be democratic.

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)
4. keep up the fight!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:07 PM
Feb 2016

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CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
7. Why do you have to do that?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:38 PM
Feb 2016

What is it about some Hillary Clinton supporters, that they have to pour cold water on Sanders supporters?

They do this, especially when we're feeling bad about a loss or when things aren't looking so hot.

"Whatever gets you through the day" and "Whistling past the Sanders graveyard doesn't help" ...real kind.

I know of very few places in the universe where this isn't called bullying.

It's like you can't wait to wander into one of our threads where we're trying to be positive--and crap all over everything.

Why do some people get off on acting like mean sorority girls?

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NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
17. Looks like they don't like being called on it:
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016
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Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
8. The day? This gets me through April 9. I hope Sanders can get us past the risk of nominating the
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:54 PM
Feb 2016

least trusted, most unfavorably perceived, smuggest Democratic candidate ever to guarantee a Republican presidency EVER

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
34. Nevada will go down as the beginning of the end
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:02 AM
Feb 2016

For Bernie's campaign.

His supporters can't face that yet.

Saturday In SC will reinforce the reality.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
11. Consensus gels that the delegate math is not in Bernie's favor
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:07 PM
Feb 2016

Good luck with the math. In the real world, most people do not believe that the math works in Sanders favor.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/bernie_youre_done_following_nevada_loss_pundits_rush_to_write_sanders_campaign_obits/

But Bernie’s admission belies the foundation of the growing consensus among political pundits following the Nevada caucus: It’s basically over for Sanders. Noting both the delegate count and the coalition (or lacktherof) Sanders’ has amassed, many political observers have returned to calling the Democratic presidential primary an inevitable win for Clinton — even if it hasn’t turned out to be quite the coronation:

New York Times


Noting the amassed delegate math in Clinton’s favor, so far, the Times reports that “the odds of [Sanders] overtaking her growing increasingly remote”:

Mrs. Clinton has 502 delegates to Mr. Sanders’s 70; 2,383 are needed to win the nomination. These numbers include delegates won in state contests and superdelegates, who can support any candidate. She is likely to win a delegate jackpot from the overwhelmingly black and Hispanic areas in the Southern-dominated Super Tuesday primaries on March 1, when 11 states will vote and about 880 delegates will be awarded.

Since delegates are awarded proportionally based on vote tallies in congressional districts and some other areas, only blowout victories yield large numbers of delegates. And Mrs. Clinton is better positioned than Mr. Sanders to win big in more delegate-rich districts, like those carved out to ensure minority Democrats in Congress, where she remains popular.

Slate

“Barring a catastrophe,” Slate’s Jamelle Bouie wrote, Clinton’s “nomination is inevitable” again.

“This doesn’t mean the campaign is over,” Bouie was quick to note, adding that “Sanders is still a formidable candidate.”

“But the uncertainty that has defined the race since New Hampshire is over for the time being. Clinton still has her advantage with black and Latino voters, and in a Democratic primary, that is dispositive,” he concludes.

The fact that Sanders has given up on South Carolina is not a good sign
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
23. No, it wasn't.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:11 AM
Feb 2016

Around this time, Obama was anout to have a very good stretch of voctories in the South.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
36. Gee I hope you don't get a hide for showing actual facts on this board
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:11 AM
Feb 2016
"Mrs. Clinton has 502 delegates to Mr. Sanders’s 70"

You never hear that around here, do you? SMH

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
13. I think though that Obama had one ace in the hole. That was his race.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:41 PM
Feb 2016

This time last year, the "smart" people were saying that Obama was done, that South Carolina blacks would vote for Hillary Clinton who they knew and trusted over the elitist, biracial orator from Illinois via Hawaii. In the end, Bill Clinton went a tad too far in tarnishing Obama and black people in South Carolina overwhelmingly rejected Hillary.

I don't know if Sanders has an ace in the hole--though if he does it will likely be working class whites. Whether that will be enough to counter her strength among African-Americans, I don't know.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
21. Sanders also has a blue collar ace in the hole, an under 50 ace in the hole, and
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:04 AM
Feb 2016

a trustworthiness-voter ace in the hole.

That's 4 aces. Not a bad hand.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
25. But maybe not enough. See this
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:26 AM
Feb 2016
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanderss-path-to-the-nomination/

Based on demographics and polls, Sanders needs to beat the projections in the right column to win the nomination. So far, after 3 states, he is behind those projections. He needs a very good day on the 27th and March 1st to get back on track. If he doesn't start hitting and bettering those marks, the oods get longer and longer.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
26. I do think that it's the white blue collar male voters who could save him.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:28 AM
Feb 2016

He's got the liberals, he's got the youth but it's those blue collar guys, the "Reagan Democrats" that could turn the tide for him. The problem is that he's competing for these voters with the Donald. Hopefully enough will be repelled by Trump's evident racism to swing to Bernie.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
30. I think the RNC is working as hard to stop Trump as the DNC is trying to stop Sanders
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:52 AM
Feb 2016

When Trump goes into the convention with a plurality of delegates but Rubio comes out with the nomination, the third of the Reagan Democrats who currently support Trump will flock to join the 2/3rds of Reagan Democrats who currently support Sanders.

It is general election catnip.

Clinton gets zero.point.zero of these votes.

We'll see how strong these blue collar voters are for Sanders in three weeks when we get past the Super Red State Tuesday primary where they crave Clinton third way centrist bullshit.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
39. TPP will be the working class firewall
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:33 AM
Feb 2016

Those smart enough to know their jobs are on the line understand this. It's not just a wall street issue, though distinctly tied. The difference being when you talk Wall Street to some, you're talking retirement or investments. Vs. today's reality, when I wake up tomorrow will my job be here or sent to Mexico or Asia, etc.

Many of these people have already amongst those hit the hardest from the crash. Or they're surrounded by friends and family that have been. All they have left, if they're lucky (especially in the rust belt), are their jobs. There are only two candidates that don't support TPP, unless I'm mistaken. Sanders and Trump.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
31. Clinton supporters are Democrats just like Jeb supporters Republicans.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:58 AM
Feb 2016

There can be no doubt about their party affiliation.

They just owe their affiliation more to dynasty or centrism within their party than to the ideologically motivated wing of the party.

I'd rather break bread with a Clintonist dynasty Democrat or a centrist Democrat over any species of Republican any day of the week.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
33. No, Obama won primarily because he spoke out against the Iraq War.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

The Iraq War was the worst foreign policy mistake this country has made in the past 50 years.
And we are still there, fighting in Iraq.

But, the media doesn't report about the Iraq War anymore.
Or about the war in Afghanistan, either.


 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
38. "I don't know if Sanders has an ace in the hole--though if he does it will likely
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:15 AM
Feb 2016
..be working class whites."

Thats his core but guess what, they are not the base of the democratic party anymore.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
32. Bernie will win in Massachusetts easily.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:46 AM
Feb 2016

By a wide margin, maybe as much as 5 points.

Hillary just blew a 34-point lead in that state.

Bernie will also win in Idaho, Washington, Wyoming, and Utah because Hillary lost in those Western states in 2008.



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