I think this is the majority opinion of BOTH Bernie and Clinton supporters. The DEM is miles above the GOP candidate.

You mean you hope it is. Not the same thing.

And as a Hillary supporter, I will vote for Bernie for the same reason if he becomes the nominee.

Allowing SCOTUS to fall into Republican hands is unthinkable. Every bit of social progress we have fought with bloodied hands to gain inch by inch will be dismantled in a heartbeat.

We would have plenty of time to try to kumbaya with Hillary should she win the Primary.

With whomever is the next President.

I wish Obama would hurry up and nominate someone.

President Obama needs to do his part and show strength, especially before the GE.

just as it was for me whenever my preferred choice lost in a primary campaign.

The Supreme Court and the ACA are far too important.
My hope is that whomever gets the nod would recruit Elizabeth Warren as V.P.

will vote for Hillary if she wins. I still think Bernie can pull it off though.

Bernie supporters should be thinking about the SCOTUS and let them win this because they will appoint the right people.

That goes two ways. If in the next couple of months Bernie holds his momentum and continues to move ahead while she continues to drop in the polls maybe Hillary supporters should think about helping Bernie out like they want us to do today with Hillary.

In the end it will depend on two things 1)who is the most likely to continue to pull voters out to vote in the GE and thus win and (2)who has other voters behind them - Independents, disillusioned Rs and new voters who will not vote for anyone else in the GE.

As this election continues we will be able to see clearly who is ahead in the ability to beat the Rs. I am thinking it will be Bernie.

In every one of those elections her numbers stayed absolutely flat.

She has no pool of voters to tap. She does not attract new supporters.

...our own economic interests?

We openly mock Republicans for placing so many wedge issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) above their own economic best interests. Are you not asking us to do the same.

I live in a state that is wholly dependent on Manufacturing and was decimated by the Clintons' NAFTA. It is in my economic best interest that Hillary NOT be elected President. You suggest I should vote against my family's livelihood in favor of social issues the Supreme Court will decide upon?

They rule on the right for labor to organize, campaign financing, and trade to name just three.

...I'd choose her.

If you think there is no difference then have at it.

is still a problem.

Just what I was coming back to post. I wouldn't doubt if pro-trade, pro-Wall Street were litmus tests Hillary would use in choosing a Justice.

A republican president would be much worse.....in fact, a nightmare!

Look, her corporate conservatism bothers the hell out of me also.
Equating her with repug conservatism is not accurate in my opinion. Not even close.

I'm not defending her for being status quo.
I attack her from the Left and defend her from the batshit Right.
The SCOTUS is much more important than I think you are giving it credit.
Besides, if she does become President, we'd have a much better chance at pressuring her to take populist positions than we'd ever have with a repug who would never listen.

I think she is even more conservative than Trump and will lead us to war. I know she is bought and paid for.

She doesn't take pressure from us little people and she will be surrounded by corporatists.

And thats ok. But realize, its only just your opinion.

... because these corporate Democrats are inbred well as to have produced a kind of offspring we should be deeply ashamed of.

I am DEEPLY offended by those within the Democratic party who have incorporated (you like this word better than "inbred"?) their finance to win the electorate by primarily taking AND RECIPROCATING to the corporations who provide it. This includes unfair trade agreements and provided starvation wages while the corporate structures themselves (e.g. WalMart) relegate provision of health benefits to the STATE. This is because laws continue to allow Walmart get away with under-serving and limiting hours to the working poor who labor for their profits.

Let's hear it for the donors to these "Democrats"... They perpetuate what commonly is accepted whenever we run another candidate who is "the lessor of two evils", come the general election...

They stink on ice -

Citigroup Inc
DLA Piper
Goldman Sachs
JPMorgan Chase & Co
Morgan Stanley
Time Warner
Sullivan & Cromwell
National Amusements Inc
21st Century Fox
Lehman Brothers
Ernst & Young
Harvard University

Source: Federal Election Commission data available electronically February 22, 2016.

You are 100% correct.

For those who do, there is a huge difference between Hillary and the republicans.

Even if you thought it was the only difference (it isn't), if you gave a DAMN about women, you would recognize it. And act on it if necessary.

"Clinton said she would consider limiting late term abotions"

vs.

Republicans, who basically want to ban ALL abortions, limit contraceptive options, remove the ACA rule that contraceptives have to be covered ...

"no difference", eh?

especially before the environment goes completely wacky anyhow.

Every single one of those cretins in the republican clown car want to kill Roe v Wade and shut down abortion in this country completely, as well as blocking access to certain forms of contraception.

The next president will have at least 2 Supreme Court appointments. Probably 3 or 4. Do you think for one second that republican you somehow think won't "get it passed" won't put some extreme right wing nut job like Scalia on the court? 2, 3, or 4 of them?

It's attitudes of complacency "oh no that won't happen" that is already seeing women's health clinics shuttered all over this country.

Yeah, I'm betting you don't have a uterus.

doomed if Bernie is not elected. He is the only one that really cares.

is how much god-sauce you want on your shit sandwich. She'll do the exact same things a moderate Republican would do, she just won't justify them in terms of Jeezus. Probably.

1) She would nominate a more liberal person to the Supreme court.
2) She wouldn't be running against a moderate republican. All of them still running are batshit crazy.

in my primary, it's not till April. I like both our candidates.

That being said, I plan to vote for the whoever the nominee is in the GE. No question. The repugs are far too dangerous.

It's the elephant in the room.

in the next four years.

You can't really count five years, as it is four year terms. And the only certain vacancy is Scalia's.

with the failing health or mortality rates of Supreme court justices.

didn't make sense. And then you picked an arbitrary number of vacancies is justices as if the number meant something. It didn't.

We know one, who Obama may or may not replace.

pro-business, pro trade agreements etc

SCOTUS isn't a compelling argument for them when her entire past history points to her being a corporatist moderate

... which seems to bode well for the corporately controlled pharmaceutical industry...

See Obama's nominee to head the FDA.

and deep anger out there at being "forced" to support another corporatist.

The SCOTUS threat just isn't compelling with her past record and those who scoff, or mock, or wag their fingers at us only harden the animosity.

We.Are.Done.Voting.For.This.Bullshit

Utter nonsense. You'd think people would have learned from that although some may be too young. Same thing all over again.......

fueling this election cycle. This cycle is not business as usual

There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. People are PISSED at the corrupt, status quo candidates.

Fully 43% identify as independents now - a record high and that was 2 years ago. Those voters are not going back to the same old, same old

http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx

But the20000 nader votes lost the election?
Ten times as many registered dems voted FOR bush yet get a pass?

end of story

Because of the USSC, and for many other reasons. We have a literal fascist followed by fascists the current GOP front runner, and the rest aren't much better.

Great post!

All expectations and changed the course of this primary. He has shown a light on our weak primary election process.and the corruption money brings to it. Clinton sounds like Bernie over half the time. At least we will have the record of her campaign promises. In my book Sanders has already won by this standard. He's a fighter. We will see him through. But no way do I withhold a vote for the Democratic nominee. I assure you if Bernie loses this primary he will strongly encourage a Clinton presidency over a Republican presidency.

Finally someone with common sense. I would vote for any Democrat over Trump. The thought of that ugly man in the WH, and I'm not referring to his appearance, is enough to make me feel sick.

And refuses to be further injured on the empty promise of "this time it will be different".

sounds like the Tea Party. They would rather not vote, or vote for a Republican than do what is best for the country.

I know what it is like to fall in love with a candidate that is being trashed, Obama was mine. I swore if he wasn't the nominee I would not vote. I knew I would not be able to follow through on that and thankfully didn't have to but it is the same this time although I'm not as in love as I was with President Obama.

We cannot have a Supreme Court appointed by these batshit crazy Republicans. I'm sorry some will have to "hold their noses" once again, but you may have to in order to save the country.

You are right about the SCOTUS. We CANNOT allow a crazy Republican to nominate the next justices to the court. The ramifications to our civil rights would last for a least a generation.

Most presidencies have been 2 terms during that same period. It's pretty common for 3 term presidents to nominate 2 judges.

Whatever balance results with Scalia's replacement will be in short order challenged by another vacancy

Getting control of the senate away from radical conservatives so that confirmations can be made is arguably every bit as important as gaining the WH. Getting more liberal leaning judges into the Circuits who are consisten and who don't make mistakes can keep cases away from the Supremes.

pledge threads therefore I am trashing this thread.

will sweep Hillary into office if she's the nominee. That's what we're being told in dozens of threads today, so I'm SURE it's true.

Didn't you know? The Hillary people tell us progressives aren't needed, and don't count.

I, like Bernie, will not needlessly trash Hillary Clinton. She will have my full support if she wins the nomination. For now though I am concentrating my efforts on a outcome that I would far prefer; Bernie Sanders winning the Democratic nomination instead. My Plan A is still viable, even though it is not the most likely outcome. If you go to any horse track you can find horses who beat the odds there every day (my Dad used to take me to some when I was a kid).

It is still February. There is plenty of time for advocates of both candidates to argue for unity when the primaries draw toward a close.

I see so many Bernie Sanders Supporters vowing to not vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee, yet I rarely see a post in which a Hillary Supporter vowing not to support the Nominee of the Democratic Party...

...that I live in California so whomever it is they will beat any repug.
I have voted Green for a long time living here with that luxury.

However, all you Bernie backers in contested states need to seriously reconsider sitting out this one should she get the nomination. That is foolish.

a SCOTUS appointment that is only concerned with social liberalism and is an enemy of economic liberalism is worthless...we need both and I won't vote for a presidential candidate that won't give us both.

Texas didn't feel that the social liberalism of the same sex marriage decision was "worthless".

It gave them, among other things, rights and protections they would not otherwise have.

I seem to recall a great deal of celebrating here on DU when the decision was announced -- a lot more celebrating than you would expect for a "worthless" decision.

that will give us neither.

before approving on hearings, what makes you think they won't continue the boycott if h gets in? The will wait until there is no one left alive or they get a Republican president.

There is nothing that can force them.

People don't get that.
I'm Left Wing and I absolutely understand the frustration with her. She is so close to being a Repub by expressing what we can't accomplish my head is spinning.

But still. If Bernie doesn't win all we have are crumbs anyway.

Bernie's message won't stop, especially now that it's getting a nation wide audience.

We live in wild times.
Fight on!

I think it's even more important for Democrats to vote if she is the nominee, because Republicans will crawl over broken glass to vote against a Clinton. The majority of them aren't so much pro-Trump as the primaries would have us believe, but an anti-Clinton vote will count just as much as a pro-Trump one.

And will have no part in empowering a known liar. Some can, I can't. I've been homeless before and I'm sure I will be again with the next financial crisis coming down the pipes as I type.

Nominee?

Hell, Obama just tried to bring out a Republican Nominee & I think she will compromise even more if you give her a chance....
Also, in the last week or two, she's made subtle statements in backing off somewhat on her Pro Choice stance.
So the more you dig deeper with her, the worst it gets.

I think I would start worrying more about her Neocon tendencies & whether the Flash-point will be the South China Sea Islands, the Russian-Ukrainian border or a Syrian no fly zone just for starters.

Supreme Court appointment and National Right to Work Law.
With Hillary being Center/Right she might appoint a Judge that is a so called Centrist and as far as the Right to Work Law
well she owes Corporate America a lot of pay backs and she is indebted to them big time/millions.

The same for banking regulations..

That's how I see it also.
Political favors tend to ignore "we the people".