2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPredictwise -HRC 89% to win nomination/57% to win presidency
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cali
(114,904 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Oh, thanx for kickin my thread,
panader0
(25,816 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The peer reviewed research suggests asking voters who they think will win is the best predictor of electoral success, ergo:
Simple surveys that ask people who they expect to win are among the most
accurate methods for forecasting U.S. presidential elections
https://forecasters.org/wp-content/uploads/gravity_forms/7-2a51b93047891f1ec3608bdbd77ca58d/2013/07/Graefe_vote_expectations_ISF.pdf
Studies of prediction market accuracy for election forecasting commonly compare the
daily market forecasts to results from polls published the same day. These studies generally find
that prediction markets yield more accurate forecasts than single polls.
https://forecasters.org/wp-content/uploads/gravity_forms/7-2a51b93047891f1ec3608bdbd77ca58d/2013/07/Graefe_vote_expectations_ISF.pdf
Hillary Clinton is a 10/11 favorite at the offshore betting sites and the VT senator is a 7-1 underdog
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner
If you bet on Hillary you have to put up $1,100 to win $1,000.00
If you bet on Bernie you have to put up $145.00 to win $1,000.00.
The efficacy of polls nine months out in predicting a general election winner is essentially null:
intend to vote if the election were held today. That is, polls do not provide predictions; they
provide snapshots of public opinion at a certain point in time. However, this is not how the
media commonly treat polls. Polling results are routinely interpreted as forecasts of what will
happen on Election Day (Hillygus 2011). This can result in poor predictions, in particular if the
election is still far away, because public opinion can be difficult to measure and fragile over the
course of a campaign. However, researchers found ways to deal with these problems and to
increase the accuracy of poll-based predictions
https://forecasters.org/wp-content/uploads/gravity_forms/7-2a51b93047891f1ec3608bdbd77ca58d/2013/07/Graefe_vote_expectations_ISF.pdf
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Cruz, maybe. Rubio, Kasich, no way in hell.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank you in advance.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)cannot stand hugs.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Whoa dude...ease up
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)cannot stand hugs.
Sociological studies suggest that children who were deprived of touch as children are harmed and that harm continues to manifest itself all through life.
panader0
(25,816 posts)You need a nap.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I remain skeptical, and that is even without any more shoes dropping from the FBI, etc.
iloveObama12
(421 posts)Hillary Clinton / Bernie "Prime Time" Sanders 2016
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)In this thread.
Get a grip folks.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Bernie does MUCH better in the GE than Hillary. That's the real grip.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What about Saturday? Or after super tuesday or months from now?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)thank you in advance.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The teahaddists are only speaking to their true believers right now. Not the general public.
Lots of voters have no idea how radical Trump and Cruz for instance really are.
When the general starts Trump is going to have to explain to the general public his terrible racist plans to round up Hispanic folks, build a giant billion dollar wall and somehow deport 8 million or so people.
Cruz will have to explain to the general public why God almighty himself anointed him to be president and set up a theocracy in America. Also he will have to explain why he is even eligible to run for president seeing as how he was born in a foreign country.
And thats just the tip of the iceberg with these lunatics.
The public is going to react in horror to these fools and run to Hillary or Bernie if he gets the nod, to save us from these republican monsters.
IMO of course.
oasis
(49,398 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Has no idea how radical the republicans are at this time.
And the tea party loons will not let Trump or Cruz back off the insanity in the GE.
It's going to be an interesting race and God help us if the democrats don't win it.
oasis
(49,398 posts)put together a kick ass public relations campaign.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The republicans are already vowing to not appoint any justice the president puts up.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And it's a meager shot at that.
Trump is the disaster that will kill the Republican party for a generation.
www.ciafront.com
(13 posts)While Clinton has won the first two caucuses in the Democratic race while losing New Hampshire, the only primary its possible that Bernie Sanders will win every state caucus from here on out.
Heres why I say that. The remaining Democratic states to hold caucuses are: Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Minnesota, Nebraska, Washington and Wyoming. Other than Hawaii where Im not going to pretend we have any earthly idea whats going to happen those are a bunch of really white states that otherwise look favorable for Sanders and which he could win even if he slightly trails Clinton nationally. ~Nate Silver
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It's disappointing to see that Trump and he are tied, but prediction markets are extremely bad this far out, they only get better closer to the election, 3 months out they'll get more accurate.
My guess is that the votes split two ways between Rubio and Cruz, with Trump gaining the lions share the whole way. He's going to walk into the nomination and the Republican party is going to be at a loss for words. Attempting to broker the thing will result almost certainly in a Trump third party run.
oasis
(49,398 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)How do you predict THIS election cycle? Were PPP and others prepared for Trump? or Sanders? Did anyone see this coming when the common wisdom maintained Hillary and Jeb were the shoe-ins for the nominations?
I think not. That is why I take Silver and the others with a grain of salt. If major league baseball changed the rules in 2017 so each team had eleven players in their batting order, how would the sportscasters predict what the winner of the World Series would be?
Ditto, this election.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)Hillary Clinton will probably win the presidency. Trump simply has alienated too many groups of people.
If you put Clinton up against McCain of 2008 or Romney of 2012, she loses. But she's hit the lotto with this group of insane GOP candidates.
flamingdem
(39,316 posts)They just can't win for losing, but then again there are downticket races we need to win too..
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Your statement is fact free. Just like climate change deniers, you base your statement that Hillary will win without any regard to actual data.
In polling for months now, Bernie wins against EVERY GOP candidate, but Hillary LOSES against every GOP candidate. In the latest Quinnipiac poll the only one she got more was Trump and it was 1 point higher. In that poll she ever lost to BUSH!
Whereas, as usual, Sanders beat all of them, beating Trump by 6 points.
So, if you're trying to make the "electability" argument, you might want to get out of the MSM/Hillary bubble and look at the facts.
vadermike
(1,416 posts)Hillary got lucky thankfully If it was against McCain Romney or Rubio she would lose IMO but against trump she hit the lotto
Gothmog
(145,481 posts)I have been following Predictwise for some time.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)after Hillary's huge win that's coming this Saturday in SC
99% to win possibly?
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Gothmog
(145,481 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Or WhishfullThinking? Is it a right wing group? They got it backwards. Hillary will lose the general election if she is our candidate. They aren't very good at predicting.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)http://predictwise.com/faq/
Respectfully, your logic is flawed. If you believe a predictions market "is a right wing group" there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
BTW, predictwise assigns the Golden State Warriors the highest probability of winning the NBA championship:
http://predictwise.com/sports/
Is that a left wing or "right wing" prediction?
Thank you in advance.
beaglelover
(3,488 posts)our next POTUS!!! GO HILLARY!!!