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bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:28 PM Feb 2016

Rank and file Democrats did this. Period.

The Establishment of either party can choose their preferred candidate, but that does not guarantee actual voters.

Ordinary Democrats (who are not part of the 1% or Wall Street) are actually quite capable of making a decision on their own and choosing the best candidate. And in South Carolina, that choice was crystal clear.

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Rank and file Democrats did this. Period. (Original Post) bluestateguy Feb 2016 OP
Exactly, thanks SC, the results are great. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #1
The base has spoken.nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #2
The base in 4 states have spoken. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #3
Virtual tie! LexVegas Feb 2016 #5
The difference between a tie and a virtual tie is that in a virtual tie... Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #13
Two ties? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #21
Sanders has not won the minority vote in any of the primaries that have occurred so far Number23 Feb 2016 #19
The voters have spoken Gothmog Feb 2016 #4
The voters in South Carolina have spoken nt. malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #7
If she wins the nomination, do you expect SC will be a win for her?n/t sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #6
Um, no. bluestateguy Feb 2016 #11
Thank you. Because I just can't. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #18
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Feb 2016 #26
There's a joke to be made about "Rank Democrats", but even I'm not... Barack_America Feb 2016 #8
We're all corrupt, racist, war-mongering, neocons now. cpwm17 Feb 2016 #15
Clinton Supporters and war malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #24
The military is for the little people cpwm17 Feb 2016 #25
Already retired done multiple deployments. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #31
CNN shows... scscholar Feb 2016 #9
They include unpledged delegates, which is misleading. morningfog Feb 2016 #10
Actually, according to AP, Clinton has 544 delegates and Sanders has 85 Number23 Feb 2016 #20
Unpledged delegates are establishment Dems krispos42 Feb 2016 #30
Voter turnout was 30% or less in all counties reporting in SC. TM99 Feb 2016 #12
That's a good reason not to be a Democrat then Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #14
^^That^^ onecaliberal Feb 2016 #16
Thanks. Much appreciated. Again, people are making a big deal about the South being GOP Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #17
Exactly!! Great post. K & R nt Persondem Feb 2016 #22
Still voting for Sanders! HRC has dibs on the red, red, Dems never win States. nc4bo Feb 2016 #23
You mean rank and file democrats that allow themselves to be dictated to by the establishment. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #27
Sanders won white men in SC CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #28
It was also crystal clear in Iowa and New Hampshire and Nevada krispos42 Feb 2016 #29

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
13. The difference between a tie and a virtual tie is that in a virtual tie...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

one of the candidates lost.

It is Clinton 3 and Sanders 1.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
19. Sanders has not won the minority vote in any of the primaries that have occurred so far
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

Not in one. Even in NH, Clinton won the majority of the black vote.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
11. Um, no.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:43 PM
Feb 2016

Nor did I ever expect South Carolina to be a swing state for Barack Obama, John Kerry or Al Gore.

Nor would it be for your candidate.

Bill Clinton did a fall campaign stop in 1992 and he got booed at a race track.

And Mondale and Dukakis, were just pathetic.

Bernie has a fighting chance in Oklahoma, would he be contesting that state in the fall?

Delegates are delegates no matter where they come from.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
8. There's a joke to be made about "Rank Democrats", but even I'm not...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:38 PM
Feb 2016

...that bitter.

But, my God, is progressivism dead within this party as a whole. Very, very clear now.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
15. We're all corrupt, racist, war-mongering, neocons now.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

Nobody that supports Hillary has any standing to call Republicans any of the above, because they are them.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
24. Clinton Supporters and war
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:06 AM
Feb 2016

If Hillary Clinton wins the primary and the general election I hope those who supported her in the primaries have the decency to join the military in order to support her wars she mostly will be engaging in.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
25. The military is for the little people
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:24 AM
Feb 2016

and the brown people that are on the business end of the bombs lives don't mean shit.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
31. Already retired done multiple deployments.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:17 AM
Feb 2016

Does that give me the right to vote for her without ridicule from the party of purity?

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
9. CNN shows...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:38 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.cnn.com/election

Hillary at 536 delegates to Sanders at 83. Is that correct? They're so often wrong, so I'm curious. If it's true, that's sad.
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
10. They include unpledged delegates, which is misleading.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

The count as of now is H - 89, B - 63 pledged delegates, with 4 left to be allocated in SC.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
30. Unpledged delegates are establishment Dems
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:58 AM
Feb 2016

Senators, governors, representatives, etc. Basically DNC VIPs. Hillary had them months or years ago. There are several hundred of them

Pledged delegates directly represent the outcome of the primary results because they are required to vote for a candidate in the convention.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
12. Voter turnout was 30% or less in all counties reporting in SC.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

23% of registered voters are Democrats.

She lost the 18-29 year olds and the Independents.

She won a victory in the primary, but for the general these numbers do not look good for her or the Democratic Party.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
14. That's a good reason not to be a Democrat then
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

They're voting for basically Henry Kissinger's pal who laughs maniacly when asked about bombing, murder, and death.

Rank and file Democrats clearly don't care about the same things I care about.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
17. Thanks. Much appreciated. Again, people are making a big deal about the South being GOP
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:00 PM
Feb 2016

states, but the South and the West are where the bulk of Democrats live and vote.

That does not mean that they don't have a presence in the NE and Midwest; it's just that population density is highest in the South and West. These are facts. There's no need for people to get defensive about that.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
23. Still voting for Sanders! HRC has dibs on the red, red, Dems never win States.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

Gonna be a loooooong primary.

Bernie's not going anywhere - as disappointing that has to be for HRC.

My advice to her is: keep workin those high dolla donors girlfriend,

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
27. You mean rank and file democrats that allow themselves to be dictated to by the establishment.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:47 AM
Feb 2016

Or just stay home which is what the majority appear to be doing.

 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
28. Sanders won white men in SC
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:52 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders lost white women 60-40 in SC, needs work.
Sanders may have won Hispanics in NV
It may be be too late for blacks to warm up to Sanders and the progressive platform.

But still room for hope for states with more favorable demographics.

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