2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt is time for Sanders supporters to face the glaring writing on the wall.
The Sanders candidacy was always an extremely long shot. No one knew that more than Sanders himself. Look at footage near the beginning of the campaign as people came up to him telling him they were convinced he would win the nomination. He would tell them "Well, remember there is a long way to go." etc.
Bernie Sanders is a good man but simply too far off the mainstream political grid. The nation would not hire a European-type socialist as its President. He lacks foreign policy experience, and it is very difficult to imagine him as commander in chief of the armed forces. The best thing he and his followers can do is continue to build a high progressive turnout movement especially for non presidential cycle elections and to keep up the pressure on Bernie's staple issues of income inequality and campaign finance reform.
The die was cast in Iowa. He impressively fought to a virtual tie, but that wasn't enough. NH was a given since he is so well known there and lives next door. Nevada sealed his fate. Though he did well given how far behind he was months ago, he was still convincingly beaten because he was out-organized on the ground.
He is about to be crushed in South Carolina which is momentum that will carry Clinton into Super Tuesday where she is already way ahead. After Tuesday Bernie will be so far behind, and Clinton will have so much momentum, that millions of Sanders supporters will see the writing on the wall in a BIG way, and his funding will dry up fast. People will be ready to coalesce around Clinton and start taking the fight to The Trumpet NOW.
Around here, the hyperbolic endless attacks on Hillary are an exercise in futility. Bernie Sanders can't and won't be our nominee. I applaud his effort, his heart, his ultimate goals, and his intentions. He is a wonderful person who cares about people. But he's just not a plausible president in the big picture.
Hillary is brilliant and progressive. It is time to unite and focus the fire on The Trumpet, a racist cartoon character of a carnival barker who is perhaps the most unqualified and unfit person to ever run for the highest office in the land.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)It might be worth remembering that it's usually the ones writing numerous long posts insisting that the other side give up who actually sound desperate.
Bernie is doing just fine thank you very much, and the idea that he'd drop out when the delegate count is 52-51 is just utterly ludicrous.
Hillary will take a decent lead after Super Tuesday but then Bernie gets some good states for him. Make sure you're sitting comfortably, this will be a long ride.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Exactly.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)brooklynite
(94,676 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)trillion
(1,859 posts)people are working behind the scenes for how we Democrats who are disenfranchized by the DNC will go foward.
democratsforward.org - a posting board, has been put up.
It's also for people who will be breaking DU rules if stay here can go, if they refuse to support Hillary if she gets the DNC nomination.
The site is still replicating so will take 12-48 hours to be reached but I can give a direct link to post to it now, via email.
Spread the word.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Still a ways to go yet before running your victory lap! Yes, there's been that desire to do that since before the 2008 election. Get a little bit ahead, and suddenly they want to validate their corporatist media allies' claims!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I could go either way for HRC & Sanders but watching ppl lose their collective shit will be highly entertaining. Like watching a major meltdown.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I was going to wait until Super Wednesday to clear my ignore list ... but it looks like I might miss the pre-show entertainment.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)HAPPY about others' sorrow and disappointment. That's just like the typical Hillary Clinton supporter; saying "fuck you" to your face and dancing.
You should be so proud of yourself. Your cohorts are proud of you I'm sure, but you should be even more proud. I've heard this is being discussed at the Clinton Cave... was it your idea?
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)The blame put on Bernie supporters will be astronomical.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)This is very serious business. Quite literally, peoples lives depend on the result.
We have a one chance in a lifetime candidate running and if we fail to elect him we won't get another. This is it.
Logical
(22,457 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Bernie supporters, act like your poop doesn't stink, mean and just plain classless. Many of your friends in HRC's group have been just as bad as you. Wouldn't it be terrible for you if you did not get the last laugh.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)Also she/he is very alert happy (mostly frivolous alerts that fail spectacularly).
daleanime
(17,796 posts)and they've been wrong every day.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)is you. But you have a lovely day anyways.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Just a reminder, in case there was any lingering doubt.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)today is the beginning of the end of the primary campaign.
Sid
shawn703
(2,702 posts)safeinOhio
(32,713 posts)case the sxxt hits the fan for Hillary. If not DWS would have to appoint someone.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And his position on putting pot users in prison is identical to DWS's.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)nag, nag, nag oh and Hillary is not progressive.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)She is unelectable.
Republicans despise her and will mobilize to vote against her.
Most Bernie supporters dislike her positions, especially the power of "Nope"
The vast majority of Americans find her untrustworthy, and there is a groundswell occuring from people who seek real CHANGE. Those people will not vote for Hillary.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)If Trump is the nominee, a lot of Republicans will vote for Hillary.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Then again, there's the current court case where the judge is leaning towards subpeonas. Who knows - maybe the FBI will determine they have enough evidence to indict her?
If not, we can all 'enjoy' the next four years of indictments, culminating in her impeachment. She and Bill can make history as the first married couple to both be Pres AND be impeached.
You know that is what will happen if Hillary gets "her turn"
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Sanders supporters are misleading themselves with confirmation bias.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)joshdawg
(2,651 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)joshdawg
(2,651 posts)probably chump.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)joshdawg
(2,651 posts)A very simple fact.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But I will vote.
I won't vote for a habitual LIAR who even yesterday LIED about Bernie being a one issue candidate, but I will vote.
joshdawg
(2,651 posts)if he doesn't get the nomination, HRC has my vote. The idea of a chump or creepy cruz or regressive rubio in the White House is just plain frightening.
Having said that: If one does not vote for the Democratic nominee, republicans win for they will vote for their candidate.
If one votes third party, republicans win since the Dems are noted for voting third party if their favorite candidate does not get the nomination.
So yes, vote by all means, but if you want a Democrat in the W.H., one should vote for the Democratic nominee. Even if it means holding your nose while you do.
Have a good day.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)helping the greater of two evils get elected by withholding your vote from their opponent.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)make you think that Trump wouldn't be far, far worse in every conceivable way? Please tell me you don't think that.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)that you and everyone else gets stuck with the greater of two evils?
Have you convinced yourself that refusing to choose between Clinton and Trump would absolve you of any moral responsibility if Trump wins? Seriously?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I have voted as a proper D for 40 years as my party went further and further right. Corporatist and neocon.
I will not vote for We came, we saw, he died. She is a habitual liar who has been all over the map in this latest contest, now she even spouts Bernie's positions. And lies continually about him as a one issue candidate.
Sorry, not voting for her ever. Regardless.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)should it come to that. We won't be alone, that's for sure.
kingCowan
(25 posts)same here and I've never voted for a Republican and never will.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)You will likely hold your nose and do it. Why? Because you realize president Trump is unacceptable to you and the country.
Of course if you don't, then that's your choice, I'm just betting you will.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But if it helps you to think we will all fall in line go for it. We won't.
seattleite
(79 posts)... and Independents are the largest voting bloc. We swing elections. You know that, right?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)what a ringing endorsement. She killed New Jersey and then the EPA's credibility.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)don't they?
Jbradshaw120
(80 posts)I've voted dem my whole life (open disclosure in 27) same is true of my parents and 3 of 4 grandparents and my great grandmother. We came into this primary fully being able and happy to vote for whoever won the primary. However when hillary started the no we can't top liberal pie in the sky unrealistic one issue lines it became a problem. For the first time me and my parents are not sure what we'll do if she wins. We certainly won't vOTE repub, but we may skip the presidential race. I can take losing a primary won't be the first, by it is much harder when my party says my goals are never going to happen and that having them is ridiculous.
brush
(53,815 posts)How could she win in Iowa and Nevada, not to mention the upcoming SC contest if "the vast majority of Americans find her untrustworty".
Maybe the vast majority of Sanders supporters do but let's not get carried away in repeating that often said phrase from Sanders supporters.
Your biases are clouding your judgment.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I think you should stop writing these OPs and find something more productive to do with your time.
But I suspect neither of us is the type of person who gives much of a shit what other people think we should do.
Also, you cast a die, not a dye.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Which has been my impetus in earnestly hoping that she would run a better, more directed, more bold and forward-thinking 21st century campaign this time around, as opposed to the tired 90s playbook rehash we've seen to date.
And also assuming she's the nominee we all better fucking hope there arent any gonna be shoes dropping from the FBI.
But that said, im not sure what you think you're going to accomplish, here. Sanders is still running.
debunction.junction
(127 posts)The reality is that all of us here are spectators at this point, and need to put away our crystal balls.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)It has no bearing on what I choose to do.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)I think the media has gone easy on him.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)It's obvious who is telling the truth and who isn't. Why do those on the Right have so much trouble with facts?
Bernie is talking truth to power and the competition in this primary has no defense except for spin and lies.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)but other than this:
Around here, the hyperbolic endless attacks on Hillary are an exercise in futility. Bernie Sanders can't and won't be our nominee. I applaud his effort, his heart, his ultimate goals, and his intentions. He is a wonderful person who cares about people. But he's just not a plausible president in the big picture.
Hillary is brilliant and progressive. It is time to unite and focus the fire on The Trumpet, a racist cartoon character of a carnival barker who is perhaps the most unqualified and unfit person to ever run for the highest office in the land.
I can't really agree with anything you wrote. Let people vote, let the process play out. People have a right to be heard. It looks like Hillary is about to blow the thing open, but we can wait for it to happen.
Primaries are often nasty (including 2008). Have you looked at the Republican side? They are one step away from dropping their pants on live TV to have a penis measuring contest. At least the HRC vs. Bernie stuff is MUCH more issue oriented (not entirely, and some of the attacks are ridiculous and naive, on both sides).
I think everyone can patiently let it play out. It's already been really good for the Democratic Party and for Hillary Clinton to have this fight. She is a much better candidate than she was a few months ago, and that will pay off in the general election. They'll be plenty of time to coalesce around Hillary, and move this thing forward if the results turn out the way the predictions look.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Why keep wasting time and money on an exercise in futility when Sanders could be doing movement building to help Dems up and down the ticket and Hillary can be focusing the fire on The Trumpet? Let the RePUKES waste time and energy. On our side, when Hillary landslides on Super Tuesday, for all intents and purposes this is DONE. Time to train the fire on the racist carnival barker.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)of this though. The more he fights now, the more him coming into the Hillary camp will mean. If it goes the way we think (and hope) it will, no one will remember this in a month. The one thing that could go horribly wrong, though, is for Sanders to be forced out and/or it to appear that the "Establishment" intervened. Him and his supporters giving it their all and still losing is one: (1) democracy and to be applauded and (2) better for everyone in the long run.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)The monthly contribution I gave to the Obama campaign has been doubled for Bernie. My checkbook will close if he loses the nomination.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)What has changed?
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)I could again give the long list of her progressive credentials, but if you're insisting on purity that is extreme and part of why Bernie is losing. Bernie supporters are losing, in part, for attacking anyone who isn't progressively pure or has the audacity to disagree with Bernie. Sorry, but attempting to claim some kind of purist ownership on the term "progressive" is backfiring for you BIGTIME. Progressive means PROGRESS and NOT purity.
After Tuesday, Mr. Sanders is DONE. There is NO path to the nomination from there.
global1
(25,263 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)to be dishonest.
She is neither progressive nor brilliant.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)You know, I'm almost sorry that Hillary supporters get so worked up about this. Do you honestly believe she will run as a Progressive in the GE or act as a Progressive if elected?
Surely you can see, there is very little chance of that.
That is what is so maddening about this process. That so many people do not see or care that they have been weaned from Progressivism, against their own beliefs and their own best interests by, yes, the Republicans since Reagan. But by the Clintons and the Third Way and so forth for decades now.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)would you actually need to type essentially this same post , over and over again?
Not Sure
(735 posts)Martin Eden
(12,874 posts)That sentence pretty much discredits everything you wrote.
Hillary Clinton may be very intelligent but she has shown extremely poor judgment in Middle East regime change, and she most certainly is not a progressive.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and DO find her to be brilliant and progressive. That FACT pretty much discredits everything YOU wrote. Maybe it's time to reevaluate.
Martin Eden
(12,874 posts)That FACT doesn't make their opinions any more valid than assertions that Hillary is "brilliant and progressive."
Hillary Clinton is a neoliberal establishment politician with close ties to Wall Street. She openly opposes Single Payer health care, voted for the biggest foreign policy disaster in US history, and remains a hawk who has pushed for additional destabilizing regime changes in the Middle East.
Those are the uncontrovertible FACTS.
If, from those facts you draw the conclusion that Hillary Clinton is brilliant and progressive, maybe it's time for YOU to reevaluate.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It means that they like Trump, that's their choice and has no bearing at all on Hillary being brilliant and progressive.
No they're not. They're opinions.
I'm a realist and pragmatic. Hillary will win and will be a much more effective president than any contender. ANY.
Face it... Bernie will not be the nominee. It's just not going to happen. Period. At this late hour, trashing Hillary and badgering her supporters isn't helping him, nor is it hurting her.
Lead. Follow. Or get out of the way... the Hillary Express is moving full-steam-ahead! Nothing's gonna stop us now.
Go, Hillary! We love you!
Martin Eden
(12,874 posts)A large number of people sharing an opinion doesn't make that opinion a FACT. This applies to supporters of any and every candidate -- whether it be Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or Bernie Sanders.
It is entirely illogical to assert otherwise, as you did.
It is an FACT that Hillary Clinton voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq. It is a FACT she supported regime changes in Libya and Syria. It is a FACT the war in Iraq is costing us trillions of dollars and has given rise to ISIS. It is a FACT that ISIS is now gaining a foothold in Libya. It is a FACT Hillary Clinton is opposing Single Payer health care. It is a FACT she has received large sums of money from Wall Street for delivering speeches to them which she refuses to divulge.
Those are FACTS, not opinions.
Based on what you have written, it is apparent you don't know the difference between FACT and opinion.
Understanding the meaning of facts within the context of who would be a better president to lead our country towards a better future with progressive change is a more complicated and nuanced endeavor than knowing simple facts.
Differences of opinion can be valid, but a firm grasp of the facts -- which you apparently lack -- is required.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)It's too bad she doesn't realize that. Your efforts are futile with her but others have, and will, read what you posted.
Martin Eden
(12,874 posts)I know my efforts are futile, so my efforts were to illustrate how illogical Hillary supporters can be.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Hillary is not brilliant and she is not progressive. She is corrupt, and a lot of us are not going to support or vote for her under any circumstances.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)You Berniebros crack me up.
21st Century Poet
(254 posts)Can't we at least wait for some actual results before writing Sanders's political obituary?
The results are not yet in so, even if your post is entirely correct, at this point in time it is nothing more than speculation based on projected results as opposed to actual ones.
global1
(25,263 posts)Happenstance24
(193 posts)Bernie doesn't have to get out until June like Clinton did in 08. Now having said that, Bernie should expect to get nonstop criticism for staying in the race like she did in 08 and that WILL be fair. She was beat up daily by liberal news commentators with calls to get out after the math stopped adding up. The math stops adding up for Bernie Wednesday morning. She was accused of lying to her voters and herself (Keith Olberman, I'm looking at you) nightly. If Bernie doesn't get that same scrutiny then Hillary's point about the media being biased against her cause she is a woman will be proven true.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)During WWII, there was a traitor named William Joyce, who used to broadcast a radio programme to Britain about how Germany was invincible and the Allies needed to just give up now. The British public nicknamed him "Lord Haw-Haw", and used to listen to his broadcasts in order to laugh at them. I suggest Bernie supporters treat posts like this the same way.
The posturing is entertaining.
For people in such an inevitable position, they sure write a LOT of posts trying to convince us (or themselves) of it.
Me thinks they protest too much.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)There are some real knee-slappers to be found there.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Response to RBInMaine (Original post)
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jfern
(5,204 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)As Don Johnson said in the movie Tin Cup: "Ya know, you're all fucking nuts".
Why anyone would want to indicate it's over for Sanders, when he's only 1 delegate behind, is ridiculous.
Wake up people!! Before you go spreading shit all over the place, at least wait until your "so called" results are in.
I do not understand the purpose of this post other than to stir up shit.
https://www.facebook.com/dannyfittro/videos/10201581746180736/?fref=nf
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)I assume you wrote six paragraphs of pure pablum.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)snark + no intellectual merit = waste of my time no thanx.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Just happened to see the post in "trending now." Clickbait
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)she'll make a competent presidentess.
i worry about the direction she'll lead the country in.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Just like wall street scolding, she TOLD me she's progressive. How could you possibly think anything different?
Robbins
(5,066 posts)clinton is no progressive.
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EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Hillary ROUTINELY took hundreds of grand from companies and countries, her foundation to 10s of millions, and then she signed off on deals for those countries as Secretary of State.
Here's an easy example:
Hillary was asked to decide on a deal worth 29 BILLION between Boeing and Saudi Arabia. The State Department said that Saudi Arabia was committing endless abuses against it's population and oppressing women.
Boeing gave the Clinton "Foundation" 10M
The Saudis gave it 25M
Boeing paid Bill 250K for one speech.
Oh and Hillary approved the deal. She even called it a "top priority". Giving one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet billions of weapons. Top priority. Not helping the oppressed women. No. Selling weapons. Oh and - those weapons are currently being used to commit war crimes in Yemen. Awesome result.
And guess who owns the lobbying form for both Boeing and Saudi Arabia?? Why it's Hillary's Campaign Chairman.
And look, if you were half way honest with yourself you KNOW if any republican did this you'd assume they were corrupt, heck you might even sign a petition or two demanding an investigation...
But with your precocious Hillary, you see all of that, and say "PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!"
It's wilful self delusion.
And none of this ^^^ is the behaviour of a progressive.
downeastdaniel
(497 posts)Besides there are other National Level Polls stating the Bernie has a 4% lead over Hillary, so you can count all those chicks based on them all hatching and staying healthy or you can wait until after next Tuesday before pronouncing any trends, unless facts don't matter to you...your choice...but don't try to con me into a Poll Tale please. Fellow Mainer.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)This is more than a candidacy, it is a MOVEMENT, and movements like this one do not die.
Hillary is not brilliant, nor is she progressive, so stop fooling yourself.
debunction.junction
(127 posts)What is the purpose of your post? Obviously, neither side is going to concede at this point. The real problem for some is that the longer Bernie stays in the more momentum he gains. Bernie has said he is in it for the long haul. Bernie is a realist and will concede when it is mathematically impossible to win. I assume you expect Hillary to do the same.
greymouse
(872 posts)Hillary is brilliant and progressive? What a crock. Hillary is a mix of smart and stupid, and she's about as progressive as I'm a citizen of the Planet UgWug.
I see little difference in the disaster meter for the U.S. between Hillary and Trump - war, Wall Street, greed, incompetence - both the same. If you seriously think a lot of progressives are going to swallow voting for Hillary, think again. It would be Mondale all over again. Meanwhile, Bernie clobbers Trump in the general election polls.
I see little difference in the disaster meter for the U.S. between Hillary and Trump - war, Wall Street, greed, incompetence - both the same.
This. So much this! I get so tired of having the Trump bogeyman waved at me as if Hillary is somehow better.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Chickens do you see here?
Vinca
(50,300 posts)on the wall is a bit different. I see a general election with the lowest recorded Democratic vote in recent memory and, possibly, the election of the worst president in the nation's history.
dubyadiprecession
(5,720 posts)Vinca
(50,300 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)FangedNoumenom
(145 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)Highway61
(2,568 posts)You can say he may or may not be the nomination. How do you know he CAN'T? Pretty definitive no? There is a LOT of "feeling the Bern" going on in Portland and Brunswick. Let's just wait until the votes are in shall we? Jeez.
dubyadiprecession
(5,720 posts)democrank
(11,098 posts)by the most gargantuan landslide in the history of mankind. She may get all the Superdelegates plus 75% of the Independent vote and 35% of the Republican vote. In fact, the Democratic Machine has done such a fabulous job of convincing Democrats who have given up to think anew and get out to vote, she may win beyond anyone`s wildest dreams. Just add up all her progressive followers who still cheer her Iraq War vote, cheer her pro-death penalty stance, cheer her Kissinger hug, cheer how much money she gets from Wall Street and cheer "Bring them to heel", and that`s what? 90-95% of our party! I like the "brilliant and progressive" way you describe her.
I`m one of those few Bernie Sanders supporters. I like a politician who is genuine and principled, and I vote on issues, not participate in coronations. I particularly appreciate Bernie`s support for veterans, and I join the VFW and American Legion in honoring him. I`ll take Bernie`s good judgement over Hillary`s experience any day.
Hillary`s wing of the Democratic Party never has much good to say about the real progressive wing....until it`s crunch time, then they assume they`ll have our votes because we have no where else to go.
Times they are a-changin`.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Talk about hyperbolic and endless attacks.
Hillary may be brilliant... but her brilliance surrounds her political goals, not ours.
The Republicans are going to rip her apart. All those people who are talking about "it's her time", don't realize how much we have on earth of OUR TIME.
dchill
(38,515 posts)to drop out of the race. You never know when you might need a nominee.
djean111
(14,255 posts)your shrill and condescending twaddle, can take part of the blame - there is also the fact that she is Third Way, and lies a lot.
You surely don't think you are helping anything with your bloviating, right? You are just having fun. methinks.
riversedge
(70,270 posts)TWEET:
Blue Nation Review ?@BlueNationRev 10h10 hours ago
The REAL Revolution: New Polls Show Women Supporting #Hillary in Staggering Numbers http://bluenationreview.com/the-real-revolution-women-for-hillary/
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The REAL Revolution: New Polls Show Women Supporting #Hillary in Staggering Numbers
Women are uniting around Hillary. Enjoy
The REAL Revolution: New Polls Show Women Supporting Hillary in Staggering Numbers
http://bluenationreview.com/the-real-revolution-women-for-hillary/
By Peter Daou
February 26, 2016
Weve written about the role of men in the virulent personal attacks against Hillary in 2016:
We are witnessing an uprising of straight white males, a revolt from the core of the patriarchy. And their singular target is the woman who is inching closer to the presidency than any other woman in history. Between Trumps torture-loving armies and Bernies brigades of misogynistic trolls, the 2016 electorate feels more like a boiling, churning mob than a political movement, a rage-a-thon more than a revolution.
But perhaps the revolution is not the one everyone is talking about. Perhaps the real revolution is this:
The Quinnipiac University survey shows Clinton with 59 percent support in the Sunshine State, followed by Bernie Sanders, her sole remaining rival, with 33 percent support. Clinton, who is vying to become the first female president, makes strong inroads among women in the state, carrying the demographic by a 69-34 percent margin.
Those are astonishing numbers. And its not just Florida:
In Massachusetts, Clinton leads by 21 points among female voters with a 41-point margin among women over the age of 50.
...............
djean111
(14,255 posts)women do? Tell ya what - just drop the usual "you are not a real woman" sexist shit on me, and move on. I am not tribal, I think for myself. Just because Hillary changes her stances with the polls - doesn't mean I have to do that.
Heh, revolution is not what I would call supporting someone who is most likely to send our children to war, to kill other women's children. Revolution is not what I would call supporting a candidate who sends children back home to die, who supports an even worse corporate trade agreement than NAFTA, who will increase H-1B visas, who is likely to do the Third Way thing to social services, who has offered such a pitiful "fix" to the overwhelming college debt our children face and are dealing with - just so her real constituents, the banks, won't lose a penny and will likely profit.
To support Hillary, given all that, actually would be "voting with my vagina".
NO.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)You sure sound alike.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)but now that the campaign is underway, Bernie leading in many polls, and having won a primary, the real exercise in futility is the argument that he can't possibly win.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)has only just begun.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Fuck the 'mainstream political grid'. It's literally killing us, and laying waste to the planet, leaving nothing to our posterity.
Wise Child
(180 posts). . . . . . . The Daily Taunt Thread!
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,188 posts)Do not fear... It will be quick, and painless... You will be Of the Body, spending a joyous eternity in the welcoming arms of She who Knows All and Sees All... Lie down... Relax... Abandon your misguided rebellion... You cannot win... You cannot win... Your betters know what you need... Give up... Give up... Give up... Send money...
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)over their head it will go
seaotter
(576 posts)The Queen has declared it so.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)I want to exercise the right to vote for my candidate in the New York primary on April 19th. I want my candidate to continue to campaign and fight for fairness, democracy and equality when I cast my ballot. The days of disenfranchising voters or diminishing their votes in a Soviet-style election are over.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Let nothing stand in the way of the "brilliant and progressive" nominee. You might want to alert her campaign about your rhetoric. I think they swore off that "progressive" stuff for the duration.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)There is nothing progressive about her stands on the issues of war, wall street, social programs or minimum wage.There's nothing progressive in regards to her attitude on criminal justice. There's nothing progressive in regards to her stands on trade. HRC is simply not a progressive period. In Ohio. She said some people call her conservative, and said she pled guilty of that. I take her word for it. I want a real progressive to be President. Not someone who only claims to be one at election time.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)And she was proud to have been a Goldwater Girl.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I see a lot of it.
I get that Clinton supporters think she's got SC today. That's probably correct, although I doubt it will be a big margin. At this moment, Clinton and Sanders are tied in voter-determined delegate counts. The "writing on the wall" is that this is going to be a close race all the way to the end, and we're in it every step of the way.
It's ironic that Clinton and her supporters don't see the writing on the wall: voters are waking up, and there is a shift happening. Change is happening. Neo-liberals are not going to be in power much longer.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)what percentage of 21% will Hillary have to win to make it mathematically 'over'...
you probably...not wait...it seems you think it's Super Tuesday 2008...of course, Hillary knows ALL about THAT Tuesday...
either way, nobody is putting anyone away on Tuesday...the math is not there....
but, feel free to continue your astute analyses (plural intended)...
and use google or search engine of your choice to assistance in knowing what you are attempting to talk about...
potone
(1,701 posts)How quickly Hillary supporters forget what happened in the primary campaign of 2008. When it looked like Obama was going to win, there were many posters on DU saying the exact same thing about Hillary. I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
Those of you who vote in early primary states who want Bernie to drop out don't stop to think how arrogant and disrespectful you are being to those of us who live in states that have later primaries. We have a right to have our votes count, too. As someone who lives on the west coast I am sick of being told that the decision should be made before we have the opportunity to vote, and there are a lot of us! Think of the delegate count in California alone, which does not have its primary until June. Please do not let your enthusiasm for your candidate derail the process for the rest of the country, or it will make it even harder for Sanders supporters to support Clinton if she does become the nominee.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)and all this "fall in line" talk this early in the process, especially given that many of these Super Tuesday races are in states that won't be voting Democratic in November, does not endear me to your candidate.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Personally, I think it's past time for the depositions of her aides and Discovery to get underway. If anyone from her team is going to be indicted, let it happen sooner rather than later.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Join the likes of the sneering, arrogant dinos who have nothing but disdain for democracy and liberalism? No thanks.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)It's likely the pledged delegate count will be very close and Hillary will have to count superdelegates on the floor to secure the nomination.
It's not over until those votes are counted and you are talking about a political eternity. Events can and probably will intervene.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I was about to add, "thank you," but I don't thank you.
marlakay
(11,481 posts)And personally don't like the idea that its all over by the time I get to vote!
How many others across America might feel this way also.
Talk about rigged, not just financially but manipulated by the election schedule, like if you don't live in one of the first ten states you make no difference.
I hope Bernie is able to go until June when I vote, many here in CA are supporting him and fighting hard.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)"News flash, the sun will rise tomorrow, water is wet and flows down hill."
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)It's the only SC win she'll ever get.
Meanwhile, Sanders will continue to gain support.... even after SC.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)If Sanders were to heed your advice and stop campaigning after Super Tuesday, Clinton would get less media coverage than she actually will. Sanders will instead stay in, with the result that anything Clinton says about Trump will reach a wider audience.
Are you talking more about DUers? All of us should stop posting in support of Sanders and switch over to criticizing Trump? That would be preaching to the choir. Criticism of Trump on DU will sway no votes. With or without such criticism, virtually no one who reads DU will vote for Trump, except for the right-wing trolls who think more highly of Trump the more he's criticized here.
A final factor is the effect on Sanders supporters and how they vote in November. I personally expect to vote for any Democratic nominee over any Republican nominee. Some people, however, are on the fence. What's best for Clinton, for the Democratic Party, and for the country is to let those people vote for Sanders in April, May, or June. Once they've expressed their opposition to Clinton's more conservative record, it will be psychologically easier for them to hold their noses and vote for her in November.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)I, for one, hope he stays in until the very end -- win or lose.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)She will NEVER get my vote or support.
Logical
(22,457 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Since Richard Nixon, we've elected exactly one candidate, Bush Sr., with any experience. He was a one-termer. Hell, experience in the way we've been conducting foreign policy seems more a negative than a plus to me. In fact, the more I think of it, the more a different approach seems in order.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)They would break out the champaign and caviar in the financial district.
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Must be Opposite Day again.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)Bill Clinton sold us out, Hillary will only do it faster, why should we elect another conservative to sell us out faster and return her nasty sexually challenged deviant spouse to the White House at the same time.
I will if necessary write in Bernie Sanders for the General. I will at least go down screaming and yelling.