2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy we should NOT ignore the SC vote.
Greetings to my fellow DU members on both sides of this thing, it's one hell of a primary so far, isn't it? Also, congratulations to Clinton and her supporters here and elsewhere tonight, you earned one heck of a victory, which I acknowledge and applaud.
I have been reading here at DU every day for a while now... hard for me to do much else right now, severe back pain, recently unemployed, etc. I can still sit and type though! I can still do something for my candidate - and I intend to do all I can.
I am a fanatic Bernie supporter, I believe powerfully in his message, in his policies, in what he can do - in what we can all do, moving forward together. I do not like Clinton. I do not trust her, I do not agree with her policies. That does not mean I do not respect her abilities - I absolutely do. I also have a great deal of affection and respect for her supporters, despite the arguments and snark I have traded here with them, I believe you're all good people, fighting for what you believe in, same as I am.
Clinton won a powerful victory tonight... a large number of African American voters, female voters, poor voters... all voted for her. It was big, it was meaningful, the Sanders campaign suffered a heavy defeat. I am not throwing in the towel, neither is Bernie, nor are his supporters, I believe, however, that we should move forward in good grace and with respect for our political opponents, congratulate them on their victory, these primaries are hard fought - and hard won.
That being said, I believe that we Sanders supporters should pay close attention to the result of the SC vote. We should ask ourselves why more African Americans didn't vote for Mr. Sanders. We should ask ourselves why more women did not do so. We should ask ourselves why many others did not so. We should ask ourselves why - and do what we can through reach out efforts, through strategy, through get out the vote efforts... to encourage them, to convince them to vote with us. We should do respectfully, we should do so honestly, we should do so eagerly... and we should do so NOW.
This race is far from over... I feel a bit like a broken record with how many times I've said that the last few days - but it's true. There are many states still to go. Let's concede defeat in SC with grace (as Bernie did), let's consider how we can do better moving forward. Please, let's not bash the states, or different races, genders, religions... or other groups of people. There are good people and bad people in every state, among every group, from all walks of life, all circumstances. Individuals. Individuals worthy of our respect and our consideration. Worthy of our empathy. Worthy of our friendship.
I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks this vote is meaningless. Every. Vote. Counts. Let's go get ourselves some more. Moving forward with hope...
A final congratulations to Clinton and her supporters. Well done.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Thank you!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)By conservative, I don't mean right-wing conservative. I mean in the sense that they don't want to take risks. They were reluctant to support Obama initially, but he was more connected to the establishment and their fear diminished over time. I think that their fear over risk may diminish over time, but probably not in time for Bernie to win any southern states.
LexVegas
(6,108 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)And Clinton performed best in the most Democratic.
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)... how all AAs think and vote.
I'm sure their support for HRC couldn't possibly be due to their belief that she's the better candidate.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Different times!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I still think that he can win....but Obama proved that he could win by taking IOWA. If Bernie had solidly won the first three contests, he would have been received more consideration, but not necessarily a win in SC.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Years ago, a good friend in NC who is LDS said they are a whole different ball game of AA church-going conservative Democrats in SC and the south--large numbers of whom are anti-abortion and anti-gay due to their religious beliefs.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)They will get a much larger percentage of Black and Latino voters.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)like a rouge wave - many things came together
some obvious - others less so
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I do hope Bernie and his campaign takes this seriously because if dems keep the WH we need the Obama coalition. Both Bernie and Hillary are missing components of that coalition.
I am not mad a Bernie and I really hope he can garner more support because I am a democrat and if he is the nominee, I want him to win the GE. I will vote for Hillary in my primary but inspite of my tendency towards snark, I don't think it benefits the next nominee to have important Obama coalition voters alienated.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)who called all bernie supporters racist and sexist as they did bernie himself.
Bill Clinton called all bernie supporters like the tea party.
Your wrong.race is over.Blacks will vote for clinton no matter what.and will women 45 and older.
Bernie's entire message and ideas have been rejected.Clinton is enemy of them.Sooner ebrnie supporters realize this the better.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Individuals called Bernie and Bernie supporters racist and sexist. Individuals called Bernie and his supporters racist and sexist. A small group of people, making extreme, broad brush statements, which are absolutely in NO WAY representative of the whole group.
Bernie's message hasn't been rejected by me, hasn't been rejected by the thousands and thousands of people still showing up to hear him speak. It has not been rejected by many of our fellow DU members. There is, further, a difference between a political opponent and an actual enemy. We (Bernie supporters) can absolutely work together with Clinton supporters and I have faith that we will, moving forward, regardless of who wins the nomination. No, it's not over, but I will concede once more, that tonight we faced a strong defeat in South Carolina.
There are still many states to go. African Americans will vote for whom ever they damn well please, as should everyone else, but no one has a crystal ball to tell us exactly how everyone is going to vote. People change their minds, they compromise, they reach out to each other and find that, hey, we're all human beings who bleed and cry the same way, maybe we can respect each other... maybe we have some things in common...
I am not going to exclude people in my congratulations. A victory is a victory. A vote is a vote. Every. Vote. Counts.
Moving forward...
Robbins
(5,066 posts)bernie's message has been rejected by democratic party.
no we can't work with supporters of candiate who is the enemy just as much as entire republican party is the enemy.
Blacks have right to vote for wherever they want.just as i have right to reject those who have atacked me like bill clinton who speaks for wife and democratic party.But,blacks have proven they are for clinton no matter what as nevada and NH prove.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)datguy_6
(176 posts)Time to drink some more...
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)and ridicule.
HRC won 70% of the women vote and an overwhelmingly large percentage of the Hispanic/Latino vote.
I suspect that as we get to states like Texas, Florida and Georgia, those margins of victory will remain incredibly wide.
But many of us AA DUers have been badgered left and right by Sanders supporters for either not supporting Sanders outright or for remaining neutral (me).
These same supporters have not treated women and other minority groups this way. Only AAs. Telling...
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)You have my sympathy and my empathy for the way you were treated by some Sanders supporters. I urge you though, to remember that those people are individuals, they are not Mr. Sanders, they are not his supporters as a whole. I have seen some posts here that have made me sick - but I have also seen some really great stuff... on both sides of this debate.
I absolutely will not hate or ridicule anyone for how they vote or how they intend to vote - unless they're voting for Trump or one of the republican candidates, in which case I reserve the right to mock them into infinity and beyond.
I grew up in a very rural, very white area - and still live in one, at present. Northern Maine is very, very white. So when I went to Job Corps (very, very diverse) as a teenager, I became aware of the fact that, not only was I a racist prick, I also had absolutely no comprehension of the oppression that African Americans, Women, latinos, the poor... and many other groups had faced in the past, or were facing at present. My little sheltered world was put in a bottle and shaken really damned hard - and thank the Universe for that. I am a much better person for having been blessed with diversity in my life. I am deeply grateful that I had that experience.
I certainly can't speak for all Bernie supporters, but neither can an individual supporter for me, nor can any one of us speak for the whole group. I have seen some of the posts that badgered the hell out of African American voters - and I am sorry you had to see that crap. That is not DU. That is not Sanders. That is not our political revolution. We've got some individuals doing some stupid, ignorant, cruel things - but they are individuals, not representative of the whole group.
It's about all of us, moving forward together, with greater opportunity, greater equality, the chance of a better life, higher wages, higher education, healthcare - and so much more. Things I believe in very deeply, that I believe will benefit us all greatly.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)it's over but you have to keep attacking us.
I am seeing posts after posts of you attacking all bernie supporters as racists.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Never mind that if the entire country voted like black women, we'd be one of the most progressive nations in the world.
Somebody played baseball with 12 black people and they were conservative!11 OOOOOooooooOOOOOooooooo!!!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Black Lives Matter, among many other chants. These faces were young, old, Asian, Black, Indian, Middle Eastern and yes, mostly those faces looked white. We covered the Cathedral of Learning down 5th Avenue to Market Square.
I have been talking with many Bernie Sanders supporters in AA communities and other areas that seem to be remote from any MSM message of his platform and the issues. We have real conversations. I don't believe you've met enough of us here. You couldn't find us in the Hillary Clinton Group because we get banned if we comment there. I guess I could blame the majority of Clinton supporters, based on that, but I DON'T.
Maybe some people should take notice of who gives this this attitude to you. Let this serve as notice...
I suspect the vast majority of Bernie Sanders' supporters demonstrate the exact opposite of this behavior.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)then don't worry about it.
But seriously, it's been absolutely horrid here at DU.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Unless you live in Pittsburgh or the East communities surrounding it.
PM me if you want ideas to reach out in your areas.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)(I'm assuming you are on FB) https://www.facebook.com/MD4Bernie
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)H2O Man
(73,627 posts)This is really an outstanding essay. I enjoyed reading it. You have a way with words. Thank you.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)clinton supporters enjoy winning tonight.