...you're really not paying attention.

and WTF???

the corporists have defeated the progressive revolt and in turn unmasked democratic party for what it truly is since DLC took over.

A corporist neocon party.

They can go to hell.

... there is still a lot of hard work to be done.

And was blasted by Bernie for not pushing mcare for all when Obama not only had the GOP against him but some dems. I think plouffe is just stating the obvious. Bernie must know this, he was there for the fight.

...including myself, that Obama gave things away before even going to the table. There isn't anything wrong with that and it doesn't mean that Obama didn't do a great job.

Look how long it took to get aca, Obama knew he had until the midterm to try to get it done because the votes in Congress could be harder to get after the mid term. I hoped he would have fought for it but after seeing the battle he had understood the calculation he made. I'm not mad at him and I'm not mad at Bernie either, I'm glad there are at least a few people getting elected on being more liberal than Obama.
To point out the obvious, even if there is a change election if Bernie is elected, so was 08 and Bernie is going to have some of the same problems Obama had. He is either going to have to calculate the cost of the battle and the chance of success or fight the good fight at risk of being a one term president and sacrificing his entire agenda.

wishes of the actual 'people' who needed change and was told then they didn't matter; whoever said that seems to have been correct.

Rahm, Arne, Daley, Plouffe, the Rubinites. Plouffe is now the evil mastermind behind the Uber P.R. disinformation juggernaut.

dirtbag instead of douchbag (which insults women)

I don't think so.

The opposition she'd get would be like Benghazi on steroids.

They may not like her but they're bought and paid for by the .01% just as Hills is. Bernie threatens their gravy train. Personally, I think after this election the Democratic Party is finished as a major political party.

they will be peamemnt minority party that puts up little resistance to peament gop majority.

Going back to un-enrolled after the general. Maybe before. If this party is all for the Third Way only then it doesn't need me. I don't want to be a part of the the Third Way.

The Bernie wing of the party is obviously pretty massive whether he wins or not. That's a lot of people to piss off. They're going to have a lot of pissed of people to deal with in Nov. And if she does win I hope someone primaries her. I might stay or rejoin the party if that were to happen.

Their interests aren't that different...

Just, wow.

It's all about THEIR jobs, THEIR position, and THEIR power.

They just need to con us into voting for them, and all is well... for THEM.

..when the Corporatist Democrats are blocking the way.

If this keeps up, the Party could be heading for a major split.

They're bought by the same corporate interests Hillary is.

Business as usual even from the ones who are supposed to be on our side, if that is the case why bother voting dem then if he will be blocked by dems and reps then I will hope to fuck he gets in, they can then show what the fuck they really are...

They control the Legislative Agenda.
Elect a better Congress.

by their own Party... especially if the threat is being made to swing an election.

I've been dangling by a fragile thread for months. It broke just now. I'm done.

...must think of their own war chests. Their constituents? Not so important.

they have a sweet gig: 1. play the underdog, 2. keep both parties sliding rightwards, 3. blame the voters for each loss, 4. keep on cashing the checks

Elected officials gain legitimacy through voters not themselves. There are too many elected officials that think they are entitled to vote. They need to learn that votes are earned. If you are angry about this I recommend you get off DU, and contact your senators and representative.

It's a vote that says "Go ahead, Dem establishment, keep flogging me. I love it!"

I keep telling you that you'll never be happy in the Party and it's time for you to branch out on your own, but for some reason you want to thank them and can you have another.



Oh well, the conclusion is you enjoy being abused. So be it. We can do that.

I'd be giving it the green light.

Which is why I'm critical of him for not taking his policy papers more seriously (the health care one was a joke, for God's sake: it claimed pharma spending would be negative). That's not to say Democrats can't be sold on something like it, but he needed to actually do the homework there.

Bernie's Party Chair could recruit and fund progressives to begin putting Democrats in office that actually want to do what Bernie and most Democrats want to have done.

If we never elect a progressive President that can put in place a progressive Party Chair, we will continue to have DWS's and Tim Kaine's and they will continue to recruit and fund corporatists (i.e. Tammy Duckworth, Hassan, et al ad nauseum).

We have to find a way to elect a progressive President or the corporatocracy will remain firmly in place within the Democratic Establishment.

It's completely lost its way.

This has been something that I have been saying over and over for a long time. It is something that has never been addressed by Bernie Sanders or his campaign.

Bluntly speaking, as I have said in the past, Bernie (if he were to be elected) would face obstruction not only from Republicans but also from many Democrats. Therefore, what would be Bernie's solution to this problem? Would he support primaries against Democrats who blocked his agenda?

The most I ever got out of Sanders was vague notions of a revolution and the voters rising up. Yeah, but what are the voters rising up to do? Who is leading them?

I pointed to the treachery of DWS, and how Bernie Sanders has done NOTHING to hold her accountable. If I am not mistaken she is being primaried. Yet, is he campaigning for her primary rival? As far as I know, the answer there is no.

"The Revolution" is pointless if it is toothless. Everyone knows that the first rule after winning the Revolution is to begin purging everyone who might challenge the new regime.

This was one of the reasons I could never enthusiastically support Sanders, despite the fact that I disliked Clinton. I see him, as the leader of the "Revolution" as fundamentally weak. He will be in the same place he was in the Senate, except he would be in the White House, and he would get nothing done and be forced to compromise with his own party. There would only be marginal differences between a Sanders administration and a Clinton administration as a result--the big difference being that Hillary could rally the D.C. Democrats behind her and coordinate attacks on Republicans, while Sanders would be standing there alone.

It's telling that he couldn't even force Elizabeth Warren to back him, when they share the same fucking message. Bernie may be loved by the grassroots, but when it comes to wielding power, Hillary is brutally curb stomping him. I mean, holy shit, the entire reason Bernie's foreign policy message sucks is because Clinton basically locked up EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRATIC FOREIGN POLICY ADVISER in DC. The message was sent out that if you go over to Sanders or anyone else, that she would lock them out of her Administration. So, no one in the Foreign Policy establishment has been willing to help Bernie. That's how Clinton is playing this game.

they need to be shown the door. Did you think just getting Bernie elected would make good stuff happen? What do you really think he means when he says "change the face of American politics"? Dump the Blue Dogs. Get sh_t done.