Proud?

That's some deep thinkin' there!

was too obvious.

And anyone who has actually bothered to read it, knows that.

because I would completely give you a heart.

Funny how we are demanded to provide word-for-word evidence, while they can pull anything from their ass and never answer for it.

Dunno why, but I do.

He worked some as a carpenter, although “he was a shitty carpenter,” Bloch told me. “His carpentry,” Morrisseau said, “was not going to support him, and didn’t.”

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That's how it goes, eh. I'm sure he enjoyed it though and imagine he's used his skills throughout his life.

I think he wasn't in the mood to work during that youthful time. I think when he found out that he could "make his own hours" and get a paycheck every week, that appealed to him and that's why he stayed in government service.

He's not the first politician who found that "work" attractive. We don't have so many incumbents in Congress because the job sucks and the hours are brutal.

I sure do.

Acquiring money is important to the Clintons who have moved from broke in 2000 to having between 100,000,000 and 200,000,000 dollars, putting them in the top 1% of the top 1%. And apparently people envy that and assume we all envy that.

As the rich get richer, we get more and more poverty as collateral damage. How do anyone rationalize supporting the wealthy?

Get out of Congress, get a couple of cushy "public policy consulting" jobs with big corps, make some speeches. He couldn't get $250,000 but even if he could only fetch $5,000 per speech, heck not bad for a night's work

But who the fuck cares.



I am a great musician.

up a mountain...

Story goes the thing fell apart after making it just 12 yards LOL

(I never thought about it before, but... why exactly did Jesus get out of the carpentry biz? Maybe he was shitty at it too.... Not that Jesus' CV is relevant to anything being discussed here, but it just made me wonder.)

I think Bernie's being a shitty carpenter is kind of funny, actually.

I know there's the whole running the country stuff to deal with, but I would be pretty pissed off if Bernie moved into the White House and didn't keep up with basic home maintenance.

Good for him .... he probably learned a lot about real, everyday people in each of those jobs. It's good to see he didn't spend all those years in a bubble, like some others.

The articles I've read point out that Bernie never made much money in any of his occupational pursuits. Now the reason he didn't make much money (they just didn't pay much, because he didn't work hard at them, or because he just wasn't real good at what he was doing) was not addressed in the articles.

I can totally see why anyone would have many jobs - some pay well, some don't. Money isn't everything. He's sure fighting hard for those who have to go without now though, isn't he??? So what's your problem?

At least he wasn't union busting like hilly.

you based on the size of your wallet.

So Cajun, how much money did you make in your 20's? Enlighten us.

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The military with its free healthcare, free education, reduced prices on base, etc. Yeah, that was my experience as well.

more free stuff

I want everyone to have it. I wonder why so many others don't?

My first check including all of my allowances was about $400 and I was making about $13,500 a year as a captain when I got out. Given that I was working anywhere from 60 to 75 hours a week, I think I earned my pay and my benifits. And I was damn good at what I did.

are receive socialized medicine.

Why don't you want others to have the same? They will be working hard, paying taxes, the same as any of us.

I know that he can't make it happen, period. Why do I KNOW that? Because I live in the real world were the Republicans will control the House for at least the next 7 years and probably longer.

Second, if we are going to get any relief in that area, I would put my bets on Hillary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders. At least she has shown she can get things done.

Third, I am through with discussion - we will just have to agree to disagree.

You sound just like me when it comes to Sanders.

what were you doing in your 20's...playing in a band?

Orchestras do.
But you of course wouldn't have a clue about that.

Somebody has to try to keep the world sane.

I do know that and orchestra is big band and orchestras are not confined to playing Beethoven and Mahler, and they are not confined to playing just classical music for that matter.

Members of both bands and orchestras are musicians are they not? Who is to say which musicians have more talent?

"..and orchestra is big band and orchestras are not confined to playing Beethoven and Mahler,..." ?

... I like classical music, I have heard several well known orchestras give pop concerts. I can recall one concert that was all Beatles tunes.

What really bothers me, is that you give the impression that just because you play or played in a orchestra, that you automatically think that you are a better musician than those musicians in who play in well known bands, and you should know that isn't necessarily the case.

The amount of training and practice that comes with achieving status in a symphony is quite an acheivement. It usually starts as a young child and the education required usually is a master's degree to play for a symphony. Along the way you have to engage in competitions that put you up against other musicians playing the same instrument and the same exact materials. You form a record of your progress and all of these things add up to the resume that gets you the shot then to compete for a spot with a symphony. Then once there you move on to get into better symphonies in bigger towns. Musicians like these are likened to doctors for the amount of work, skill and training the have to engage in. All the while they make less than most professionals that must put this sort of work onto their craft. They make about 70-80000 bucks a year. I trained this way from the time I was six, and, brother, when I looked around and started interviewing for college? I quit and joined a band. Hahaha. Not trying to be snarky. This is just what I know about it as a neutral observer. Cheers, Captain.

So you took all that talent to a band. Just kidding. Cheers.

See, though we support different candidates doesn't mean we can't have a civil conversation.

The world just wasn't ready for us. Hahaha!

wtf??? don't talk to a Veteran that way that was wrong

But.. it was not meant against veterans, military or whatever. That is not my feeling.

What was meant was the idea that because he was in the military, he worked harder than I did, which was his accusation and insult toward me... that I was just some little shit 'playing in a band.'

Scrapping, like many of us must do.

Is that "working poor" in your neighborhood?

FIRST, he couldn't make a decent living on his own. POOR !!

Now he makes too much RICH !!

..They haven't done anything useful in 8 years.

I think I've seen it all now.

If you and I were sent out to do a job and all we did was fight with our colleagues and got nothing done, we would be fired regardless of how much we were making.

to what Hillary makes for one wall street speech, I have to conclude that either she is overpaid by orders of magnitude for her work, or she is providing more services to them than just a speech.

your work is worth what you are paid and you are paid what your worth. I'm fairly sure that if you were offered thousands of dollars for a speech, you wouldn't turn down the offer.

for a "speech" because I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of quid pro quo to offer in return.

... are they are automatically indebted to those who paid money to to here that speech? Is that how it works? Do we give no credit to anyone for having integrity? Barack Obama took large contributions from Wall Street to his PAC's. Are you also accusing President Obama of being on the side of Wall Street during his Presidency? By your logic he was deeply indebted to those who gave his PAC lots of money.

I know you are not, right? Because there is absolutely no evidence of that President Obama favored Wall Street just as there is no evidence that Wall Street money influenced Hillary Clinton.

So let's be honest with each other for a change and let's call this what it is. It is an opportunity for Bernie Sanders to attack Clinton even though he worked with her for eight years in the Senate and he knows where she stands on these issues. But that's politics.

The money Hillary received is called investment.

--imm

Jesus...you are a republican in dem clothing, aren't you?

Is that why women make less than men...cause they aren't worth as much?