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No matter what Bernie need to stay in the race. Just to keep HRC honest and push her to be liberal! (Original Post) Logical Feb 2016 OP
No matter how much Bernie pushes her to be liberal bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #1
She will race back to center right the second she feels comfortable TDale313 Feb 2016 #5
He needs to take it all the way to the convention. n/t TDale313 Feb 2016 #2
I 100% agree. If for no other reason to call out her BS. nt Logical Feb 2016 #9
Even Hillary would laugh loud and long and merrily at that. djean111 Feb 2016 #3
Stage 3: Bargaining. nt Codeine Feb 2016 #4
We also need a Plan B GoldenSF Feb 2016 #6
I think if she is indicted, it's going to be too late to do anything about it. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #19
Both the DNC and the GOP powers-that-be will ensure no indictment occurs during the primaries. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #24
I agree with that. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #27
Unfortunately, she is a liar and shape-shifter. NOTHING will keep her honest if elected. AzDar Feb 2016 #7
You gotta dance with them that brung you...Molly Ivins...RIP n/t libdem4life Feb 2016 #8
Nah Rebkeh Feb 2016 #10
Good luck with that. I commend you for your idea, sincerely. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #11
The instant she locks up the nomination, she'll hurtle right-wards. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #12
Yep. The very next day her campaign will start releasing names of her intended cabinet Marr Feb 2016 #22
She's not a progressive BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #13
Yeah, good luck with that..... vi5 Feb 2016 #14
Keeping her honest is impossible NowSam Feb 2016 #15
Bernie can push all he wants, but a leopard never changes its spots. She's no progressive. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #16
Evolution has no direction. Up/down, Forward/Backwards, Left/Right, Short/Tall. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #17
Yep, it is determined by the environment. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #20
I agree that a long primary process is good auntpurl Feb 2016 #18
Soon, Hillary, through her surrogates will be screaming for Bernie to drop out. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #21
Well, it hasn't happened yet. auntpurl Feb 2016 #23
She's saying good things now, but will revert when elected. alarimer Feb 2016 #25
Triangulation. That's what we'd get. RiverLover Feb 2016 #26
She's a DINO and far from a progressive. Broward Feb 2016 #28
She is not a progressive. That is the reason why so many Dems are JimDandy Feb 2016 #29
sorry, she may claim to be a democrat, but she is no progressive and never will be. bbgrunt Feb 2016 #30
We've pretty much been told to stick it. mmonk Feb 2016 #31
Hillary must be defeted of the Dem party is cooked yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #32
I couldn't agree more, sanders bring the issues that beachbumbob Feb 2016 #33
She is not trustworthy. SamKnause Feb 2016 #34
Charles Pierce Agrees With You... WillyT Feb 2016 #35

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
1. No matter how much Bernie pushes her to be liberal
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

she will go back to her old ways...this is just a please the crowd then do what you damn well please. Hillary is deceptive and cut throat imo.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
5. She will race back to center right the second she feels comfortable
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

So keep the pressure on as long as possible and keep making the Populist argument that she never wanted to have be part of the discussion.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Even Hillary would laugh loud and long and merrily at that.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

She is not honest, she is not progressive, and she has spearheaded the Third Way takeover of the Democratic Party so that being a Democrat ain't what it used to be. The "D" brand just may be FUBAR.

GoldenSF

(27 posts)
6. We also need a Plan B
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:59 AM
Feb 2016

In case Hillary is subpoenaed or indicted. My sense is that her support, while widespread, is soft. There is a huge risk in putting all of our eggs in the Hillary basket.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
24. Both the DNC and the GOP powers-that-be will ensure no indictment occurs during the primaries.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:31 PM
Feb 2016

The former because they're all-in for Hillary, regardless of how bad an idea that is (by golly, it's her time!), the latter because the deeper the indictment occurs in the election cycle, the less possible a Democratic recovery from the disaster will be.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
27. I agree with that.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

The repugs want an indictment to fall after Hillary has been nominated but before the election. That's their dream scenario.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. The instant she locks up the nomination, she'll hurtle right-wards.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:04 PM
Feb 2016

That'll happen after the convention, even if Bernie stays in, assuming she's ahead at that point, and I haven't given up hope. Not to be insulting at all, but I think any expectation that she can be influenced (especially by us peasants) to actually be progressive is naive. Hillary Clinton is a human weathervane: whichever way the favorable polling winds are blowing, that's her "heartfelt" position. After the field is set, those winds aren't blowing from the left...

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
22. Yep. The very next day her campaign will start releasing names of her intended cabinet
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

and they'll all be right-of-center Democrats and Republicans.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
13. She's not a progressive
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:06 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie needs to stay in to remind her supporters of that and maybe some of them will come to their senses.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
14. Yeah, good luck with that.....
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:07 PM
Feb 2016

...All it will be from HRC is words and pandering. Anything to get her to her ultimate goal. Every one and everything else are just pawns in her larger game.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
15. Keeping her honest is impossible
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:15 PM
Feb 2016

I have to say this whole cycle is scaring me as much as the 2000 election and then it was clear that up was down and everything was turned on its head. The status quo candidates are extremely dangerous. We will see war and poverty and a desolate bleak Earth if we allow the status quo to continue. Bernie is the only candidate who will alter that course.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
16. Bernie can push all he wants, but a leopard never changes its spots. She's no progressive.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:17 PM
Feb 2016

She's a Third Way, neocon. She's liberal on social issues (depending on how much she has evolved), but conservative in virtually every other area. She's not an ultra conservative loon like much of the republican party today, but she would have fit in well with pre-Reagan, Wall Street conservatism.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
18. I agree that a long primary process is good
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:20 PM
Feb 2016

For either candidate. It will strengthen them up for the general.

Although there have been many calls from Hillary supporters for Bernie to drop out, Hillary herself has not made one. She understands that ensuring the Democratic electorate have had their voices heard is important in November.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
21. Soon, Hillary, through her surrogates will be screaming for Bernie to drop out.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:23 PM
Feb 2016

She wants to lock up the nomination ASAP and she doesn't really give a rat's ass about voices being heard.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
23. Well, it hasn't happened yet.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:28 PM
Feb 2016

I believe Hillary believes as I do, that the Democratic process is important and it won't hurt her (nor will it hurt Bernie) to see this thing through until it becomes mathematically inevitable, thereby ensuring the largest possible number of Democrats get to have their votes counted and voices heard.

It's ok that we disagree. That's what primary season is all about.

Peace.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
25. She's saying good things now, but will revert when elected.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:42 PM
Feb 2016

More non-change in the offing.

No thank you.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
26. Triangulation. That's what we'd get.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:49 PM
Feb 2016

She learned from a master, who would still be there for advice on spin for those damn liberals....

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
29. She is not a progressive. That is the reason why so many Dems are
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:59 PM
Feb 2016

support Bernie, because he is. Hillary is a lost cause as far as that goes. If she gets the nomination, she is in a pickle, because if she tries to tack right, as Dem nominees usually do after the convention, she will lose a huge % of Sanders supporters in the GE who might have held their nose and voted for her otherwise.

Bernie has said he is in until after the convention, and barring donations drying up before then, I think he will do so. There is no reason not to, and every reason to remain.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
33. I couldn't agree more, sanders bring the issues that
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:40 PM
Feb 2016

Separates us from conservatives...and all those crying to take their ball home when sanders is not the nominee are fake liberals...fake progressives and fake democrats...we all must ensure America doesn't suffer the debacle that Nader voters gave America in 2000...,we are NOT the my way or the highway political party...

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
34. She is not trustworthy.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

Her record proves this.

She has 'experience'.

She has extremely poor judgement !!!

She supported and pushed all of her husbands destructive policies.

She is the queen of fracking.

She will say or do anything to be the first woman president.

Her greed out weighs any concerns she has for this country or its people.



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