Anything not positive and supportive is clearly negative and insulting. Facts are nasty that way.

supportive of their opponent.

How does 'Vote For Me Because I Support Hillary' win one an election?

Pretty stupid if you ask me.

Putting the facts out there about one's opponent is not going negative. If the opponent can't handle the facts - it's their problem - maybe because the truth hurts.

That's why some candidates lie or bend the truth to their advantage about themselves.

Going negative is not telling the truth. It is not stating the facts. Going negative is doctoring sound bites or pictures of your opponent. It is dirty tricks at the polling place or voting booths and countless other things that are meant to deceive, confuse or fool the voters.

I forgot the sarcasm tag apparently, I'm goofing on the fact that when you state a fact about Hillary that isn't great, you're instantly being insulting or negative or anti-woman, because to a certain kind, ANY criticism is extreme, disgusting, and entirely unacceptable. Hence "Not positive and supportive = negative evil and hateful". I aint saying it's sensible or even, I'm saying it's that perspective.
Reminds me of diehard literalist christians, if you're not with the text of the bible, you're the devil.

to a post in the Hillary Group from which I'm banned from responding to.

I might be a it disgusted by the same set of posts, something along the line of 'can't wait until after hillary wins and the admins make some changes around here'?

Or just change my sigline to "The beatings will continue until Stockholm Syndrome sets in."

Her followers clearly have this condition.

These statements that PoC and others can't think for themselves are the ones we like to keep kicked for all to see.

The problem is, they're being fed misinformation...okay, lies...about how Bernie might as well be wearing a sheet and a hood, just because he's from Vermont and *gasp!* WHITE PEOPLE show up at his rallies!

Then they're fed more lies about how Bernie supposedly doesn't care about civil rights, when he was on the front lines of that revolution while Hillary was a Goldwater girl. Sure, the truth eventually comes out...but a lie is halfway around the world by the time truth puts on its boots.

In other words, PoC support of HRC doesn't mean she's a great candidate. It just means she's been really effective at decieving people into voting against their own self-interests.

I have opinions too. See how that works?

Um...no. Plenty of Gen X'ers and their Silent parents are feeling the Bern, too!

Break hard for Bernie. That's right in the middle of the GenX field. Glad to be one of them.

They would sooner we all just go away and stop talking.

"negative campaigning bucket" as mentioning Whitewater or Monica. ANYTHING. Evidently she was to be treated reverently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/26/the-13-words-you-cant-write-about-hillary-clinton-anymore/

Blatant sexual name calling? I stand up for Clinton or any other woman every time, but when it's a description that can be applied to a man, game on. That's equality, learn to cope.

Debbie thinks so, and we must bow to her immaculate judgement.

Sure, she'll find her lost slipper, but the carriage will still go back to being a pumpkin, the 6 white horses will turn back in to white mice, and she'll have to go back to work for her evil stepmother.

Oh, boo-hoody, hoo-hoo.

I feels so sorry for her.

My apologies that you read things there, I'm too weak.

"I don't give 'em hell, I just tell 'em the truth and they think it's hell"

You aren't allowed to criticize or question something or someone who is getting crammed down your throat. Just accept the ordained one and shut up like a good little lemming.

Yet no one calls her out on any of the bullshit she's been pulling lately.

Keep blowing ir

They have two positions on everything like this -- 1) "it is wrong and we need to get unaccountable money out of politics" and then 2) "everyone else does it so we would be a yuuuge disadvantage if we didn't"

Tiresome one-note attack line? Yeah, but that's politics.

I don't know about anybody else but their name calling isn't going to put me off one little bit.

I'll tell those younger something I know from living a long time: when you've got a ruthless opportunistic predator like her down (including by proxy, by her surrogates), yes they will whine and plead, and act pathetic or put upon, that means whatever you're doing is working... you put your foot on their neck then and KEEP them down. Do not ever let a type like that get up again or you will regret it. Free advice. (metaphorical of course)

It's true in all contexts. Some people you can be nice to and some you can't because they read it as weakness and easy prey, and you have to know the difference. Never confuse the two.

Look, Boss!!! The WALL!

Until now, I have never been called a misogynistic racist one. That such an accusation comes out of the mouths of supporters of a blonde Caucasian woman is bitter icing on the white cake.

Having these people going on and on about how I'm racist, bigoted, misogynistic, or homophobic has gotten really fucking old. I'm almost starting to hope the party will split, because it's apparent that the HRC side will play identity politics until you don't fall in line, and then you're the scum of the earth.

No actual argument so they attack the speaker . They are simply unreasonable people and should be treated as such . You know yourself what you are and what some overly zealous identity politic acolyte thinks is irrelevant .

Who cares what they think in all honesty , just point out their lack of ability to engage in a rational discussion and let them throw a tantrum ...their problem in the end , not mine .

And apparently there are many bankers and stock brokers posting right here on the DU in support of Hillary.

Who knew?

Hillary 2016

Because I've Got Mine!

Who can/ would trust her?

His ties to Bain capital, etc? Anti Wall Street sentiment has been pretty high for years.

Tax Returns.....

with average Americans' views on Wall Street.

Clinton has become a Republican. Its time for Sanders to expose her. Just read where shes changing her opinion on abortion.

Always has been in my book.

Such a co-opting as to make the term meaningless. I'm proud to be prejudiced against banksters. My bigotry against financial vampires is a matter of honor. I will discriminate against people who foreclose on the poor like it's going out of style. Anyone who has a problem with that, in my view, is on the wrong side.

In the Hillary group OP (which I linked to in this OP)

I agree it was a foolish use of the term

I wouldn't insult you by insinuating you were the idiot that came up with such a drop-dead-stupid use of that term. I know you're just reporting what you see.

The Republicans were already planning on supporting their nominee with between $1.5 - $2 billion in financial support. Now that Justice Scalia has passed, I believe that support for the Republican nominee will exceed $2 billion. They will spend this kind of money so that they can reshape the Supreme Court. If they succeed in reshaping the Supreme Court, then Citizens United will be with us for a generation. This is not the time to place the Democratic nominee in financial handcuffs. This is not the election to find campaign finance religion. It could result in a Republican winning, a 7-2 Right leaning Court, Citizens United for a generation which would result in 100's of billions flooding into our political process. I want Hillary to raise every dollar she can get her hands on. Pushing campaign finance with the Supreme Court hanging in the balance is a whole lot of penny wise and pound foolish IMO.

1) What "fact" would be attempting to get the court to accept;
2) What evidence would you be giving?
Or are you simply opinionating?

Proof beyond reasonable doubt is not required. And with 82 % of primary voters an caucasers finding in favour of Sanders' credibilty and trustworthiness, I may guess what the verdict would be.

Clinton is a follower, not a leader, she is untrustworthy and she is a huge liability in the GE, if we are foolish enough to nominate her and her DINO-pack.

But you simply didn't address mine. And I might ask exactly the same questions of you.

1)

a - that Clinton has more Wall Street ties than Sanders
b - that too huge a part of the Democratic base is disenclined to support a candidate with that amount of Wall Street ties
c - that DU'ers in favour of Clinton do not like this to be pointed out
d - that therefore any utterance of and b is met with accusations of "dog whistle" and "sexism"

2)

a - compare their corporate sponsorship and frequency of their visits / speeches and so on, to Wall Street firms.
b - polls and anecdotal but aggregated information on social media
c - pretty much half of what the Hillary Clinton group writes, expecially the recent rants
d - the content of those recent posts.

It's a pretty good indication that the Wall St ties are a weakness. They will try to discredit it because they cannot disprove or debunk, they cannot let that argument stand.

But it's the truth, so..

yeah, i've noticed all along an acute difference in these back-and-forth accusations. from sanders, truths are registered, and the HRC camp calls them "artful smears." from HRC, artless smears are registered, and when the sanders camp points out they're not even close to true (e.g., stolen data, berniebros, '63 chicago photo scam, etcetcetc), they insist that they are despite all evidence to the contrary, and are then reduced to nothing more than whining that "they do it too."

this is so similar to '08 it makes me want to cry.

At least they had the wisdom to not tell me it was raining.

Stating facts is not a Rove strategy. Rove had states put gay marriage bans on their ballots to bring out their bigots. Gay marriage is to Wall Street corruption as the tooth fairy is to disease and sickness; one has a negative effect on people's lives, the other doesn't

Just like her co-founding the DLC with Koch Bros money, with the intent of making the party republican lite.

What Bernie will not say due to Obamas popularity is that Wall Street money did in fact by a whole lot more than policy in the current administration. It bought the Justice Department. Obama is on recorded of telling bankers early on "I am the only one standing between you and the pitchforks." Interpretation, "cede to more regulation and you will not be looking at Wall Street from a jail cell."
All one has to do is read about how the justice department cutt off at the knees courageous Wall Street whistle blowers like A Fleishmann and it is objectively clear exactly what Wall Street purchase from the Obama administration. To ignore this is like ignoring the sun comes up everyday. Clinton supporters choose to be blind to facts and they do this at their own peril.

Hillary is a sycophant for the ultra rich ... Period ...

sentence (implied) is "so I took it." It wasn't what they offered, it was what she demanded. Big fat six figure checks. No entity pays that kind of money for a speech in order to be raked over the coals by the speaker. For that money you tell them what they want to hear.

Her supporters can bitch all they want. She's in bed with crooks who destroyed people's lives and brought the economy to its knees. Her supporters don't want to talk about it. Tough shit. Shout it from the rooftops.

yeah first chance one gets before looking in a hate group is is it the Hillary Group. That group is all about hate. I can't go there was banned ages ago because I guess there's no such thing as free speech

the American public is in the mood to elect an untrustworthy status quo candidate despised by Republicans whose campaign slogan might as well be "No we can't. Now shut up and get in line." Good luck with that.

"During the primary, they fall in love; but during the general, they fall in line"??

Not my style or flavor. I don't vote for a label, I vote for issues.

transcripts are or could be a embarrassment........................

My candidate has said that he will release everything-----------------he doesn't have anything to hide..............

But she says that she wants "all" of the candidates to release there talks and luncheon get together--------------

How quait it doesn't make much sense to ask what "all" the republicans talk about with these fine outstanding folks, it always the same BS, taxes, taxes, and how the businesses are paying to much in taxes, and how the military industrial complex is to small, and other right wing "stuff"

I don't care what the republicans said, they use the same script everytime from the clown car.

I want to know what a democratic candidate running for the highest office in the country said and what she said at those 2013-2014 Goldman Sach's and Bank of America meetings.

Because it says and tells me, who was there and what she is going to present in her presidency for cabinet members if and that a big if, if she gets elected, when and if she stands behind that podium-------------------its real simple-------------tell us what was said ----------------------were waiting---------------and it's not going to go away----------it says everything about your candidacy ------the republicans will use it ----------------------



Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

That is her real Achilles heel, as Mook's meeting with her financial backers underlines.

To all those Clinton supporters here is a link that describes exactly what Wall Street bought from the Obama/Clinton administration. www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/a-whistleblowers-horror-story-201502218

Or, painting the White House red and calling it the New Kremlin.

"Hillary's integrity"...the only one damaging her integrity is Hillary herself. Aligning with Henry Kissinger and Goldman Sachs is hardly a way to maintain one's integrity. She needs no help from Bernie or anyone else, to shred her integrity. She's doing a fine job of it, alone.

I don't know why HRC supporters are whining about anything. Bernie has been treating her with kid gloves, compared to anyone in any other primary. Anyone else would've crucified her over the e-mail scandal, whereas Bernie basically told the press to shut up about it and focus on the issues...during a debate, no less. And that's just one example.

If Bernie loses the primary, it won't be for going negative. No, it will be for giving HRC far too many free passes.

They have always been soft on policy and vague on their reforms. They only adopt some of Bernie's points when it is convenient. Clinton changed her tune on the TPP and keystone a few weeks before the debates to knock those issues off the table. With more debates and more troubles she camoflages with more of the appearances of being similar to Bernie.

She will drop all of that the moment it is convenient and move right back to backing the policies on the Third Way website. If you want a real idea of how she will govern check out their website.

Tough luck for them. Clinton has Wall Street ties, and no amount of ovaries will make it any better.

and why I don't believe she can, or will, facilitate the change America desperately needs. She will NOT be a President for the 99% regardless of her campaign rhetoric; she can't.

... in the general election if we are so unfortunate as to have Hillary as the nominee.

Defending Wall Street and turning every single issue into a debate about women versus men is a recipe for an Electoral College defeat of epic proportions.

Hillaryism fully embraces Identity Politics and that will destroy the Democratic Party.

You know, that's a group from which I am proud to be banned. Thanks for the reality check!




for those who were curious and read it.

They use us to manipulate people so that they accept there's nothing wrong with taking all that cash, in fact, it's a good thing! Hillary supporters believe this; they really think Hillary is in no way influenced by Wall Street and her big money donors.

It's really fucked up when those of us fighting for democracy and true representation in our government are made out to be the bad guys.

the only question she asks is "how high?"

Facts are what facts are.

It's a fantasy to think his concerns with Secretary Clinton are in the same league with what Republicans have already drawn up. Not to mention the new ammo that keeps coming off the assembly line ...