2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes anyone out there believe that white people can be misled?
I never could get an answer to that question on this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1312465
Of course the obvious answer is yes and the people that I questioned knew it and as that's the case why is it such a sin to argue that black or brown people can be mislead without having people bringing "plantations," "disgusting thread' and other racist dogma into the mix?
Many of the same posters that were most upset by the above thread had no qualms in labeling Bernie's good run in Iowa or New Hampshire on those states as being based on their overwhelmingly large white populations.
It makes no difference whether you're black, brown, red, white or yellow, any race, tribe, cult or nationality can be mislead, to prohibit someone from making a logical, or reasoned argument to that effect based on the race of the arguer greatly diminishes our democracy.
forest444
(5,902 posts)And the Republican Party is proof of that.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)government.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Blacks and Latinos deciding to vote for a candidate you don't like.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Because your lies become the new truth.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)bought into the bullshit around the Iraq War.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice helped in that endeavor along with the overwhelming support of the corporate media conglomerates.
Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link
WASHINGTON (AP) Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country.
Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. A majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it's likely Saddam was involved.
The belief in the connection persists even though there has been no proof of a link between the two.
President Bush and members of his administration suggested a link between the two in the months before the war in Iraq. Claims of possible links have never been proven, however.
Veteran pollsters say the persistent belief of a link between the attacks and Saddam could help explain why public support for the decision to go to war in Iraq has been so resilient despite problems establishing a peaceful country.
(snip)
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Pure and simple!
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)this election, they haven't changed.
They have perfected mass psychology to an art form after having spent tens of billions since the advent of television.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)that Hillary was shilling for it on the Senate floor.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)But you don't see news articles saying 'white people are being led into committing political hara-kiri' etc, etc.
It's condescending to talk like that about groups of people, about people of color. The backlash is justifiable. I wish Willy would delete that post. It's really awful.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)That is a talking point the right uses all the time. They always say that Dems lie and mislead PoC.
Here's the thing, that same line will be by the right if Bernie is the nominee. How are you (not you) going to look getting all offended and pissed.
That OP is awful. It would break my heart if my dad saw that.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)political Hari Kiri.
We have always said that the average white people supporting the Republicans are only working against their own best interests to put it mildly.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)manipulation.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)The corporate media conglomerates have literally spent billions of dollars on studies of how to manipulate the American People to buy their products and candidates.
The have perfected mass psychology to a fine art.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)This is NOT a logical follow up to that train wreck of a thread.
If folks are struggling THIS much with the concept at this point, then... just damn.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)And, whether Hillary wins or loses the election, the folks at Goldman Sachs et al need not ring any alarms on Wall Street. But, of course, that entails the Democratic crowning of Hillary as the nominee.
Never mind the primaries in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada! As of February 22, Hillary Clinton has an unmerited running start with 431 party superdelegates (vs. 16 for Bernie) of a 712 total, who have declared for her and which include 10 distinguished party leaders, 13 governors, 39 senators, 159 representatives and 210 DNC members. An undemocratic but legal way of stacking the deck against the gentleman from Vermont!
But the political machine doesnt just stop there; much of the tenured leadership in the Democratic Party, particularly that which represents the strong black and brown components of the partys membership, appears beholden to favoritism which often leads to bad decisions which in this presidential election represents a truly revolutionary and transformational change
One gets the feeling, however, that the best interests of both blacks and browns would not be served as well under a Clinton presidency, as they would be with Sanders in charge. And that much of the leadership in minority communities might be unintendingly promoting a continuance of the undesirable status quo which for all effects and purposes would be committing political hara-kiri.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1312465
But too many people want to get caught up on a word, "hara kiri" ultimately the author is arguing that whether Hillary gets elected or the Republicans the status quo will remain, major transformation will not take place, Wall Street will triumph and that's to the detriment particularly to black and brown people as they're for the most part on the lowest rung of the socio-economic ladder.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)were committing political hara kiri if they voted for Bernie.
Maybe I missed it.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)a major difference?
Donkees
(31,447 posts)Scientists have discovered the part of the brain that makes people gullible, it was claimed today. The findings could have massive implications for treating the growing number of people who fall wide-eyed for sensationalist media reports.
Professor Cristoph Morris, who led the research, said that a part of the brain called the inferior supra-credulus was unsually active in people with a tendency to believe horoscopes and papers invoking fancy brain scans. This correlation is so strong that we can speculate about a causal link with a high degree of certainty, he concluded.
Morris made his discovery using a brain-scanning technique called fluorescence magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), which can read peoples thoughts with an incredible degree of accuracy, just slightly better than chance. His results are published in the Journal of Evolutionary Psychoimagery.
When Morris studied individual neurons within the supra-credulus, he found that gullibility was associated with the activity of a single gene called WTF1. The less active it was, the more feckless people were. This fits with existing evidence, for faulty versions of WTF1 have already been linked to a higher risk of being Rickrolled and buying the Daily Mail. You could say that gullibility is in your genes, said Morris. Youd be shatteringly wrong, but that wouldnt matter to gullible people.
The researchers described their discovery as the holy grail of behavioural neurogenetics. Morris explains, Its a real breakthrough. It means that we can fire a magic bullet right into the heart of sensationalist media stories. We can develop vaccines that stop people from buying things on the grounds that the packaging has a smiling farmer on it or that theyre endorsed by the cretin who may or may not have lost Big Brother.
Morris has been collaborating with nutritionist Patricia Marber to develop just such as vaccine. Together, the duo found that they could completely stop the activity of neurons in the supra-credulus by smashing them with a giant hammer.
We think that the iron in the hammers is somehow suppressing WTF1 in a way that stops nerve signalling in the supra-credulus, explains Marber. We might need some clinical trials to check that the hammers are effective and to work out any side effects, but you go right ahead and write your headline. Say something about Thor. Everyone likes Thor.
Its not like the people who need the treatment will question it, she added.
The fMRI scans also revealed that the supra-credulus was more active in the brains of women than in men. Evolutionary psychologist Stephan Koogin, who also worked on the study, thinks he knows why.
Picture, if you will, a group of Pleistocene-Americans. The men are out hunting for mammoths and bears, and they cant afford to be fooled by fake tracks. The women stayed at home picking berries or something, and they needed to tell each other far-fetched stories to keep each other entertained, because berries are really boring. Sounds reasonable, doesnt it? Assuming all of this is true, and whos to say it isnt, Im right.
blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/04/01/scientists-discover-gene-and-part-of-brain-that-make-people-gullible/#.VsvSyVsrLnB
DoBotherMe
(2,340 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Rhetorical question, of course.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)or just incredibly cynical.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)to "The problem with the Negro..."
A little too close, really.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)corporate media conglomerates manipulating and brainwashing the American People for at least 35 years if not more.
They know how to divide the people by race, gender, region, culture, sexual orientation, religion or lack thereof to keep a rough balance of two corporate elements in power.
They know how to play every card in the book, how to establish frames long before they're needed and how to keep them running.
They play those cards most often when someone challenges their narrow, self-serving, economic billionaire self interests and they don't give a damn about the average American regardless of race when that's threatened.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)They're very good. Well organized. Well connected. Well funded. They play the long game.
TNProfessor
(83 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)he wrote that headline
He owns it
And yes, based upon voting trends amongst whites in the south, yes whites can also most definitely be misled
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)their highest democratic ideals in pursuit of corporate mega-bucks.
They have come to a "gentlemen's agreement" with the Republican Party to roughly split the nation along cultural lines at the expense of the peoples' economic health to the oligarchs benefit.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Donkees
(31,447 posts)3 Hour Documentary explaining a portion of the information about media censorship, consolidation and propaganda.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I recognized his interview here, in which he points out as a member of the House EVERY THING HE'S SAYING TODAY.
I also appreciate this long view (I cleaned my entire house and ran chores intermittently) of the MEDIA.
Take home message: The biggest lobby in Washington, D.C. is the media itself. Makes PERFECT sense.
This is a MUST WATCH! Have you used it as an OP?
Donkees
(31,447 posts)The full documentary is available in segments...