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mzmolly

(51,003 posts)
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:08 PM Oct 2012

Why not to believe the latest Mason/Dixon Florida Poll - showing Rmoney up by 7

Las Vegas Sun - November - 2010


... This isn’t the first time the R-J, which uses Washington-based Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, has published polls that ran far afield of Election Day results. And, the results always seem to skew Republican.

In 2008, the R-J’s final poll had Barack Obama beating John McCain in Nevada by 4 percentage points. Obama won by 12.5. A late poll in 2004 had President George W. Bush beating Sen. John Kerry by 10. Bush won by 3.

The R-J and its pollster were criticized in October 2008 when it polled in two of Nevada’s congressional races, using fewer than 300 respondents in each race. A polling expert with Pew Research Center said he had never seen published polls with such small sample sizes. Polls with fewer respondents are cheaper to conduct, but also mean a greater margin of error.

These polls can matter because, as one Democratic operative complained, they can have the effect of self-fulfilling prophecy, depressing campaign donors and volunteers and infusing Democratic voters with apathy.

...Republican operatives snicker with some glee at the R-J polls, which can provide a lift by energizing donors and volunteers.

As for the polls’ accuracy, however, one Republican operative was blunt. Campaigns pay good money for good data. As for Mason-Dixon polling, he said: “I wouldn’t pay for them.”


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Why not to believe the latest Mason/Dixon Florida Poll - showing Rmoney up by 7 (Original Post) mzmolly Oct 2012 OP
I don't believe it for a few reasons... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #1
Exactly. And Nate Silver is changing his projection based upon this mzmolly Oct 2012 #2
Take this poll out and it's an exact tie... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #4
That's my thought mzmolly Oct 2012 #5
Sam Stein tweets: ProSense Oct 2012 #3
Great mzmolly Oct 2012 #6
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
1. I don't believe it for a few reasons...
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:10 PM
Oct 2012

1) I have a hard time either Romney or Obama leads in Florida by 7 points.

2) There are enough polls that show Obama up, or within the MOE for me to tell this one is an outlier.

If every other poll indicated the same thing, I'd buy it. But they don't.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
4. Take this poll out and it's an exact tie...
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:17 PM
Oct 2012

Nate shifting Florida to 60/40 in Romney's favor over one poll just tells me not to trust his methodology.

But I bet you this poll gets more play nationally than any other ... even NBC will throw its own poll showing Obama up one out and use this poll. Watch.

mzmolly

(51,003 posts)
5. That's my thought
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:50 PM
Oct 2012

also.

I bet you this poll gets more play nationally than any other ... even NBC will throw its own poll showing Obama up one out and use this poll. Watch.I bet you this poll gets more play nationally than any other ... even NBC will throw its own poll showing Obama up one out and use this poll. Watch.


Sadly, I agree.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. Sam Stein tweets:
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:17 PM
Oct 2012
Whose plans do you think will do more long term harm to Medicare: Obama 54, Romney 40


this Mason-Dixen poll has 14 percent of Florida Democrats voting for Romney. i'd be surprised if that holds


"The poll showed 44 percent of likely Hispanic voters favoring Obama and 46 for Romney" -- if that holds, obama's in real trouble

https://fr.twitter.com/samsteinhp

That number looks familiar

Mason-Dixon Florida Poll: October 20 through October 21, 2008

<...>

Republican John McCain has moved narrowly ahead of Democrat Barack Obama in Florida. Statewide, 46% of voters currently support McCain, while 45% back Obama, 2% are for other candidates and 7% remain undecided. Obama held a similarly slim 48%-46% lead two weeks ago.

<...>

In the key Tampa Bay region, McCain now has a 47%-44% lead, reversing Obama’s 48%-44% advantage from early October. The other regions of the state continue to follow their historical patterns, with Obama holding a wide 58%-32% lead in Southeast Florida and McCain running ahead in North Florida (56%-35%), Central Florida (53%-39%) and Southwest Florida (54%-38%).

Obama continues to run stronger among Democrats, women, those under 35, blacks and those who have never served in the military, while McCain is stronger with men, Republicans, those over 65, whites and military veterans. Obama has a 47%-41% lead among independent voters, while McCain has a 47%-44% among Hispanic & Cuban voters.

McCain still has a higher favorable rating with Florida voters than Obama (51%-49%), while Obama’s negatives are a bit higher than McCain’s (37%-33%).

- more -

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/081022_Fla_Mason-Dixon.pdf


Poll: Hispanics in Florida favor President Barack Obama over Mitt Romney, 61-31

The Hispanic support mirrors other Florida surveys that show Obama with a large lead among this crucial and growing segment of the Florida electorate.

By Marc Caputo

Hispanic voters in Florida heavily favor President Obama, strongly back his immigration positions and are highly enthusiastic about voting...according to the survey of 400 registered Florida Hispanics conducted by Latino Decisions for America’s Voice, a group that advocates for liberal immigration policies.

Obama pulls 61 percent Hispanic support compared to 31 percent for Republican Mitt Romney, the poll showed....this 30-point margin is the largest Obama lead to date.

<...>

But the number of Republican Hispanics has only grown 12 percent, while the number of Democratic Hispanics have increased 60 percent and no-party-affiliation Hispanic voters increased 50 percent. NPA Hispanics now outnumber Republican Hispanics in Florida.

And Hispanics are energized about voting as well, with 70 percent saying their “very enthusiastic” about voting...That’s welcome news to the Obama campaign, which has watched its support slip among non-white Hispanic whites. Obama lost the white vote 42-56 percent to John McCain in 2008 in Florida, but won Hispanics 57-42.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/04/v-fullstory/3034352/poll-hispanics-in-florida-favor.html



Also from the current poll:

Likewise, Obama's lead among likely women voters in Florida fell from 15 percentage points last month to just 2 points, 49 percent for Obama and 47 percent for Romney.

Obama's once 11 point lead among likely independent voters had cascaded into a 13 point lead for Romney this week, 52 percent to 39 percent.

- more -

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/timesbay-news-9herald-exclusive-florida-poll-romney-51-obama-44/1255882

Seriously, some polls have shown a drop in support among women, some have not, but a 13-point drop? Any poll that shows a 24-point swing among any group is suspect.

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