2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCompare Clinton '16 to Kerry '04. Besides her gender, what does Clinton bring to the table that
Kerry didn't offer?
As a candidate, Kerry had a lot of advantages that Clinton does not enjoy (for example, Kerry's war hero status versus Clinton's fib about Bosnian sniper fire that has been humiliatingly disproved by video footage and which would be re-run ad nauseum if she were to make it to the general election).
Clinton does share some of Kerry's strengths (for example, foreign policy experience), but Kerry had some anti-war history and credibility as part of this foreign policy package and Clinton is pretty much a straight up neocon hawk with respect to her foreign policy (I'm not saying that Clinton is Dick Cheney because her domestic policy would be worlds better, but her foreign policy is pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty hawkish).
Comparing Clinton to Kerry, I see no area where Clinton is stronger except the appeal of electing the first woman president (which should have been a definite plus and should have been an electoral advantage that Clinton could have capitalized upon but her un-likability and un-trustworthiness perception among young voters, independent voters, and potential ticket-splitting Republican voters kills off this potential advantage; Clinton, if nominated, would be poised to get a historically low independent/crossover vote and turnout among young Democrats would be anemic).
What -- if anything -- does Clinton bring to the table that Kerry's unsuccessful 2004 campaign didn't offer?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)election.
Clinton is running as the status quo candidate is a change election and so Kerry's vote (which I do not think she could match) would not be enough.
Clinton nomination equals Republican administration (and the downballot implications are too gruesome to contemplate).
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... and there could be worse things than the status quo.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)blm
(113,101 posts)The DNC under McAuliffe was not prepared to win in 2004. The DNC had let the party infrastructure in crucial states like Ohio and Florida wither and die after the 96 election. That cost Gore and it cost Kerry, which means it cost this entire country to suffer through BushInc. I do believe Kerry would have beaten Bush handily in 2000. Remember the Kerry-Weld debates a few years prior?
By the summer of 2006, post SS privatization attempt, post Terry Sciavo, and post Katrina everyone knew that the Democratic nominee would be the next president. Had Kerry run then he would have very likely beaten the GOP nominee.
Good idea to stop pretending that any election is the same. They aren't.
BeyondGeography
(39,383 posts)LexVegas
(6,103 posts)brooklynite
(94,745 posts)Kerry's message, as I recall it, was "I'll run things in Iraq more efficiently".
This and this again.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)However her lines against Sanders make me wonder how she can do that.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)accused of talking about Hillary's gender.
LexVegas
(6,103 posts)liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)And I still question the Ohio results in that election.
If you recall, that was the election where they called the state of Ohio then changed it.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Kerry's challenge.
Hillary will do worse than Kerry.
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)If BS can't beat her in the primary, what pipe dream tells you that he could win the general election?
Twisted ligic?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)would have exhausted every avenue and fought a bloody battle before conceding.
malthaussen
(17,217 posts)Mrs Clinton is absolutely worshipped by a cult of personality. Mr Kerry was a byword for being colorless and uninteresting. This is relevant when it comes to questions of motivation and effort. If a loud enough chorus sings the praises of the candidate, it might persuade one or two who have no real opinion on the subject.
-- Mal
Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)She's a female version of Kerry: All policy, no political savvy.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Yada yada.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)as well as with independents. Bernie has an issue which makes his bid fundamentally different.
JI7
(89,276 posts)Neither candidate this time will gave that.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)That said, it's true that Kerry's chances were slim in a time of war against Mr. Flight Suit.