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People Forget that Florida is Alabama (Original Post) titaniumsalute Oct 2012 OP
That's not entirely true democrat in Tallahassee Oct 2012 #1
ok Talkahasse and Gainesville aside titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #4
Florida is not Alabama! I've walked many miles of Florida's beautiful pan-handle beaches from jody Oct 2012 #2
im talking politics...not beautiful beaches titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #5
I live in AL, GA, & CA but I love FL and spend much time there. IMO FL is marginally Dem but that jody Oct 2012 #7
we love to have you... titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #9
Thanks, I love to discuss politics with young people, that is those under 65. nt jody Oct 2012 #13
My parents used to live in Milton, FL near Pensacola. Its pretty close to being Alabama. DCBob Oct 2012 #8
The panhandle is much more conservative than the peninsula. My family has been on the Georgia line jody Oct 2012 #17
Tom T. Hall (country singer and liberal) had a song "St. George Isle" a few years ago graham4anything Oct 2012 #33
Damn you for bringing tears to these old eyes and a flood of dreams from my jody Oct 2012 #44
I hope to visit St. George Isle next year or 2014 graham4anything Oct 2012 #47
Time permitting, please drive West from St. George Island along Florida's Emerald Coast to jody Oct 2012 #58
Looks beautiful, will add to the itinerary graham4anything Oct 2012 #67
75 degrees in the Florida pan handle at 8pm. Wish you were here. nt jody Oct 2012 #68
Coastal Alabama has beautiful white beaches, too... TroglodyteScholar Oct 2012 #59
Agree and tourists need to go East to Florida, not Gulf Shores, Orange Beach, et al. nt jody Oct 2012 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author TroglodyteScholar Oct 2012 #74
Please don't generalize. RedStateLiberal Oct 2012 #3
Thanks for showing titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #6
Florida has half a million more Dems than Rs. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #14
It's A Purple State DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #15
Wouldn't have to be purple, HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #19
The Party Is Too Hero Reliant DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #21
thus Rick Scott, Marco Rubio, and an extreme right wng titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #18
I Lived In Greater Orlando From 6/70 -4/12 DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #23
I fucking live here. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #24
Orlando Has A Democratic Mayor, An African American Chief Of Police, And A Gay Councilwoman DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #25
Yes! And Tampa has a lesbian chief of police and congresswoman. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #28
Buddy Dyer Is Awesome DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #36
Buddy would be good Governor material... HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #40
Looking at that map one would assume this is a solid Republican country. DCBob Oct 2012 #10
Top song played OVER AND OVER HockeyMom Oct 2012 #41
If you're listening to that station, you're one of the reasons. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #43
How did Walker get elected with all that blue in Wisconsin??? Odin2005 Oct 2012 #53
That is simply not true. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #11
have you been to Polk County? titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #20
One vote per person, not per acre. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #26
i live in Boca Raton titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #29
Me too bagimin Oct 2012 #35
no kidding. titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #37
There Is No Lucie County DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #30
Sorry... St. Lucie. We shorten it at work. titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #38
Busted. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #42
hardee har har titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #46
Yet you can't escape the fact that Dems outnumber Rs by 500,000. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #49
That doesn't mean much in and of itself. Even in Oklahoma Ds still outnumber Rs in registration. n/t Daniel537 Oct 2012 #56
Who's the Governor of Florida? Who's the Senator? Who's the DINO Senator? titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #61
Or that the districts are gerrymandered, HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #63
Enlighten me titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #66
Donate and volunteer for individual progressive candidates is a great start. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #70
Currently I'm working to get Ted Deutch re-elected in titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #71
Nobody shortens St Lucie to Lucie RockaFowler Oct 2012 #55
OP is a troll. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #64
Hooptie you're an idiot... titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #72
Ok. My mistake. I just know so many counties around titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #73
I Lived In Greater Orlando From 6/70 -4/12 DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #12
Obama won by 240,000 votes last time. Hope he wins again. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #16
disagree mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #22
i didnt forget... titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #27
rubio gets alot of cuban support mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #32
yeah... titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #34
I lived in Florida -- southeast, west and north Florida. Actually, it's more like south Georgia. ancianita Oct 2012 #31
Collier is the Ailen Breeding Ground of Rick Scott, HockeyMom Oct 2012 #39
West of Tallahassee, YES BlueDemKev Oct 2012 #45
Obama won Orange Co easily quaker bill Oct 2012 #48
I Think Orange County Hasn't Gone Red Since 88 DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #50
People forget a lot of things. Chan790 Oct 2012 #51
I have a friend who taught 4th Grade in Ocala... Odin2005 Oct 2012 #52
Redneck Riviera. bamacrat Oct 2012 #54
It ain't Bama, but its definitely a lean R state Daniel537 Oct 2012 #57
Only older Cubans are solid R. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #65
Yes, but those solid R Cubans vote at much higher numbers than all the other Hispanics Daniel537 Oct 2012 #69
Horseshit! Obama won FL 51%-48% in 2008 Freddie Stubbs Oct 2012 #62
1. That's not entirely true
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:25 PM
Oct 2012

Tallahassee in Leon County is bright blue as is Gainesville--that's where two major universities are located. Please don't say we are like Alabama cause we aren't!

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
2. Florida is not Alabama! I've walked many miles of Florida's beautiful pan-handle beaches from
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:25 PM
Oct 2012

St. George Island Beach Florida to Mobile Alabama.

Those white quartz beaches are the most beautiful in the world.

Politics are another matter but people vote for whom they believe will make their life better and after 77 years I've come to believe it's just a bitter war between opinions.

Either way, I have dear friends from both Dem and Rep leanings and I know they'll all come to my fair-well party.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
5. im talking politics...not beautiful beaches
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:46 PM
Oct 2012

I live in FL. It is amazing what I hear people all over this state regarding our President. I have a job that takes me all over FL. I can tell you first hand this place is very Republican.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
7. I live in AL, GA, & CA but I love FL and spend much time there. IMO FL is marginally Dem but that
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:13 PM
Oct 2012

could change by November 6.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
8. My parents used to live in Milton, FL near Pensacola. Its pretty close to being Alabama.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:16 PM
Oct 2012

Clearly there are areas that are not but generally speaking NoFL counties will vote like hardcore southern Republicans.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
17. The panhandle is much more conservative than the peninsula. My family has been on the Georgia line
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:30 PM
Oct 2012

with Florida since 1817 when it was still Spanish, first settlers and all that stuff.

I've watched things get better but that region still retains the basics of rural life with self-sufficiency, pride, and independence.

Those traits may not be compatible with urban/suburban life with government in charge of everything.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
33. Tom T. Hall (country singer and liberal) had a song "St. George Isle" a few years ago
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:52 PM
Oct 2012

Tom was basically retired when he decided to release one more album.Not many people have heard this



and there are great people in Alabama. And soon those great people will be in a blue state.
May take awhile, but it will happen someday
 

jody

(26,624 posts)
44. Damn you for bringing tears to these old eyes and a flood of dreams from my
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:17 PM
Oct 2012

youth.

I've lived a blessed life of 77 years, made friends from many different cultures, tried to change the world, and never gave up -- but I lack the energy to chase dreams anymore.

I do enjoy being a spectator and cheerleader for youngsters, all that's left for me.

Thanks for the memories

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
47. I hope to visit St. George Isle next year or 2014
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:43 AM
Oct 2012

I have wanted to visit based on the images in the song (and later video) St George isle since I first heard the song. I have been in Florida many times, but never stayed in the panhandle I hope to visit St. George Isle next year or 2014 area. We are thinking, depending on finances, about a cross country drive in the spring from NY to Los Angeles' beaches, then on the way back making a number of stops and staying there awhile.

Or if we need to do shorter and more realistic, driving south with stops in DC NC and St. George Isle(instead of going to Orlando and further south) and just relax for a week or so.

And I thank you very much, for mentioning St. George Isle and the beaches in your post, and it has me wanting to get in the car and drive right now and spend the winter there. (I am so tired of winters here and know last years warm one won't happen again this year).

and never give up the fight and dreams. We have changed the world and we all continue to do so, even if it seems slow and that time is passing us by with all the new stuff out there.

I often think of my grandparents,and even the two great-grandparents that I knew, who all are deceased now for 35 and many more years, and how much they witnessed in their life, and since they have been gone, how much has changed since.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
58. Time permitting, please drive West from St. George Island along Florida's Emerald Coast to
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:02 PM
Oct 2012

Destin FL , see below and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Coast.

The Gulf Islands National Seashore has been repaired and is as pristine as one can find today as tourist return to the sea. http://www.nps.gov/guis/index.htm


I warn you when you visit the area you'll return again and again.

P.S. If you drive to Pensacola FL add the Navy's Museum at the Naval Air Station, it has one of the very few Zeros from WWII.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
67. Looks beautiful, will add to the itinerary
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:50 PM
Oct 2012

Especially as it is suppose to be near 32 tonight here in NJ.
Wouldn't mind driving down now and staying til spring.

Thanks.

Response to jody (Reply #60)

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
3. Please don't generalize.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:37 PM
Oct 2012

Even Alabama was not all red in 2008. In fact there's more blue in AL than several other states on this county by county map:

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
6. Thanks for showing
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:48 PM
Oct 2012

It does have more blue than I thought. Maybe I should have said Florida is like Oklahoma.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
15. It's A Purple State
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:27 PM
Oct 2012

It tilts ever so slightly Republican. Clinton carried it 96 and Obama carried it in 08. Gore had it stolen and Kerry made it close.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
19. Wouldn't have to be purple,
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:36 PM
Oct 2012

if the districts weren't gerrymandered, and the Florida Dem Party wasn't so self-serving.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
21. The Party Is Too Hero Reliant
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:39 PM
Oct 2012

It used to be Bob Graham and Lawton Chiles. Now it's Bill Nelson. And , yeah, thanks to gerrymandering at the state and local level the Democratic vote is diluted.

I love Florida. I miss Florida. To compare it with Alabama is asinine.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
18. thus Rick Scott, Marco Rubio, and an extreme right wng
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:35 PM
Oct 2012

State legislature. Whete the fuck do you get off calling me a bigot? Look at who had ran thus state for two decades asshole. Have ever driven back roads between Tampa and I 10? All you see are confederate flags. You need Some education my friend.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
23. I Lived In Greater Orlando From 6/70 -4/12
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:41 PM
Oct 2012

Bill Clinton carried Florida. Barack Obama carried Florida. Gore had it stolen and Kerry made it close. Alabama hasn't went blue since 1976.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
24. I fucking live here.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:43 PM
Oct 2012

Not many people live on those back roads. Those that do are probably relatives of the inbred Ohioan militias. Tampa has a Dem mayor and all Dem city council. Tallahassee and G-ville are very liberal. Jacksonville and Orlando are quite diverse. So stick it up you know where.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
25. Orlando Has A Democratic Mayor, An African American Chief Of Police, And A Gay Councilwoman
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:46 PM
Oct 2012

Here's the 2008 vote by county:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/president/florida.html

Doesn't look like Alabama to me.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
36. Buddy Dyer Is Awesome
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:55 PM
Oct 2012

I went to a campaign event in 2000 at Lake Eola and Buddy Dyer, Al Gore, Bill Nelson, and Joe Lieberman were on the dais and I met them all...


FL might not be CA but it's not AL either.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. Looking at that map one would assume this is a solid Republican country.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:19 PM
Oct 2012

Thank goodness for the liberal urban highly populated areas!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
11. That is simply not true.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:20 PM
Oct 2012

Only the panhandle is like Alabama. The other parts are quite diverse. OP sounds like a close-minded bigot who's never been to other parts of Florida, yet paints the entire state with a single broad brush.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
20. have you been to Polk County?
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:38 PM
Oct 2012

Have you been to Collier County? Have you been to Okeechobee County? Have you been to Lee County? Have you been to Lucie County? Have you been to He dry County? Yes I have. And about 65 others around the state. And it is Republican as it comes.

Nice try but I know this state and travel it daily.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
26. One vote per person, not per acre.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:47 PM
Oct 2012

You're welcome for the civics lesson. Maybe you should get out in the Ohio boondocks and count all the ignorant inbreds before you start trashing other states.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
29. i live in Boca Raton
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:49 PM
Oct 2012

I have for years. I have traveled every nook and crannie from Key west to the panhandle.

Florida us a lot like Ohio. Rednecks as far as you can see except a few isolated areas.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
37. no kidding.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:58 PM
Oct 2012

I driv from very West Boca to very east Boca everyday for work. Palmetto, Glades, etc. Are covered with Romney. I see about 4 Obama signs and that's it.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
30. There Is No Lucie County
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:50 PM
Oct 2012
Have you been to Collier County? Have you been to Okeechobee County? Have you been to Lee County? Have you been to Lucie County? Have you been to He dry County? Yes I have. And about 65 others around the state. And it is Republican as it comes.

Nice try but I know this state and travel it daily


But there is a St. Lucie County that Obama carried 56% -44%:


http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/president/florida.html

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
46. hardee har har
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:29 PM
Oct 2012

Aren't you clever with your busted line...

Of course a few counties are blue...just like Alabama. But overwhelmingly it is a red state. Florida...the home of Ave Maria...the Villages...and of course Ocala.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
49. Yet you can't escape the fact that Dems outnumber Rs by 500,000.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:23 AM
Oct 2012

Would you like some cheese with your whine? If Florida is a hell-hole for you, then move already. We don't need whiners. We need people who'll fight to make Florida better, not people who carp about it not being the state they left.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
56. That doesn't mean much in and of itself. Even in Oklahoma Ds still outnumber Rs in registration. n/t
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:45 AM
Oct 2012

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
61. Who's the Governor of Florida? Who's the Senator? Who's the DINO Senator?
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:26 PM
Oct 2012

Both State Chambers have been under Republican rule since 1996.

So what difference does it make if there's 500,000 more registered Dems? Either they don't vote or when they do vote they are voting Republican.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
63. Or that the districts are gerrymandered,
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:49 PM
Oct 2012

and the Fl Dem Party is dysfunctional and self-serving. Some peeps are working to fix that. I assume whiners like yourself aren't. You're more than welcome to go back home. One of our problems is water and infrastructure under pressure from population growth. Just go home, since you're determined to be part of the problem, not part of the solution.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
66. Enlighten me
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:49 PM
Oct 2012

How are you helping to fix the dysfunctional and self-serving Fl Dem party. I'm happy to help. What do I need to do?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
70. Donate and volunteer for individual progressive candidates is a great start.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:52 PM
Oct 2012

Vote for party-supported Dems when you must. Yes, that does involve holding one's nose. Otherwise, try and get progressives elected in the primaries in safe districts. This is entirely doable in metropolitan areas.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
71. Currently I'm working to get Ted Deutch re-elected in
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:05 AM
Oct 2012

Florida 19 as a volunteer. I've also done some phoning for Nelson and the President.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
55. Nobody shortens St Lucie to Lucie
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:53 AM
Oct 2012

I live in St Lucie County and work in Palm Beach. It is far from a Red County. We have a Democratic Mayor in Ft Pierce. A Democratic Sheriff and many Democrats on County Commission. Now if you want to call Martin Red go ahead. That place is a cesspool! But St Lucie is one of the best Democratic regions in the state!

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
73. Ok. My mistake. I just know so many counties around
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

St. Lucie are red. Christ make one mistake and people eat you alive.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
12. I Lived In Greater Orlando From 6/70 -4/12
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:21 PM
Oct 2012

It couldn't be more different than Alabama. The older I got the longer I lived in Orlando than everybody I met. In other words they were all from somewhere else.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
27. i didnt forget...
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:47 PM
Oct 2012

But what I do remember is 2010. Between Skeletor Scott and the State races this state went backward 100 years. We also serve up Marco Rubio and Allen West.

ancianita

(36,146 posts)
31. I lived in Florida -- southeast, west and north Florida. Actually, it's more like south Georgia.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:51 PM
Oct 2012
Although I agree with everyone here that it's trying hard to be Democratic. Alabama, it ain't.
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
39. Collier is the Ailen Breeding Ground of Rick Scott,
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:00 PM
Oct 2012

Connie Mack, Tea Party, and Resting Place of 1%. "Lookie here, we got ourselves at DEMOCRAT". That was my first experience in voting here. Golden Gate area of poor and minorities is districted to MIAMI. Gotta keep this place BLOOD RED anyway they can.

It is not easy be a transplanted Democrat New Yorker HERE.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
45. West of Tallahassee, YES
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:20 PM
Oct 2012

But fortunately, there are signs of intelligent life in the Sunshine State unlike its dixie neighbors.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
51. People forget a lot of things.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:29 AM
Oct 2012

People forget that parts of upstate NY are also Alabama if we're talking voting tendencies.
People forget that a large swatch of Maryland around Frostburg is as religious-conservative as parts of western VA.
People forget that large rural areas of CT, MA, VT, OR and CA (by voting tendencies, the 5 most-liberal US states) are also conservative.

People also forget that a lot of these aren't going to affect a whole hell of a lot on Election Day.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
52. I have a friend who taught 4th Grade in Ocala...
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:48 AM
Oct 2012

She said the area was a shit hole, and she grew up on the Rez in western NoDak. When sobody from the Rez says your place sucks, it must REALLY suck.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
57. It ain't Bama, but its definitely a lean R state
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:49 AM
Oct 2012

Yes Obama won here in '08, but even under the perfect conditions he only won by 2.5 whereas Bush in a tough re-election in '04 won by 5. And we only have one Dem in an elected statewide office, Bill Nelson. People forget that not all registered Dems vote Dem. Plus the Hispanic vote here is closer than most other states due to the Cuban-American vote which goes strongly for the Rs.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
65. Only older Cubans are solid R.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:05 PM
Oct 2012

Younger ones tend more towards typical hispanic trends. And Cubans are vastly out-numbered by other Latinos... Colombians, Venezuelans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, etc.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
69. Yes, but those solid R Cubans vote at much higher numbers than all the other Hispanics
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:15 PM
Oct 2012

I'm one of those young Cubans who votes Dem, but there just aren't enough of us right now to counter the oldies, although they are starting to fade and by decade's end the Cuban vote will probably be a swing vote.

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