2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDEMOCRATS, please get Ready......
To beat ourselves before, during and after the debate!
Remember that the media and the Republicans are counting
on us, and I'm positive we won't let them down!
We are super good at this:
At the end, we will get what we worked for and therefore deserve!
elleng
(131,197 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,386 posts)Rec'd
flamingdem
(39,332 posts)>>At the end, we will get what we worked for and therefore deserve!
No. We need to stop blaming ourselves. There is a concerted effort to turn this country over to the 1% that is proven at this point. We're up against Citizens United and other underhanded efforts regarding election and voter fraud that the Democrats do not practice but the Republicans do.
I am shocked at how people in our country just take it. Even when we know what they're doing. I'm shocked that a debate full of lying by Mitt Romney results in the Democrats attacking Obama, the best leader we've had for years.
And today I see that Chris Matthews is ready to do it again. For those with money I guess this is just a game.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)When Republicans lose, they talk up their winners and demonize the other side,
When Democrats win, they sit back and do a lot of criticizing about their own!
When Republicans win, they talk up their winners and demonize the other side,
When Democrats lose, they sit back and do a lot of criticizing about their own!
Blue Idaho
(5,060 posts)and this site can be very toxic to anyone interested in getting Democrats elected to office.
desertduck
(213 posts)cheezmaka
(737 posts)We need to learn to stick together NO MATTER WHAT...
truthN08
(275 posts)To see countless meltdowns tonight coupled with post debate quarterbacking about how he should have done *this* or said *that*. That will probably be followed by "The Obama campaign doesn't get it". No one can tear us down as well as we can because we are the best at it.
I've been reading here for years FrenchieCat and you always nail it
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Stop trying to censor the REALITY!!!!
Censor! Nazi! Commissar!
The truth shall not be prevented on this Democrat, I mean Democratic, message board! NEVER! Long live the REALITY of me shitting all over the Democratic nominee!!!!!! Hey, it's the REALITY!!!!
Chiquitita
(752 posts)love it. but not all are trolls. There are a lot of good DUers who don't think their personal perceptions are subjective and believe the can identify the "reality" of a debate win or loss simply with a gut check.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,244 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)He can only win if the pundits think the horse race is close enough now.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)they themselves could have done it wayyyyy better!
We may like to collectively kick our own ass,
but at the same time,
we definitely believe we are individually the most brilliant!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Cause personally, I don't get what part of "I got your back" many Democrats
just don't get?
It's not like consistently criticizing our own has no consequences......it certainly does....
and indeed, the fact that the ones we criticize will not be the ones who will end up
doing the real suffering (because those who will suffer will be the American People),
So I humbly suggest that we be politically mindful of that when weighing the damage
our loud ass negative "need to always be right" proclaimations may cause.
These elections that are just a few weeks away is not a game,
it's truly is a matter of life and death for many! We really ought to think about that
prior to reacting, IMO!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)... address those?
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)I would humbly suggest that we fight for our side that much more,
and concentrate on the deficiency of our opponents...i.e., have our candidates' back
not stab them in it!
You see, unless someone has decided that the opponent is perfect and is above criticism
there is always legitimate work on that to be done.....as opposed to joining the opponent in
piling it on.
So I'm guessing that means that we need to be politically smart,
as opposed to feeling the need to micro manage our own side as what to do.....
cause it ain't like we actually know what to do....
we just think we do!
bowens43
(16,064 posts)we all love the media when they tell us Obama is in the lead but he blows it and Romney leads its a big fucking conspiracy......we look as bad the freepers
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)on what happens in this country,
When the media cheerleads us into war,
gets rid of Dean based on a supposed "scream",
dogs John Kerry about "I was for it before I was against it",
have Bush Jr. with 80%+ approval ratings in polls after 9/11
for a consecutive 12 months after that,
then there ain't nothing I can fucking say to you......period!
desertduck
(213 posts)and on news that would benefit the left, they gloss over it, hide it, or place it in the lower left hand corner with smaller font. I notice headlines and the vast majority that are most accessible to the general public has a definite right slant. Negatives (meaning silence or non-reporting) speaks very loudly at times too. If the media was TRULY neutral, we wouldn't have much of an election. the republicans wouldn't even be in contention. and yeaa...these are just my opinions.
Cha
(297,799 posts)not news. Their narrative is whatever they say it is.
But, the Social Media has a chance to fight back and not be sucked in by what they demand.
DisabledAmerican
(452 posts)This is the meme for anyone doing just that.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)nothing in a long run......other than the chance to do it all again
whenever they feel like it. What we all lose, however, is unmeasurable!
DisabledAmerican
(452 posts)That is all there is to it. Stick up and believe in yourself and fight by getting out the vote. We just have to beware they are here.
babylonsister
(171,102 posts)cheezmaka
(737 posts)We're very good at 'BEATING ourselves up'. Obama may have followed bad advice from his advisors in his last debate. However, we have to believe that David Axelrod and Stephanie Cutter know what they're doing. They're able to learn from any mistakes and to make sure that the President is BETTER prepared for the next two debates. Regardless of any poll data or the media, as Dems we have to do our part to work to get this man re-elected. What is most important is that Obama gets ALL of our support along with people we have influenced on Nov. 6th....
GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)People are recommending this, WHY?
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Like I said, the only thing Democrats do when being full of negativity against their own
this close to an election is show how politically dumb they are compared to Republicans.
CitizenLeft
(2,791 posts)freakin' hysterical!
In fact, I'm sending that to my friend, if you don't mind!
Thanks for that, it's been a long hard day!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)courseofhistory
(801 posts)we should be writing and calling the media when they go berserk like last Wednesday saying stupid prejudicial things about who supposedly won! You can analyze without all the cute zingers and commentary by just comparing and contrasing what was said and letting the listener decide. I despise this bandwagon effect of people jumping on one or two soundbites from the pundits and passing judgment!