2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA sincere note to the Bernie supporters here
I've always tried to take a more neutral and rational tone when posting in GDP, with mixed success, but, looking back on my recent posts, I realize that I have been a lot more snarky then usual in the past few days--passing into what I can only describe as gloating. Yeah, that is not a good look.
And I'd like to hope that most people here understand why--we all support our chosen candidates, and, if we post in GDP, we do so with furious zeal. We're on the eve of what looks like a very promising stretch for my candidate and so, yes, I am a bit giddy right now. It has been a long slog of almost a year of campaigning and then early state voting to get to this point. I, and I'm sure a lot of other Clinton supporters, are decompressing rapidly and with excitement, and, at least for me, I think I might have taken that a bit farther than I'd like.
Because, and this is the absolute truth, I have no desire or intention to insult the DU Bernie supporters. I am amazed at the energy, the enthusiasm and the passion you bring here, and in the real world, for your candidate. The Act Blue fundraising totals just from DU for Bernie are incredible, and it says something that, frankly, many of you here are the base that Bernie has so carefully cultivated. And I have a tremendous amount of respect for many of his supporters here--people like HerbChesnut, LWolf, madfloridian and so many others--that I actively seek out their posts in other forums and agree with almost all of the time.
I'm a Clinton supporter. That is not going to change. I'm a numbers guy, and that is not going to change, either. I'm still going to post good news for Hillary, post polling and predictive analyses, step into threads to defend her and her supporters, and reply to correct misinformation. But I'll try very hard to do it in a respectful way. I might not always succeed, but please know I'm trying.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)all along. Hugs, Godhumor. Now about that person you like ...
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)And may I say that my concerns about Hillary's candidacy are genuine and do not come from hate. I fear the Republican turn-out this year, I fear the numbers that say independents and young people don't like her, I fear fall-out from the speeches, and I fear the desire for change we keep hearing about, and she is not a candidate of change. I don't want a Republican president, and I am so very scared she can't make it.
Having said all that, I support Bernie because I have respected and admired him for years, and I believe he would be a very good President. I think all of us who support Bernie just feel our choice should be respected.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I spent s o much of yesterday talking with a trusted friend who apparently is out of her mind with fear about a Trump Presidency. While everyone else at the banquet was talking about how happy they were to have Bernie as a candidate, she was focused totally on her fear.
Yes there are things to fear should Bernie get the Primary win and the party nomination. My main fear at that point would be our shitty Mainstream Media and how they will spend night and day misrepresenting him and lying about him.
But like you are saying, his chances of winning over the indie voters are far greater than Hillary's chances are. (No President gets that office unless they have cross over appeal - of which, Hillary has very little.) And he is the only one that would start this nation out of its slide into total corruption.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)I could very easily be back to blowing figurative raspberries tomorrow (Though I really don't want to). Hopefully putting this in print, so to speak, will prevent me from doing so.
MuseRider
(34,115 posts)with this post. It happens. The fact that I can see you means you have not been too bad, at least in my measure
I have used posts like this from time to time to curtail myself.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)What have I done!
*delete*
pkdu
(3,977 posts)statements , as a fellow HRC supporter. I will try to do better.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The numbers show that she can't win.
The US rejected her warmongering in 2008 and they will do so again. Just look at how far she has dropped already.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Sit back and relax.
It's in the bag for Bernie.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)I'll worry about the GE after we have a candidate sew up the nomination.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)History and all that informs where we are headed. Hillary's warmongering is bad for the future.
Since she can't win the GE, as the numbers clearly show, we should not be supporting the ultimate loser.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Amazing isn't it? In just 9 months Bernie has come out on top.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)it wasn't for all the posts in the HRC group talking about how Super Tuesday can't come fast enough so that we have a nominee and the Bernie supporters have to shove it. Those posts are remembered -- just so we're clear, you are welcome to and I encourage oppo research on Bernie in GDP, all the way to the convention.
I value my choice of candidate being challenged (otherwise I could just go to the echo chamber that is Reddit). That is why I chose my candidate, because I did the research and found the other major candidate lacking. It just seems as if sometimes the tone is that the Bernie supporters should shut up with their legitimate from-the-left criticisms of Hillary (or worse, we are accused of being Republicans because we distrust her)
artislife
(9,497 posts)that were being written when I joined in late Spring.
Same tone, same words and same intent.
It was the dripping of these kinds of posts, along with the dripping of the email scandal, the words and actions of past elections and career choices that eroded the chance of seeing myself as a h voter. Then came this election and the shenanigans of her staff, her surrogates, her caucuses and herself that really dug a canyon. And now, the same posts with all the same gloating is making the canyon into a tunnel to China. And that is probably where the jobs are going to be shipped to if she gets into office.
You may wonder what the intent was, imo. It was to ridicule anyone who even thought h deserved to have to race against someone in the primary.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)And I still support Bernie and nothing will change that either.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Thank you for showing that it is possible to be supportive for your candidate while not trashing other people's choices. I appreciate it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)have a favorable stretch, it will be fun. thanks for sharing the thoughts and congeniality.
and when, after super tuesday, bernie starts taking midwestern and northern states, a heads up that i will be extremely happy
femmedem
(8,204 posts)and its easy to fall into snark, anger or gloating, depending on how things are looking for our candidate of choice.
But we only hurt our candidates when we snark in public, and besides, I think most of us on this board share the same values, just have different strategies for arriving at our goals.
JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)Gives me hope that sportsmanship still lives!
tularetom
(23,664 posts)But if you're giddy with excitement over the possibility that your candidate (any candidate) might win a few primaries or even the nomination, you probably need to shut off the old 'puter and go take a walk, go fishing or play golf for a few days.
You're taking this far too seriously.
angrychair
(8,732 posts)But there is a great amount of presumptive conclusions buried in your dialogue. It could be taken as a back-handed non-apology "apology".
It is also hard not to be critical of the "apology" when you say you are a math person.
Winning SC does not win the nomination. Winning a majority of states on March 1st does not win the nomination. SuperDelegates mean nothing until they cast their vote on the convention floor for a given candidate.
Given the States left on the board and how they are laid out mathematically, Bernie Sanders is viable all the way to the convention.
Most importantly, that, as a math person and politically aware and experienced, that you don't see a serious issue for HRC in the GE is awkward. You have to make a lot of assumptions in order to shoe-horn that victory.
There isn't enough math there to take her across the finish line. The short version is most, if not all, republicans will drag their naked body over a room full of broken glass to vote against HRC. A vast majority of Independents will not vote either. They are more atuned to scandals and history (guilty or not) than most and will never vote for her. Then there is the young and at least some Bernie supporters, that have spent the primary season being called childish, naive, ignorant, going to burn in hell, believers in unicorns and fairy dust and so on. Some will still vote, many will not.
You can counter that tRump is a xenophobic, racist asshat, which is true, sadly it won't matter.
He isn't filling up 20,000 seat venues and besting every other republican, even in their own home state, with just republicans. The math is not In her favor.
All in all, I'd like to believe you but I know, for those, like you, that see an impending victory, you now need to start playing nice for our vote and mend fences that burned to the ground long ago.