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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:30 PM Feb 2016

Compare Clinton '16 to Kerry '04. Besides her gender, what does Clinton bring to the table that

Kerry didn't offer?

As a candidate, Kerry had a lot of advantages that Clinton does not enjoy (for example, Kerry's war hero status versus Clinton's fib about Bosnian sniper fire that has been humiliatingly disproved by video footage and which would be re-run ad nauseum if she were to make it to the general election).

Clinton does share some of Kerry's strengths (for example, foreign policy experience), but Kerry had some anti-war history and credibility as part of this foreign policy package and Clinton is pretty much a straight up neocon hawk with respect to her foreign policy (I'm not saying that Clinton is Dick Cheney because her domestic policy would be worlds better, but her foreign policy is pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty hawkish).

Comparing Clinton to Kerry, I see no area where Clinton is stronger except the appeal of electing the first woman president (which should have been a definite plus and should have been an electoral advantage that Clinton could have capitalized upon but her un-likability and un-trustworthiness perception among young voters, independent voters, and potential ticket-splitting Republican voters kills off this potential advantage; Clinton, if nominated, would be poised to get a historically low independent/crossover vote and turnout among young Democrats would be anemic).

What -- if anything -- does Clinton bring to the table that Kerry's unsuccessful 2004 campaign didn't offer?

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Compare Clinton '16 to Kerry '04. Besides her gender, what does Clinton bring to the table that (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
I voted for Kerry. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #1
Didn't we all? Yet that was not enough despite the fact that he was the change candidate in a change Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #11
Not all of us think Obama is doing a bad job. I don't see this as a "change election"... Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #13
I didn't say Obama was doing a bad job but it DEFINITELY IS a change election: Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #14
Ok. If that chart is your compass, know yourself out. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #15
Baloney - BushInc was at its most powerful in 2004 and they still had to cheat to win. blm Feb 2016 #27
She won't have Tad Devine on her team BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #2
zing. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #4
A much tougher political edge and a willingness to attack her Republican opponent brooklynite Feb 2016 #3
This BillyDawg Feb 2016 #5
I sure hope so. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #6
Here I thought it was Hillary supporters one_voice Feb 2016 #7
"Besides her gender". There it is. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #8
I campaigned for Kerry liberal N proud Feb 2016 #9
I recall. Kerry brought a lot to the table against a weakened and unpopular candidate who survived Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #16
And the BS supporters are going to make sure of that liberal N proud Feb 2016 #23
Ditto. Ditto. And Ditto. And I was bummed that he threw in the towel so quickly. The Republicans GoneFishin Feb 2016 #26
Adoration. malthaussen Feb 2016 #10
Thank you! Nedsdag Feb 2016 #12
Clinton offers a federal investigation that Kerry didn't bring to the table Vote2016 Feb 2016 #17
And Hillary is much more ruthless BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #18
but very "politics as usual" ruthless. Vote2016 Feb 2016 #22
She will bring Wall Street advocates and war mongers to her cabinet. Huge mess. kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #19
Compare Sanders '16 to McGovern '72, Mondale '84, Nader 2000. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #20
Getting money out of politics is very popular accross party lines Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #25
Kerry was running against an incumbent in wartime just 3 years after 9-11 JI7 Feb 2016 #21
I think Hillary has more fight in her. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #24

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
11. Didn't we all? Yet that was not enough despite the fact that he was the change candidate in a change
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:44 PM
Feb 2016

election.

Clinton is running as the status quo candidate is a change election and so Kerry's vote (which I do not think she could match) would not be enough.

Clinton nomination equals Republican administration (and the downballot implications are too gruesome to contemplate).

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
13. Not all of us think Obama is doing a bad job. I don't see this as a "change election"...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

... and there could be worse things than the status quo.

blm

(113,101 posts)
27. Baloney - BushInc was at its most powerful in 2004 and they still had to cheat to win.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:00 PM
Feb 2016

The DNC under McAuliffe was not prepared to win in 2004. The DNC had let the party infrastructure in crucial states like Ohio and Florida wither and die after the 96 election. That cost Gore and it cost Kerry, which means it cost this entire country to suffer through BushInc. I do believe Kerry would have beaten Bush handily in 2000. Remember the Kerry-Weld debates a few years prior?

By the summer of 2006, post SS privatization attempt, post Terry Sciavo, and post Katrina everyone knew that the Democratic nominee would be the next president. Had Kerry run then he would have very likely beaten the GOP nominee.

Good idea to stop pretending that any election is the same. They aren't.

brooklynite

(94,745 posts)
3. A much tougher political edge and a willingness to attack her Republican opponent
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

Kerry's message, as I recall it, was "I'll run things in Iraq more efficiently".

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
9. I campaigned for Kerry
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

And I still question the Ohio results in that election.

If you recall, that was the election where they called the state of Ohio then changed it.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
16. I recall. Kerry brought a lot to the table against a weakened and unpopular candidate who survived
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

Kerry's challenge.

Hillary will do worse than Kerry.

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
23. And the BS supporters are going to make sure of that
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:09 PM
Feb 2016

If BS can't beat her in the primary, what pipe dream tells you that he could win the general election?


Twisted ligic?

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
26. Ditto. Ditto. And Ditto. And I was bummed that he threw in the towel so quickly. The Republicans
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

would have exhausted every avenue and fought a bloody battle before conceding.

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
10. Adoration.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

Mrs Clinton is absolutely worshipped by a cult of personality. Mr Kerry was a byword for being colorless and uninteresting. This is relevant when it comes to questions of motivation and effort. If a loud enough chorus sings the praises of the candidate, it might persuade one or two who have no real opinion on the subject.

-- Mal

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
25. Getting money out of politics is very popular accross party lines
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

as well as with independents. Bernie has an issue which makes his bid fundamentally different.


JI7

(89,276 posts)
21. Kerry was running against an incumbent in wartime just 3 years after 9-11
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

Neither candidate this time will gave that.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
24. I think Hillary has more fight in her.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:34 PM
Feb 2016

That said, it's true that Kerry's chances were slim in a time of war against Mr. Flight Suit.
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