2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNo matter what Bernie need to stay in the race. Just to keep HRC honest and push her to be liberal!
She needs to be reminded every day that she is a democrat and a progressive.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)she will go back to her old ways...this is just a please the crowd then do what you damn well please. Hillary is deceptive and cut throat imo.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)So keep the pressure on as long as possible and keep making the Populist argument that she never wanted to have be part of the discussion.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)She is not honest, she is not progressive, and she has spearheaded the Third Way takeover of the Democratic Party so that being a Democrat ain't what it used to be. The "D" brand just may be FUBAR.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)GoldenSF
(27 posts)In case Hillary is subpoenaed or indicted. My sense is that her support, while widespread, is soft. There is a huge risk in putting all of our eggs in the Hillary basket.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Then we're sunk.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The former because they're all-in for Hillary, regardless of how bad an idea that is (by golly, it's her time!), the latter because the deeper the indictment occurs in the election cycle, the less possible a Democratic recovery from the disaster will be.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The repugs want an indictment to fall after Hillary has been nominated but before the election. That's their dream scenario.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)We're in it to win it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That'll happen after the convention, even if Bernie stays in, assuming she's ahead at that point, and I haven't given up hope. Not to be insulting at all, but I think any expectation that she can be influenced (especially by us peasants) to actually be progressive is naive. Hillary Clinton is a human weathervane: whichever way the favorable polling winds are blowing, that's her "heartfelt" position. After the field is set, those winds aren't blowing from the left...
Marr
(20,317 posts)and they'll all be right-of-center Democrats and Republicans.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Bernie needs to stay in to remind her supporters of that and maybe some of them will come to their senses.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...All it will be from HRC is words and pandering. Anything to get her to her ultimate goal. Every one and everything else are just pawns in her larger game.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)I have to say this whole cycle is scaring me as much as the 2000 election and then it was clear that up was down and everything was turned on its head. The status quo candidates are extremely dangerous. We will see war and poverty and a desolate bleak Earth if we allow the status quo to continue. Bernie is the only candidate who will alter that course.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)She's a Third Way, neocon. She's liberal on social issues (depending on how much she has evolved), but conservative in virtually every other area. She's not an ultra conservative loon like much of the republican party today, but she would have fit in well with pre-Reagan, Wall Street conservatism.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)For either candidate. It will strengthen them up for the general.
Although there have been many calls from Hillary supporters for Bernie to drop out, Hillary herself has not made one. She understands that ensuring the Democratic electorate have had their voices heard is important in November.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)She wants to lock up the nomination ASAP and she doesn't really give a rat's ass about voices being heard.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I believe Hillary believes as I do, that the Democratic process is important and it won't hurt her (nor will it hurt Bernie) to see this thing through until it becomes mathematically inevitable, thereby ensuring the largest possible number of Democrats get to have their votes counted and voices heard.
It's ok that we disagree. That's what primary season is all about.
Peace.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)More non-change in the offing.
No thank you.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)She learned from a master, who would still be there for advice on spin for those damn liberals....
Broward
(1,976 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)support Bernie, because he is. Hillary is a lost cause as far as that goes. If she gets the nomination, she is in a pickle, because if she tries to tack right, as Dem nominees usually do after the convention, she will lose a huge % of Sanders supporters in the GE who might have held their nose and voted for her otherwise.
Bernie has said he is in until after the convention, and barring donations drying up before then, I think he will do so. There is no reason not to, and every reason to remain.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Separates us from conservatives...and all those crying to take their ball home when sanders is not the nominee are fake liberals...fake progressives and fake democrats...we all must ensure America doesn't suffer the debacle that Nader voters gave America in 2000...,we are NOT the my way or the highway political party...
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)Her record proves this.
She has 'experience'.
She has extremely poor judgement !!!
She supported and pushed all of her husbands destructive policies.
She is the queen of fracking.
She will say or do anything to be the first woman president.
Her greed out weighs any concerns she has for this country or its people.