2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm going with this Nate Silver Analysis on Swing states (10/11/12)
Our research suggests, however, that when the state polls and the national polls seem to tell a different story about the state of the campaign, the state polls sometimes (not always, by any means) get it right.
One case in point: national polls on the eve of the 2000 election were consistent with about a three-point lead for George W. Bush. But the collective evidence from state polling was suggestive of a nearly tied race. In fact, the conventional wisdom at that time was that Mr. Bush might win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College exactly the opposite of the outcome that occurred.
The state polling generally told the more accurate story, however, describing a tossup race, rather than one favoring Mr. Bush.
Similarly, in 1996, most national polls showed Bill Clinton winning by double-digits, while battleground state polls seemed to suggest that he would win by a smaller amount. Mr. Clintons actual margin of victory was eight and a half percentage points, more in line with the state polling.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/oct-10-is-romney-leading-right-now/
Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)So what if Romney's aroused a battalion of quasi-birthers in the South?
unc70
(6,121 posts)There have been a pile of state polls relatively favorable to Obama since Nate did his analyses. He mentions that in the article. Doesn't change his basic argument.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)Bush was up on Gore by three just before the 2000 election. On Election Day that year I was phone banking and as coincidence would have it, I was sitting next to a CEO of a significant corporation in our area. It wasn't until later that day I found out who he was. He had a laptop computer, the first one I'd seen, and as the day was beginning showed us a legitimate national poll that Gore was up one, 49-48. I can't recall which poll it was but it was a well known polling outfit that produced it.
We all were pretty upbeat when we heard it and had it in mind as we made our calls. State by state polling data was nowhere near as prevalent then as now. Gore winning the popular vote didn't surprise me but of course what surprised everyone was the votes meant to be cast for Gore in Florida but went to Buchanan instead.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)They stole the election for George Bush.
Jeb Bush had state troopers searching people's cars and causing long line-ups in certain areas etc.
And yes, the 'Butterfly Ballot' was designed so that unfortunately in one Jewish area where it was used, several hundred Jewish voters who meant to vote for Gore checked off Bush by mistake. It was designed to confuse people because the name of the person you wanted to vote for was not directly across the line from the name - it was diagonally apportioned.