A high five to you nonetheless!

Nonetheless, corporate interests plant the fertile seeds of corrupting money wherever they can find a willing host.

we live in a new world, where "The People v The Powerful" is the real war.

We have bi-partisan corruption, and only one direction to move forward and reaffirm our democracy.

But should she win, there will be moments where her priorities align with yours and mine, and when those moments come, her strengths, her ability, her establishment prowess, will all work to compel a high five or two from me. I have no doubt. Is it an impossibility in your case?

I'm saying this as someone who will be heartbroken if Bernie loses the nomination to her.

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But the flip side of what I was saying above is, there will be moments in a Sanders presidency that will be unspeakably unjust. We can say there will be fewer of them, but that there will be zero is hard to believe. Would one example like the above justify us in believing none of his other presidential achievements matter?

We'd have to have zero high fives for Obama in that case, and in my view he's deserved some.

I think Bernie's judgment is excellent, but it's too thick a precedent for me to easily imagine its evaporation.

She stands for too much that I am against to even have my begrudging respect, let alone getting a high five from me. She effectively blew that bridge to hell before I even thought about torches.

Either none of them can earn your respect (and some of them certainly shouldn't), or their particular inhuman acts are just not as big a deal as Hillary's to your mind. By my accounting, there isn't a single one without at least several major stains on his legacy, at least proportional to those on Hillary's. You could expand this to Secretaries of State as well, but of course they serve at the pleasure of the president.

For the worst of these acts there can be no real defense or justification, so I won't offer any, but at what point do they wipe out all positive achievements in your view?

And honestly, were Sanders not running, especially after all of the effort I put in during 2012 only to have the grassroots effort I was in more or less yanked out from under my feet? I'd be completely cynical, wouldn't care about the country going through the Roman death spiral, and would be planning for expatriation as soon as my military service is over with. Unlike the precious few politicians I respect, I find no perspective to possibly pardon Hillary for the things she's supported.

I cannot in good conscience, as someone who raised his right hand and swore to protect the country and constitution, vote for a profiteering interventionist.

The doom and gloom crowd is already here!

Much as some here seem to love the horse race of the Primary, the goal is to decide upon a candidate who can unite Democrats, and then deliver a resounding message that will unite Americans. I happen to believe that Bernie is the candidate with the best potential. From your avatar, I surmise that you think Hillary can do the job. I hope that at least one of us is right, because if the candidate to win the nomination fails at task #2, then it's hellooooo President Trump.

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It just shouldn't have happened within our own party.

These two should have been on opposite sides of the GE. Now that would have been something else! Instead, it looks like Trump will be the unlikely champion of the party of no soul...and our own party will have to choose whether it has one or not.

Why has she made so many terrible mistakes?

This whole election thing is boring to her- she wanted to skip right over it to getting in office and "getting things done."

I think what it all boils down to is that none of us are people to her- we are just a required commodity she needs to win over for the moment (and what an irritation that is!). She gaffes because she is unable to care.

the Iraq War speech and vote.

Yes the campaign is poorly run too, but that was not my point.

It's all profitable to her. She probably believes in it too, but who could possibly know?

No, her actions have and will continue to cause untold damage around the world, but for her, it's Tuesday. She and Bill have profited hugely from selling their souls to the Bush Family.

So let's get this little townhall or photo op over with so she can be on her way.

I couldn't agree with you more. Both of them work for me, and I will support the nominee no matter which one wins.

Your mileage may vary, but I hold him accountable for:

The F35. I'm Air Force, and it's honestly galling that so many of our leaders support a failed swiss-army-knife of a project, especially when the A-10 is easily the best CAS frame we have.

The second is PoC outreach; which admittedly I'm not sure how to solve. While I support the man, at some point, raving and frothing about his civil rights record from 50 years ago gets old; what's he been doing in the meantime.

The third is the nuclear mess he got into in Vermont; but I still need to do more research on that before I come to a hard and fast decision on it.

I think "incorruptible" high fives would still be warranted.

"he did it 50 years ago and literally nothing else" gets trotted out as often as it has been by Camp Weathervane, not only does a guy start wishing his candidate was trying a little harder; but he starts believing that's literally the only civil rights ammunition that the opposition has.

But like I said. Your mileage may vary.

Sanders was not a pusher of the F35. He has very honestly stated that he did not favor it, but since it was a done deal, he wanted to at least bring some of the jobs to vermont.

Poc Outreach. He's got his hands full introducing himself to all of America, including PoC. He's doing the best he can , but there arte only so many hours in a day.

If you are referring to the nuclear waste mess. A nuclear dump in Vermont might not onloy contiminate his state, but also bleed ointo the water systems of the Huidson, Housatonic and other rivers, and near the water supply for Boston. It could contaminate New York City, Albany, Boston and millions of otehr people in the northeast....He was against nuclear, but something has to be done with that shit...Outer space would be preferable I guess.

She sure loves to play the victim. I'm sticking with the unicorn shepherd.

I agree campaign play-acting is not a good look for anyone. But enduring what she has endured from her enemies typically means never looking good again, forever. After all of it, her political survival is incredible.

Now it's not in every way ideal if you oppose so much of what she represents, but in my view the sheer toughness of it is palpable. Could we agree the millions of Democrats her survival inspires, or the millions of conservatives it drives to madness, earns a high five?

An honest politician giving her a run for her money. Its not quite as big an accomplishment to survive politically when you have wealth and roll around in the mud. She has big money propping her up. Bernie Sanders has the power of the people. That is incredible.

But Hillary's survival in the face of conservative America's united hatred, with the added disadvantage of societal misogyny, is still extremely impressive to me.

I will also give a high five out to Martin O'Malley and his supporters too. I think his emphasis on urban areas and his optimistic tone are also a great beacon that we can and will make this a better country for all. It's my hope that younger people who have brought so much enthusiasm to this democratic primary will continue being involved locally and help change their areas county by county.