Safely within the MOE, I would presume.

We should be putting our strongest candidate forward, not one who has a history of a strong ceiling on her national poll numbers.

And unless Trump does what Bernie did, and just stop campaigning (in SC for bernie, nationally for Trump) then Hillary's numbers will not go up. They never do for her.

Because...stuff.

we are going to lose.'

Marco Rubio

Goes both ways, for BOTH parties.

And Bernie is the most liked and most trusted.

I'm glad you 'got' this. Spread it around.

undecided voters to. There are a TON of undecided voters with the election a few days away.

If DUers want Bernie to win we have to volunteer to get out the vote. As he says, if turnout is high, it's great for him. Everybody pitching in one by one can make it great for him.

....Hillary for the party. Anyone would be honestly. I was a DraftBiden, then M'OM supporter until those wheels fell off. I've already gone through my stages of grief.

Now I'm just sitting back and watching the party shoot itself in the foot.

That'll be interesting!

Mark my words!

That doesn't change the fact that Hillary is an weak candidate. I mean she's under FBI investigation!

I dunno what the rest of you are doing.

Polls do lie when such poling is based on bad data and premise. Nate Silver and other are clear that these polls are worthless in part because Sanders had not been vetted. Clinton has been vetted for two decades but the GOP and the press have not paid any attention to Sanders and so these polls are meaningless. Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

by not attacking Bernie AT ALL, thus hoping he will be nominated...or they haven't gotten around to him yet, but will if he wins the nomination. There have be NO Bernie attacks on those things which will resonate with the fear and ignorance of the American people. To name a few: socialist (you can say democratic socialist all you want...they just hear socialist), agnostic, culturally Jewish (i.e. not Christian), pro-pot legalization, wants to raise taxes. The polls will change drastically a month or two after those kinds of ads begin. I'm not proud of the people who will respond to those ads, just being realistic.

fact clinton has horrible negative numbers now.and you think right won't attack her.bullcrap.

and what exactly would electing clinton get us? for certain a republican senate.someone more willing to sign centrist and corporate things they pass just like her husband.and who will support more war.and then gurante dems are killed in 2018 assuring gop control of house till 2032 at least possibly longer.

Here is a good thread talking about these polls http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511038010

The reliance on these polls by Sanders supporters amuse me. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/harrys-guide-to-2016-election-polls/

Let's focus first on nominating the right one, already.

I want to see Sanders people work for it.

..and that is that the party powers and bigwigs will take away the completely wrong lesson from this loss.

Not that they need to advocate for progressive values. Not that they need to appeal to people's hopes and dreams rather than scolding them and telling them what they can't do and what can't be done. Not that they need to nominate candidates who give them a reason TO vote FOR them and not just to vote against the other guy.

The lesson they'll take away is that they need to be more conservative and more like Trump.

Mealy mouthed, pathetic, third way centrist Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed.

We know that Hillary and Sanders lose in SC. That is why last night's results were not a relevant predictor of the outcomes in the GE.

How the heck is Trump going to win a state like Florida with huge latino and black populations? Without Florida the Republican candidate has virtually no chance of winning.

You answer that question and tell us why Trump is any different.

Answer that and you have your answer.

One only has to look at GOP domination in those regions and the Independent vote and their fixed, long-held (negative) opinion of Hillary.

it will become crystal clear why Trump is going to have a very hard time beating Hillary.

I just listed the factors that I believe count against her. What is the basis for your assumptions?

huge majorities in a bunch of states.

Polls don't tell the truth either. They're just a snapshot.

No Dem is going to win SC.

Don't fear a loss,

Fear is one of the most effective manipulations by conservatives, be they republicans or democrats.

With apologies to Frank Herbert:

Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration of hope

Face your fear, permit it to pass over and through you.

When it has gone past, turn your eye to see its path, there will be nothing...

But you with your hopes and dreams will remain.


Embrace the possibility of loss. Over time it leaves for tomorrow that which is better

Some people simply have no clue as to what they represent.

You want him to be the candidate then you need to convince the base to nominate the man. So far you're not managing.

You guys nominate him then I'll vote for him, as will almost every Clinton supporter. Stop railing at the world and get your ducks in a row. Clinton supporters learned from losing in 2008 and now she's winning handily.

Do your electoral gruntwork or stop crying.

esp as we're still in primary season. Talking about Rubio is pointless, as he has no shot at the nomination, for starters.

This isn't hard.

what it would be if Bernie got all the support from the Democratic Party, instead of them trying to bury him. WOW, we'd trounce them.
But I think the Corporate Democrats are more interested in their raw power than in actually working for the people or the country.