It's the Donald, and you're a loser.

Give the OP credit for a wildly misleading title.

Clinton is using the exact same words to try to deflect the exact same questions this round as she did in 2008. She either thinks it worked then (look who is President now) or she does not learn from her own mistakes. I think it's the latter, because she doesn't learn from her mistakes in foreign policy.

That first clip is very eye-opening.

which feeds into a pattern by the Clintons of misrepresenting comments he made in an editorial board meeting in Reno, Nev., about Republicans.

Obama was right.

It was an attack ad from during the primaries, those shouldn't hold weight for anyone.

why the hell not?

They are the Jerry Springer of out election seasons.

Interesting

It doesn't mean that Obama shares that fault. Shame on you.

Basic syllogism...

Major premise:
Attack ads are shit slinging and not to be believed

Minor Premise:
Obama ran--and approved--an attack ad against Hillary

conclusion:
Therefore, Obama was shit slinging and not to be believed

If you don't like the logic, blame Aristotle, not me.

the jajajaja comment is pretty telling. I can even see the eyes rolling while you are doing it.

Good observation.

You really think it was her qualifications compared to all the otehr possible contenders for that role?

Give him a bit more credit than that.

I'm pretty sure he would have picked someone with more qualifications and focus on foreign policy.

I think he followed that old adage "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

Link or slink.

Good to know.

like my reply. That's ok.

"Keep your friends close your enemies..."

Probably part of the deal that she wouldn't primary him in '12.

oh man.

My point is that Obama said these things. They were true then. The same criticisms apply to Clinton today.

So they'll bitch about the URL.

This is the "new normal" of what's allowed (but only when trying to trash-talk Hillary).

And here's another source:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/obama-hillary-w.html

funny how he made Hillary Secretary of State.

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It's time to phone bank, knock on doors, and pray the sleepwalkers wake up.

Fighting on this forum is futile. I won't give up, but I'm not optimistic about waking those who vote against their interest. Thanks for a kind reply.

but when the source is unassailable, it's even more enjoyable to know they are doing this:

I think it has half-covered the Pyramids by now.

... so does it really matter to people who called Obama what after something so vile?

tia

that's what happens.

What did Obama do after he was elected?

I personally think it's silly to use things Obama said as a weapon. He made her his SoS. Kinda negates any 'boom' you think you have..

Just ridiculous.

It's not my "Boom"... it's President Obama's.

I don't think West is anyone's surrogate, except West's. He's his own loose cannon.

call west a loose cannon all you like, peeps, but i don't happen to feel that someone who can be counted on for CONSTANCY in their integrity, character, and demand for moral action is in anyway loose.

a cannon, maybe; as in cannon for character!

But the WAPO did. And in the same article that called all his famous supporters who campaigned for him surrogates, they mention Hillary's famous supporters campaigning for here and don't call them surrogates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/24/ben-and-jerry-killer-mike-and-a-few-politicians-to-serve-as-bernie-sanders-surrogates-in-iowa/


What I don't know is if these people all volunteered to campaign for free for Sanders, or did they get paid for it? If they got paid for it, I suspect 'surrogate' might be accurate. If they did it for free, then we (Sander's supporters) are all his surrogates. Wear it proudly!

At the end, not only weren't they inviting her to meetings, they weren't even telling her about them. It looks like giving her the job was some sort of quid pro quo to keep The Clinton Gang from trying to undercut him -- which, given their history and lack of morals -- they surely would have done.

You really think Hillary was the best candidate available for SOS?

why is it when simple facts and evidence about HRC are presented, you guys call that 'tearing her down?

this is such a pattern here - not with you but the generic H-bots - one can hardly avoid noting how much it lacks in real substantive debate.

now, if you have something of substance to say in response, something that refutes the point or suggests the interpretation might be in error, then great! we can debate these things.

but to whine constantly that HRC is being torn down, etc. ~ this is just not worthy of the enterprise of democracy.

now, i'll be willing to bet that your knee-jerk reaction to all this would be, 'the bernie-bots do it all the time'. if so, you've simply made my point.

please stop so we can shift to having civilized discussions.

thank you in advance.

is not the same thing as scrutinizing the source.

there is no reason on god's green earth to trust anything coming from newsmax.

now, you may well have credible info here, replete with A/V.

if so, may i humbly recommend you go directly to the sources in the future, by-passing newsmax, and avoiding all of us thinking souls who just dismiss this stuff out of hand as likely from a RWN troll.

now, i'd like to believe that epithet does not truly apply to you. but you have to make sure your appearances match your reality.

kind of like not wearing your jammies to your buddy's dinner party. or sweats to the opera.

self-respect gains all kinds of respect from others.

Put it all in one place for people who don't have time to investigate every source, its owners, and its affiliations.

Please let us know all the sites you don't like, rather than shooting people down post by post, playing "gotcha."

Thank you.

but the likes of newsmax, worldnetdaily, breitbart, etc., should be as self-evident as fox news.

please don't bother checking on my account. this is homework you should do on your own for your own benefit. it's just simple source scrutiny. sort of like making the distinction between the doctor and the pusher telling you the pill in their hand is good for you.

i bothered to post the suggestion so you don't continue to humiliate yourself here. otherwise you'll just be ignored.

i sincerely do not intend this to be mean, but simply informative.

You are an angel to respond. I will add these sources to the list I am compiling so that I don't offend anyone.

I rely on thinking people like you to help me avoid traps. There are so many of them.

And thank you for warning me about humiliating myself. That would be awful! Do you really think I'm being ignored?

I apologize for asking for help. Thank you for your patience and information.

Furthermore, I scoured the internet to find this ad, and it has been scrubbed from the net, for some reason.

This is from a spot by Obama, not a story by either of the links I had posted.

“There’s a big difference between us — speeches versus solutions, talk versus action,” Clinton said, also in the make-or-break month of February 2008. “Speeches don’t put food on the table. Speeches don’t fill up your tank, or fill your prescription, or do anything about that stack of bills that keeps you up at night.”

"The sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing." - Hillary Clinton, 2008

She really likes to mock those who stand in her way.

eom

if that site said the sky was blue I'd get a signed affidavit from the courts to verify

I mean Obama did say this and Obama did make this argument, but STILL, >newsmax.

It also feeds into the whole "GOP is more scared of Hillary than Bernie" (which they may be, but they also thought Romney was leading Obama in October 2012).

thats why Obama selected her to be SOS
geez,,,, hollar it you run out of straws to grasp at........

than Obama! You could just repeat this ad, it would still be spot-on. (Except, if Sanders wins, please don't repeat the part where you then become the champion of NAFTA on Pacific Steroids).