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The Bernie Sanders movement is not a white male movement. (Original Post) mmonk Feb 2016 OP
49-year-old female here. RiverLover Feb 2016 #1
You are a woman? I thought you were all supposed to be Republicans (or third way as the kids say) Dragonfli Feb 2016 #13
LOL RiverLover Feb 2016 #16
+1 Kittycat Feb 2016 #26
Wait! Hill fans get upset if you mention "body parts!" senz Feb 2016 #53
It just looks like it because of all the white males in it ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #2
*snort* Recursion Feb 2016 #3
.... vdogg Feb 2016 #5
Cue the Youtube video of Black guy feeling the bern and Black female writing about her bern. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #6
Darnit, that's just what I was going to do. Gregorian Feb 2016 #11
Magical Recursion Feb 2016 #12
AA support for Bernie. angel123 Feb 2016 #19
PoC -- the P part? Good and bad -- like all P. senz Feb 2016 #64
???. That was deep ... I guess. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #68
As the Brits would say. iandhr Feb 2016 #7
Bullshit. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #8
Okay??? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #9
Please refer to this ongoing poll.... JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #10
Disclaimer: This is an Internet poll. JTFrog Feb 2016 #46
+1 CorkySt.Clair Feb 2016 #17
Whatever whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #27
??? Does that even make sense to you? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #60
Perfect sense whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #63
As is typical of the faithful ... You hear the criticism; but, ignore what I, and others, ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #65
You mean the synthetic issue of the whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #74
Okay. You realize you have just proven my point, right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #80
I don't read every post on DU whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #81
BS, whatchamacallit. You have been around far to long to claim that ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #84
I don't remember many solutions in those posts whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #86
Point made ... you hear what you want to hear, even when it requires ignoring what was said ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #92
Point made whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #94
LOL ... Yeah. Okay. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #95
Are you getting paid to respond to posters' demands now? How much does it pay Number23 Feb 2016 #90
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #91
For the sake of transparency Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #29
You should be thanking fair-minded Bernie supporters senz Feb 2016 #71
Please Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #75
Please? senz Feb 2016 #79
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #34
Good one. And they let it stay up, too. brush Feb 2016 #77
It's a primary talking point. Orsino Feb 2016 #4
It is a movement of us poor ass working folks against the well to do white people Dragonfli Feb 2016 #14
Is that what the Bernie movement is? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #23
Try reading the box below the title sometime, you'll like it! it usually contains more words Dragonfli Feb 2016 #30
It looks like he did considering he quoted some of it... Agschmid Feb 2016 #38
Selective editing in order to complexly make something the opposite of the truth, a Hill tactic Dragonfli Feb 2016 #39
Thanks for the personal insult. Agschmid Feb 2016 #40
It wasn't personal, David Brock is a brand, I am sorry if I criticized a brand you favor /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #41
This... Agschmid Feb 2016 #44
I was talking about using his tactics, as part of the campaign, it's not an insult just expected Dragonfli Feb 2016 #45
I know, huh? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #50
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2016 #59
What are you talking about? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #55
Not 100%, no. 80% plus. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #15
Every bit of that. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #22
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #35
AGE. Most over-50s for Hillary / Most under-50s for Bernie. Regardless of gender or race. nt Turn CO Blue Feb 2016 #18
That is not true ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #25
Unnn nope, millinneals of color are going for HRC strong. Don't like Cornell West who called Obama.. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #36
Yes-AGE. Sanders supporters are a diverse group JimDandy Feb 2016 #57
I don't even think it's a "movement" firebrand80 Feb 2016 #20
It is a movement not formally recognized. mmonk Feb 2016 #24
65-year-old female Bernie supporter here. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #21
That's how it looks to me. yardwork Feb 2016 #28
Has Bernie won any state that wasn't 90% or more white? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #31
Interesting that you ask... senz Feb 2016 #49
Proving the campaign isn't all white by posting a Carpenters song? FSogol Feb 2016 #52
That is race baiting. senz Feb 2016 #56
You'd lose that bet. Post some Stalers Brothers next! FSogol Feb 2016 #62
I posted that video for the LYRICS. Obviously. But Hill fans use race senz Feb 2016 #66
I'm not a HRC supporter, but don't feel she's racist. I also haven't told any lies about Sanders, FSogol Feb 2016 #67
You've been knocking Bernie from the get-go, FSogol. senz Feb 2016 #82
Ohh, am I on your list? Show me a single post where I diss Sanders. Happy hunting! FSogol Feb 2016 #83
I don't keep lists. But I do notice Bernie-haters. senz Feb 2016 #85
Now I'm a hater? I like Sanders, I might even vote for him. FSogol Feb 2016 #88
That was priceless. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #87
I'm still laughing. FSogol Feb 2016 #89
I think the hysterical, sputtering responses are even more priceless. Number23 Feb 2016 #93
. bravenak Feb 2016 #96
Next racially diverse state to vote is South Carolina this coming Saturday workinclasszero Feb 2016 #54
Hillarians today seem to want an Identity war. earthside Feb 2016 #32
There is an app for that ..err sorry I mean OP Dragonfli Feb 2016 #42
Thanks ... very interesting post. earthside Feb 2016 #48
Divide and Conquer is what demagogues like Hillary do. senz Feb 2016 #51
Her campaign is utterly tone deaf and insulting to mixed-race families. n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #61
Would Cornell West who called Obama "n-word-izzed" be allowed to campaign with Sanders if it wasn't? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #33
70 year old over educated (post graduate degree) married white woman for Bernie! s-cubed Feb 2016 #37
O. K. ...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #43
Like all would-be demagagues, Hillary needs the Big Lie. senz Feb 2016 #47
40 year old woman here in Bernie's corner. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #58
Here's what Hillary thinks of AA children. senz Feb 2016 #69
Voting for or against a candidate based on gender or race are equally simple minded. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #70
Here's Bill and Hillary playing the race card to favor whites. senz Feb 2016 #72
Hill's little joke at the expense of PoC senz Feb 2016 #73
Look what you did. You peed all over the *Sacred False Narrative of the Third Way*. nt Zorra Feb 2016 #76
Yeah, I'd say it's only about 80% zappaman Feb 2016 #78

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
1. 49-year-old female here.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

I'm told I should be going for a purchased third way conservative neoliberal because she has similar body parts as me.

That makes zero sense.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
13. You are a woman? I thought you were all supposed to be Republicans (or third way as the kids say)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:17 PM
Feb 2016

Just kiddin' ya'
I am told because I am not white I too was supposed to be going for the moderate Republican, or as the kids say "third Way"

I guess we live to surprise, or maybe being multiracial, my Korean, Black, and Latino parts were wrestled to the ground by my outnumbered white part in a display of internal white supremacy LOL.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
16. LOL
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:55 PM
Feb 2016

Dragonfli, I'm glad the whole of you is here in your multiracial, sharp, liberal, leftie glorious self.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. It just looks like it because of all the white males in it ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:35 PM - Edit history (1)

or rather the lack of non-white males in it.

Edited to reflect a comment in the 0-7 failed attempt to hide:

It just looks like it because of all the white males in it ... or rather the lack of significant numbers of non-white males in it.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
11. Darnit, that's just what I was going to do.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:04 PM
Feb 2016

I'm busted. But I'll post it anyways, because I honestly think Bernie is in all of our best interests.

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angel123

(79 posts)
19. AA support for Bernie.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

You might want to find a better picture to prove your point. Look at the faces, I see maybe five POC in a sea of White faces. That is other than Mr. Jealous and Mr. Glover.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
27. Whatever
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:59 PM - Edit history (1)

It's been obvious from day one this is how you like it and want to keep it. Why waste so much time flogging the issue?

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
63. Perfect sense
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

Do you deny it? Your posting history shows a clear pattern. You feign concern, but offer no solutions. Most of your posts are obsessive affirmations of Sanders' inability (unworthiness) to capture the AA vote. It's your thing.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
65. As is typical of the faithful ... You hear the criticism; but, ignore what I, and others, ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

have offered as a solution ... because there is nothing in it for you in disconnecting racial/social justice from economic justice.

So, Yes ... I deny it ... check my post history. I have never (rarely) posted "affirmations of Sanders' inability (unworthiness) to capture the AA vote", without stating WHY he stumbles among the Black electorate.

To be sure ... not wanting to hear/accept an answer is not the same thing as having no answer provided.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
74. You mean the synthetic issue of the
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

"deleterious coupling of social and economic justice"? The campaign meme ready to roll the day Sanders announced? I forget, remind me again what your solutions were. I know Bernie has stated repeatedly that fighting racism can not be accomplished only on the economic front. I know he has proposed addressing the systemic issues in the justice system, including the Clinton's industrial prison matrix. I know he has repeatedly reached out to the community... yet... Please remind me of your specific suggested fix. I'm all ears.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
80. Okay. You realize you have just proven my point, right? ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

But I have no doubt you will want to claim otherwise ... which will, AGAIN, prove my point, that answers have been given; but, you just don't want to hear them.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
81. I don't read every post on DU
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:51 PM - Edit history (1)

I must have missed them. Put up or prove my point.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
84. BS, whatchamacallit. You have been around far to long to claim that ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

If you wish to feign ignorance and pretend that you have never seen the months of posts that drove Bravenak out of Camp Bernie, or my economic primacy critiques of the Bernie campaign ... that is completely on you.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
86. I don't remember many solutions in those posts
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

just a lot of complaining, shifting rationales, and moving goal posts. Mostly vague stuff like "he's just not connecting" and "he better figure it out"... without explaining why or how. Lots of "whatever it is it must be true because polls". Little actually offered other than simplistic and lazy blanket statements like "Bernie's too much about economics". You have an easy opportunity right now to not only shut me up, but garner an apology. Post a link that proves you are more about substance than noise.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
92. Point made ... you hear what you want to hear, even when it requires ignoring what was said ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:48 PM
Feb 2016

as you have demonstrated here.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
90. Are you getting paid to respond to posters' demands now? How much does it pay
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:43 PM
Feb 2016

And umm... can anybody get in on that action?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
91. LOL ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

All it takes is being home from work with a bad cold ... and a couple brandy laced hot toddies!

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
29. For the sake of transparency
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

I'm posting the jury results from your alerted post:

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:05 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

It just looks like it because of all the white males in it ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1317343

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

lie.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:13 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Unbelievable. This has got to STOP.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It IS incorrect, and an honest assessment would be: "lack of a strong Black presence". Argue that point and if he is an intellectually honenst SBM, then he'll surely fix it. In any case, it's not rude etc. but it is disappointing as he was a lawyer.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerting a post because someone disagrees with an opinion is NOT grounds for a hide.

Leave It Alone
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I really dislike the race card campaign that Clinton's surrogates and supporters have engaged in for months, but I support freedom of speech. I vote to leave this alone as a result.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Thin skin
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alert stalking 1SBM, pure and simple. The alerter should be ashamed.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

At least this person was shut down for 24 hours.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
71. You should be thanking fair-minded Bernie supporters
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

who voted to leave it even though they, too, hate Hillary's racist, sexist campaign.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. It is a movement of us poor ass working folks against the well to do white people
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:26 PM
Feb 2016

Living in gated communities, applies even more truthfully, yet tho truer, is also a false stereotype of the Hilary movement.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. Is that what the Bernie movement is? ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016
It is a movement of us poor ass working folks against the well to do white people Living in gated communities


Really?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
30. Try reading the box below the title sometime, you'll like it! it usually contains more words
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

Words that will result in less incredibly uninformed and embarrassing posts like the one I'm responding to right now.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
39. Selective editing in order to complexly make something the opposite of the truth, a Hill tactic
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

To be sure, but reading the whole thing would ruin a perfectly good misrepresentation/lie about my post, such honorable tactics you guys use, tell me, are they David Brock copywrited tactics or can any hack sling obvious crap like that?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
44. This...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016
such honorable tactics you guys use


Is a personal insult.

Has nothing to do with David Brock.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
45. I was talking about using his tactics, as part of the campaign, it's not an insult just expected
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

The Campaign sets the tone and the tactics used and both are mirrored by the supporters and financial donor/honorary campaign members. You may not believe this but really, it was not personal, I was talking about David Brock's tactics that of course you will use just like any other support material the campaign provides it's supporters as supporters will.

I get it and I don't take it personal that it was used against me, but the guy is slime IMO and a merchant of slime AIMO, but unless you personally hired him we got no beef.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
55. What are you talking about? ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

I cut and pasted from you ... leaving out the "But Hillary ..." deflection that is irrelevant to what Bernie's movement is about.

Oh ... Never mind ... I suspect your response will be equally incoherent.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. That is not true ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:20 PM
Feb 2016
Most under-50s for Bernie. Regardless of gender or race.


At least, with respect to the Black electorate. While Bernie does better among Black Millennials, he is nowhere near, "most".

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
36. Unnn nope, millinneals of color are going for HRC strong. Don't like Cornell West who called Obama..
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:50 PM
Feb 2016

... n-word-izzed associated with Sanders campaing

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
57. Yes-AGE. Sanders supporters are a diverse group
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

as entrance and exit polls and photos and video of his supporters at the NV caucus show.

The largest racial group of his supporters, just like Clinton's, are majority white, as is the largest racial group in our country at this point.

Sanders does seem to consistently capture the white male vote, and specifically the young white male vote. This phenomenon is largely due to AGE--his overwhelming support by the youth vote, just like Obama's was in the 2008 GE:

A stunning 54 percent of young white voters supported Obama, compared with 44 percent who went for McCain, the senator from Arizona. In the past three decades, no Democratic presidential nominee has won more than 45 percent of young whites.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2008/11/exit-polls-how-obama-won-015297#ixzz410tyUgN8

www.politico.com/story/2008/11/exit-polls-how-obama-won-015297


Democratic turnout in all 3 states so far has decreased from the last primary season, so Sanders seems to be increasing turnout of that demographic, while lack of enthusiasm with Clinton seems to be depressing overall turnout.



mmonk

(52,589 posts)
24. It is a movement not formally recognized.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

It looked towards Warren but she said no. Bernie took up the mantle.

FSogol

(45,514 posts)
52. Proving the campaign isn't all white by posting a Carpenters song?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

Who is next, the Osmonds or Michael J. Fox? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
66. I posted that video for the LYRICS. Obviously. But Hill fans use race
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

to divide people. To LIE about Bernie Sanders who doesn't have a racist bone in his body.

But Hill -- we know she's racist.

FSogol

(45,514 posts)
67. I'm not a HRC supporter, but don't feel she's racist. I also haven't told any lies about Sanders,
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

but enjoy your self-righteous rant.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
82. You've been knocking Bernie from the get-go, FSogol.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

Can't hide behind that O'M anymore; you're out in the open, baby!

We see you.

FSogol

(45,514 posts)
83. Ohh, am I on your list? Show me a single post where I diss Sanders. Happy hunting!
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:03 PM
Feb 2016


I have 28,978 posts. Should be easy, right?

FSogol

(45,514 posts)
88. Now I'm a hater? I like Sanders, I might even vote for him.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:36 PM
Feb 2016

However, the hyperbolic nonsense from some who claim* to be his supporters is quite funny. It entertains me.

* = Not talking about you here, btw


Sorry, your search didn't turn up anything.

Here's one you should read:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1273691

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
54. Next racially diverse state to vote is South Carolina this coming Saturday
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

How do you think Bernie is going to do there?

earthside

(6,960 posts)
32. Hillarians today seem to want an Identity war.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

And actually the entire Clinton campaign seems rather fixated on which group people belong to (or are assigned to by them).

earthside

(6,960 posts)
48. Thanks ... very interesting post.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

I'm getting more and more concerned about this divide and conquer strategy of the Hillary campaign.

It is terribly destructive and most illiberal.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
51. Divide and Conquer is what demagogues like Hillary do.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

It's dirty, it's low, and it's Hillary's M.O.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
33. Would Cornell West who called Obama "n-word-izzed" be allowed to campaign with Sanders if it wasn't?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

...tia

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
37. 70 year old over educated (post graduate degree) married white woman for Bernie!
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

I don't fit the demographic narrative, but here I am.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
47. Like all would-be demagagues, Hillary needs the Big Lie.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:30 PM
Feb 2016

And I say this as a female with female friends who see through Hillary and much prefer Bernie.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
70. Voting for or against a candidate based on gender or race are equally simple minded.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

I voted for a woman for president in 2012. But it was based on her policies not her gender.

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