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Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:34 PM Feb 2016

SC exit polls say white 58-42 for Sanders. Black 84-16 for Hillary.


Samples were 62% black and 34% white. Reported turnout was 61% black, while Obama's turnout in the 2008 primary was only 55% black. (On edit: Hillary outperformed Obama among blacks, scoring 84-16, when Obama beat her with only 76% of the black vote. -http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/27/politics/south-carolina-primary-exit-polls-democrats/ )

Something does not add up. Does anyone have more information? One link reported light turnout.

It is possible from these numbers to conclude southern dem whites stayed home. Possibly to Trump?

Any thoughts?
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SC exit polls say white 58-42 for Sanders. Black 84-16 for Hillary. (Original Post) Land Shark Feb 2016 OP
Turn out in all counties was no more than 30%. TM99 Feb 2016 #1
Does Hillary really claim more black support %-wise than Obama? Land Shark Feb 2016 #25
I know. I saw that. Apparently Hillary really does have a lock on the Black Vote. napi21 Feb 2016 #2
I don't see how bernie can win Robbins Feb 2016 #10
Caucuses and labor unions snowy owl Feb 2016 #28
Just in SC RobertEarl Feb 2016 #15
I'm not saying anythin like "They're all the same", but the media keeps saying napi21 Feb 2016 #17
The 58%-42% advantage for Sanders with white voters was the initial exit poll results. TexasTowelie Feb 2016 #3
Final Exit Poll Results Henhouse Feb 2016 #9
Do you mean the adjusted exit polls or just later raw data? Land Shark Feb 2016 #16
So focusing elsewhere was not a bad idea... datguy_6 Feb 2016 #4
Actually the NYT exit polls show Hillary won the white vote (54%) and the black vote book_worm Feb 2016 #5
So what should we extrapolate from this as regards over all votes tallied across the nation? 2banon Feb 2016 #6
Actually, your white vote total is off vdogg Feb 2016 #7
The initial exit polls I printed at 701 pm from msnbc are correctly stated in the title of the OP Land Shark Feb 2016 #24
Your white voter numbers are wrong. DCBob Feb 2016 #8
I have printouts of exit polls from MSNBC. You probably refer to other exit polls Land Shark Feb 2016 #14
See post above citing cnn final exit pol numbers. DCBob Feb 2016 #18
No. The printouts I did ay 701 pm just no longer match the numbers they have up now Land Shark Feb 2016 #22
E-voting RobertEarl Feb 2016 #11
+1 nt NCTraveler Feb 2016 #27
That is my observation AgerolanAmerican Feb 2016 #12
Proof the last minute "super predator" swiftboating never connected. oasis Feb 2016 #13
Ever since electronic voting machines appeared on the scene, exit polls never match valerief Feb 2016 #19
It's called FRAUD. I'm sure there was plenty in SC ... ThePhilosopher04 Feb 2016 #23
That is interesting, isn't it? Marr Feb 2016 #32
The misinformation was from the media and some Berniebots trying to blame Hillary for light turn out Jitter65 Feb 2016 #20
Hillary can't win the general with a base of African Americans and older white women ... ThePhilosopher04 Feb 2016 #21
So many of the former in states she has no chance in in the GE... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #30
Your link: "Clinton won almost every group of voters -- including men, women, white and black" ucrdem Feb 2016 #26
I know. I just have the printout from 701 pm and the figures have changed after that Land Shark Feb 2016 #29
Ah. ucrdem Feb 2016 #31
White voters made up 35% of the voters. AA turn out was higher than 2008. Historic NY Feb 2016 #33

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
25. Does Hillary really claim more black support %-wise than Obama?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

Because that is what the adjusted exit poll data say.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
2. I know. I saw that. Apparently Hillary really does have a lock on the Black Vote.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

I honestly thougt the talking heads might have that wrong, or at least were overstating reality, but I was wrong.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
10. I don't see how bernie can win
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

she has lock on black vote as both nevada and SC.that's their right.even though i strongly disagree

the caucus states may be fixed against bernie as iowa and nevada prove

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
28. Caucuses and labor unions
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:07 AM
Feb 2016

I wondered about that. I read that Harry Reid called the union bosses and told them to get their members out there for Hillary. So, since caucuses are visible and personal, is labor afraid to caucus for their own choices or under pressure to please the union bosses? That may be a huge failure in the caucus system.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
15. Just in SC
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

To say she has the black vote everywhere would be like saying they are all the same. No one should ever say that.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
17. I'm not saying anythin like "They're all the same", but the media keeps saying
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:53 PM
Feb 2016

the Clintons are well known and trusted by the Black Community in our Country. it's very hard for a white man who's relatively unknown to break through that bond. THAT's the meme that I was hoping was wrong. At least right now, they appear to be right.

I HOPE I'm proven wrong next Tuesday! My husband and I will be voting for Bernie and we're in Ga. I'll contribute my one vote and hope a lot of others do too!

TexasTowelie

(112,510 posts)
3. The 58%-42% advantage for Sanders with white voters was the initial exit poll results.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

Later exit polls showed Clinton winning 53%-47% among white voters. Clinton also gained a few points among black voters in the later exit poll results.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
6. So what should we extrapolate from this as regards over all votes tallied across the nation?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

i'm just talking about ballots now. not the super delegate counts in the primaries or electoral college vote.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
7. Actually, your white vote total is off
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

But white voters only made up 35% of voters in South Carolina on Saturday, according to the polls, and Clinton beat him with that group 54%-46%.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/27/politics/south-carolina-primary-exit-polls-democrats/

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
24. The initial exit polls I printed at 701 pm from msnbc are correctly stated in the title of the OP
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:58 AM
Feb 2016

They are different now, along with other categories http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/primaries/SC

If I printed out initial exit polls then there was somehow a swing from a 16 point Sanders lead to an 8 point Clinton lead during the day.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
14. I have printouts of exit polls from MSNBC. You probably refer to other exit polls
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

My post is basically a question. Perhaps your answer is that the exit poll I have has unrepresentative samples?

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
22. No. The printouts I did ay 701 pm just no longer match the numbers they have up now
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:52 AM
Feb 2016

For example, my printout for exit polls ages 17-29 says Sanders 63, clinton 37. The same link now says 60-40 in favor of Sanders. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/primaries/SC possibly, I was still looking at "initial" exit polls but my numbers are not "off". If I am looking at initial numbers there is quite the huge gap between intial (16 point Sanders victory) and final for white voters

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. E-voting
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

On DU we have seen on numerous occasions multiple recs from one poster on a singular thread. The e-vote is easily manipulated. DU has proven so.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
12. That is my observation
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

Many of my neighbors who usually join me at the polls on Election Day declined this year because they had already voted for Trump.

oasis

(49,427 posts)
13. Proof the last minute "super predator" swiftboating never connected.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

You gotta give the SC folks credit for knowing bullshit when they see it.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
19. Ever since electronic voting machines appeared on the scene, exit polls never match
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:42 AM
Feb 2016

vote results. Once a reliable indicator, they're considered pretty much shit now.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
23. It's called FRAUD. I'm sure there was plenty in SC ...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:53 AM
Feb 2016

the exit polls were adjusted to fit the crime.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
32. That is interesting, isn't it?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:14 AM
Feb 2016

I remember when exit polls were broadly described as the most reliable indicator of election results. It was just a truism.

Then electronic voting came along and suddenly exit polls were totally unreliable, and 'everyone knew that'.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
20. The misinformation was from the media and some Berniebots trying to blame Hillary for light turn out
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:46 AM
Feb 2016
 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
21. Hillary can't win the general with a base of African Americans and older white women ...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:51 AM
Feb 2016

she will get drilled by Trump ... BADLY.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
30. So many of the former in states she has no chance in in the GE...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:13 AM
Feb 2016

Great primary strategy...in November, not so much.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
26. Your link: "Clinton won almost every group of voters -- including men, women, white and black"
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:03 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/27/politics/south-carolina-primary-exit-polls-democrats/

She won white voters. The only group she didn't fully capture was the 18-29 year olds.

Historic NY

(37,454 posts)
33. White voters made up 35% of the voters. AA turn out was higher than 2008.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:44 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton won almost every group of voters in South Carolina -- including men, women, white and black voters. She also won across the ideological spectrum of Democrats in South Carolina -- winning at least 70% of voters who said they were conservative, moderate, liberal and very liberal.

Clinton also edged out Sanders among voters who said they wanted someone honest, 51%-49%

But white voters only made up 35% of voters in South Carolina on Saturday, according to the polls, and Clinton beat him with that group 54%-46%.

Sanders won voters under the age of 29, 54% to 46%, but they only accounted for 15% of the electorate Saturday. But Clinton won voters over the age of 30 almost 3 to 1 over Sanders.


?@chucktodd

Updated SC exits w/final interviews give Clinton even BIGGER
lead among AfAm vote (87-13) and she now LEADS among white
Dems (53-47). Wow
7:55 PM - 27 Feb 201

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