he's telling you what a large number of Sanders supporters will do in November: vote for a progressive candidate, or vote for someone not beholden to big money. Or someone that supports universal healthcare.

In other words, not Clinton.

Based on his small sample of data.

I can say that in my group there is a decent amount of people who will vote Hillary as the lessor of two evils. I can also say they is a group of about 25% that are willing to vote for all dem candidates but president if Hillary is nominated. For many the reasons are the same as others. Corporatist, war mongerer etc. This should be a yuuuuuuge warning, but some will turn a blind eye. Personally if Sanders doesn't win the primary I will be finished canvassing, donating, calling etc. I will vote for Hillary, reluctantly. But that's all she gets my vote.. no support, it's up to the blind allegiance to take it the rest of the way.

The only silver lining in a HRC nomination is I get to save $2700. I would not give one red cent to that woman.

...and get a pretty good read on their state. I'm sure you know this from the work you do!

Thanks for the view in, Votesparks.

Stupid childish empty threats...

the trend that has been happening has hit more critical mass (Both Parties have not been growing, independent voters are full of both previous Democrats and Republicans who are fed up and left the parties, and those still in the parties are split).

There is going to be no "incremental" change in the next presidency. The first two years of the next term will be about corporate policies that get passed.... If Bernie wins he will be using the Bully Pulpit to continue to educate and kill the corporate talking points and building up for the congressional elections. A Clinton administration will definitely get more of what the corporations want done, but she will not get "incremental change" done for the people because it will be chaos and that approach won't work anymore.

its called surrender.

"Who else are you going to vote for?"

We all know that was a huge success.

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Sanders supporters will take their ball and go home. TL: DR Don't vote for Hillary or we'll throw a temper tantrum.

in the sandbox for the Hillary supporters. Don't be surprised when she passes the ball to Wall Street and then sells them the sandbox. Be comforted though. Afterward, she'll make a nice speech about how important it is to save the people's ball and sandbox from financial predators.

Sums it up really well.

I mean, if every Sanders supporter stays home in November, we won't just wind up with a Republican/Tea Party President, but most of Congress will wind up being Republican/Tea Party whackjobs, as well.

I hope and pray that this is not the case.

you shouldn't be surprised to have a fascist government. The original comment was metaphorical. I'm sure most older progressives will cave to the lesser or two evils argument, but i doubt the younger ones will. There will be repercussions from that.

A big decision is to vote for war in the Middle East is a ballot checking the Clinton box or not checking the President box and then blaming Trump for the ME War while voting for social democrats down the rest of the ticket to take control of the Senate. People must decide to vote for social democrats, no Republicans and not third wayers to get rid of the do little Congress with 14% approval rating.

To Superdelegates: People are fed up in this country. Who did you endorse, support and vote for at the Convention? Are you helping to seat a politician that will destroy Social Security, Medicare, Children's Medicaid, and bring on another costly and deadly war? You will be up for reelection in the coming years when the consequences of 2016 decisions, comes full force.

Letting the White House revert back to the GOP is NOT AN OPTION!!!

There's no ball. This isn't a game.

I won't vote for corruption and dishonesty. Read it a few times if you're still confused.

I don't know where you get this "temper tantrum" stuff from. There certainly wasn't any anger in the original post. In fact, I rarely see any anger in "General Discussion: Primaries" posts by Bernie Sanders supporters. Mostly what I see is expressions of cautious optimism about upcoming primaries, or disgust with the sharp rightward turn this country has taken.

I am 52 years old, and I have been following the Democratic Primaries my entire life. In 1980, it was Jimmy Carter against Ted Kennedy. In 1984, it was Walter Mondale against Gary Hart. In 2000, it was Al Gore against Bill Bradley. Up until now, there has always been an understanding that if your preferred candidate didn't win, then at least you'd get a candidate that believed in the core values of the Democratic Party, that is, in holding Roosevelt's "New Deal" SACRED, and in keeping some sort of leash on corporate power.

Not anymore. Hillary Clinton has changed all that, and there are many people who don't like it. So, if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination but LOSES the general election, it will reflect far more on Clinton than on Sanders' supporters.

But I do take issue with this part "I rarely see any anger in GDP posts by Bernie Sanders supporters". Did you go in there yesterday after the SC results? I saw some of the most caustic, racist, stuff posted in that forum than I have ever seen on DU. I thought I had wandered into freerepublic. Back to your point however, I don't get the impression that some Sanders supporters get how truly dangerous a President Trump will be. I'm talking "end of our nation" dangerous, if his fascism comes to pass. Whoever the eventual nominee, we ALL sneed to unite in November.

I'm actually more fearful of Clinton than I am Trump.

Clinton has an agenda. An agenda bought and paid for by powerful people and that's never a good thing for a poor person. I also refuse to vote for a pathological liar. Or give the people who prop her up my vote.

There's quite a few Sanders Democrats running this election. People who back Sanders and are running for a political office. I will happily support those people (when possible) but I'm not lifting a finger to help anyone currently connected with the Democratic Party. And I will actively vote against them when given the chance just because I can.

And add to that list anyone that voted to fast-track the TPP.

Cruz or Hillary?

Trump is currently in the lead but he has less than 50%. Trump's strategy is to knock out Cruz, Rubio and Kasich by beating them all in their home states and causing the media to declare their chances over and forcing them do drop out. People in the media are already saying that losers in those races will have to drop.

Trump is polling well ahead of Rubio in Florida and ahead of Kasich in Ohio. Trump is behind Cruz in Texas though. So if things don't change, Cruz will remain in but Rubio and Kasich will have to drop.

That leaves Cruz one on one with Trump. Cruz claims he beats Trump by 16 points in one on one polling. So if nothing changes, Cruz will get the nomination, unless Trump builds up enough of a lead to make catching up too difficult.

Cruz has a losing strategy. You only need to look at the polling numbers in the upcoming states to see that Cruz will Luz. I think Texas will go to Trump too.

will give the Presidency to him if their she succeeds in winning the nomination, I can take solace in the fact that Trump is at least not pro-war and is more against Wall Street than Hillary. He also understands that single payer healthcare is the fiscal and logical way to run our healthcare system.

again it's simple, no transcript less likely to vote for her

She's a war hawk and will most likely go to war with Iran. The same Iran that is allied with Russia and China. That's very dangerous.

way more anti-Hillary than pro-Bernie stuff

up with our supposed LEADERS who in ACTUALITY have sold us down the river and ONCE AGAIN trying to sell us damaged goods. But this time because of how so many who once stood for what Democrats always did, they are doing all they can to make sure ONE candidate who is speaking to "we the people" WON'T get a seat at the table!

People I once had great respect for are out there doing some VERY DIRTY WORK! I don't understand why it's so hard for so many to understand that this behavior is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE! This looks nothing like Democracy. Too many are falling into the trap that because a certain person high up in the establishment comes out in support of Hillary that they're doing it because they're trying to guide us in the right direction. But that's the crux of it... WE DON'T WANT more of "Right!" What has that done for us lately??

But, you forgot to mention the results of the 1988 Democratic Primary in your post.
When Bush used his infamously racist "Willie Horton" ad later in the year against Dukakis in the General Election --- and we got SMEARED.

The mainstream media never corrected that lie that George H.W. Bush told about Dukakis.
And as a result, Bush became the 3rd term of Reagan.
Same policies, same disastrous results.

And I don't believe the MSM will bother to lift a finger to correct any lies that the Republican candidate tells about our candidate this very year.

Back in 2012, Gwen Ifill took a huge gamble, in my opinion, when she interrupted Mitt Romney when he was pressing hard for an answer from President Obama during a debate after Romney had told a lie about how President Obama had acted after hearing about an attack overseas in Libya in Benghazi.
Romney had claimed that President Obama had never described the attack in Libya as an act of terror.

President Obama responded the first time that Romney told that lie by saying "Please proceed, Governor."

But, after Romney asked the question a 2nd time, and glanced over at Gwen incredulously --- suggesting that President Obama was lying in his answer to the charge that Romney was making --- that was when Gwen took a stand and she interrupted Romney, and put her job as a journalist on the line by saying that President Obama had indeed described the attack as an act of terror.

In my opinion, Gwen put her entire career on the line when she did that because she is black.

Out of habit after the last 30 years I think the Republicans are going to once again use race against the Democratic Presidential candidate later this year in the fall, no matter who our candidate is, Hillary or Sanders.

Nevertheless, Chris Rock explained the situation in Hollywood very well last night at the opening of the Oscars . . . he said Black actors are only asking for the opportunity to act in movies.
Black actors just want the opportunity to act.
In movies.
But, Rock didn't demand that everybody go watch those movies with Black actors acting in them . . he simply said let Black actors have the chance to be in some movies!!

And that is what this primary is all about.
Giving Sanders the opportunity to at least run for the Presidency, instead of stacking the deck against him the way the heads of the Democratic party have done this year.

As far as I'm concerned, that is how the situation is this year since Hillary has been treating Sanders the same way she treated then-Senator Obama back in 2008.

Jewish is the new Black.

The rest can return the basketball at their convenience.

Sanders could very well be the harbinger of a viable Independent party.

The disaffected from both left and right could very well take their balls and begin playing a new game

I think a viable third party would be good for the right and the left, so long as they don't go the tea party route.

And thinking Green is one of my most important campaign planks, just above campaign finance reform. I would love to see a Stein/Bernie ticket. At least I could finally vote my conscience.

And America would finally have a viable third party.

And very much opposed to the Republican fascist right and their close cousins, the Corporate Democrats.

obviously.

what I wrote. Your answer is there.

Thank you for working so hard for Bernie.
Don't fall into a trap here.

I don't believe that's the terms. I think it's highlighting a problem that HRC needs to address and work on should she get the nomination.

I have several family relatives who have voted for Obama and before that voted for Nader. They were registered Independents up until this year. They marched against the Iraq War. I feel certain Hillary does not have their vote. For them, it's Bernie or bust.

to help her.

The same Koch Bros who are spending almost a billion AGAINST Democrats.

Where do you come up with this bullshit?

There is so much bullshit about Hillary Clinton. If I were to believe any of it I would hate her, too, but fortunately I can actually look up all the smears and research the background. Too many just believe what they hear and then jump on the bandwagon of hating a remarkable woman.

They were instrumental in setting up the DLC which the Clinton's were intimately involved in. They helped turn the Democratic party into the rightist party it is today.

The Koch's do support conservative Democrats like Hillary on occasion.

It's a good thing she has him on her side. Any liberal should be PROUD we have George Soros.

I do not know for sure. would he support Bernie if he somehow wonthe nomination? That's the question that could make him great, or just an asset.

Soros supports Democrats. The man has integrity.

The only people I know of who HATE Soros are Glenn Beck and tinfoil hat wearing Republicans.

They tossed a few thousand her way. The bigger issue are the lobbyists affiliated with Koch that are funneling money in to her campaign. What do they want?

The DLC and their efforts were how Bill Clinton rose to power, which is also how Hillary Clinton rose to power.

What, with spending 1 billion to defeat Democrats in November, and HRC was the frontrunner when they announced they were doing that.

They've got a problem in that the teabaggers are turning somewhat populist.

It's not like people at their level do not have back-up plans.

If you think that putting THAT kind of cash against Clinton means that they're secretly backing her, then you have stock in heavier tinfoil than I thought possible.

$1B to them is about $20 to us mere mortals.

And again, you're assuming they'll spend it at the top of the ticket. They've made no such claim. That money is to defeat Democrats. It's not all earmarked for the top of the ticket.

It's business, mathematics, and human nature.

The Koch brothers are spending millions to make sure Hillary never becomes President. Stop spreading your misinformation and LIES. I don't give a rats ass if misinformed hate spreaders don't vote for Hillary. Something tells me you will be voting for Trump anyway...if you know what I mean.

an observation!

You know damn well that isn't what was said.

And by the way, I was once in the 20-30% camp but am now in the 70% camp thanks to people like you. I will not be an enabler any longer.

arrogant, disrespectful and contemptuous.

Hillary supporters seem to specialize in exhibiting those emotions when talking down to Sanders supporters.

If Hillary supporters want a divided Democratic Party, then they should continue to dismiss Sanders supporters in the way they are.

My husband and I were talking about Sanders this morning.

What is the gift that Bernie Sanders gives to people that Hillary cannot give? Dignity.

Bernie Sanders treats everyone with dignity. It is something natural to him, not something he tries to do or manufactures. He views everyone with respect, views the dignity in everyone.

The last three sentences, beautiful

seriously has that lame attempt ever borne fruit?

forum vote for a third party candidate, and neither will I. However, if Hillary Clinton is nominated, from the "further-left", I will not vote for her - I'll most likely vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party. I've held my nose to vote for lesser of two evils for too many years. I hold no allegiance to the Democratic Party as an institution. Rather, my allegiance (like I hope most of us) is to a progressive set of values which preclude support for corporate capitalism, war-mongering, finger to the wind politicians (they will sell you out every time), and divisiveness are rampant in the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. As I see it, Clinton and Trump are two sides of the same coin (Clinton being the "good cop&quot ; and they both serve the same master (although it seems like sometimes are more self-serving).

I think many of us have felt completely dispossessed by the two-party political system, but the candidacy of Bernie Sanders and forums like Democratic Underground have awakened something in us long-dormant.

Bernie has a better chance in the GE because hes the candidate that can attract the most third party and independent voters. I admire HRC, as a person, a politician, candidate etc. But Clinton vs. Trump is a nightmare scenario. In that GE trump may be able to fool enough populist-left voters with his faux populism. He will be able to gain enough third party/Independent votes to defeat Hillary. He won't even come close against Bernie.