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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:24 AM Feb 2016

Clinton’s Libyan War and the Delusions of Interventionists (Both Republicans and Democrats)

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The New York Times reports on Hillary Clinton’s role in the Libyan war. This passage sums up much of what’s wrong with how Clinton and her supporters think about how the U.S. should respond to foreign conflicts:

Mrs. Clinton was won over. Opposition leaders “said all the right things about supporting democracy and inclusivity and building Libyan institutions, providing some hope that we might be able to pull this off,” said Philip H. Gordon, one of her assistant secretaries. “They gave us what we wanted to hear. And you do want to believe.” [bold mine-DL]

“Wanting to believe” in dubious or obviously bad causes in other countries is one of the biggest problems with ideologically-driven interventionists from both parties. They aren’t just willing to take sides in foreign conflicts, but they are looking for an excuse to join them. As long as they can get representatives of the opposition to repeat the required phrases and pay lip service to the “right things,” they will do their best to drag the U.S. into a conflict in which it has nothing at stake.

The consequences would be more far-reaching than anyone imagined, leaving Libya a failed state and a terrorist haven, a place where the direst answers to Mrs. Clinton’s questions have come to pass.

If the article is referring to anyone in the administration, this might be true, but as a general statement it couldn’t be more wrong. Many skeptics and opponents of the intervention in Libya warned about many of the things that the Libyan war and regime change have produced, and they issued these warnings before and during the beginning of U.S. and allied bombing.

The U.S. isn’t obliged to indulge its allies’ wars of choice, and it certainly doesn’t have to join them, but the administration was already conceding that the U.S. would “follow and support” France and Britain in what they chose to do. As we know, in the end France and Britain definitely could and did drag the U.S. into their “shitty war,” and in that effort they received a huge assist from Clinton. It was already well-known that Clinton owns the Libyan intervention more than any U.S. official besides the president, and this week we’re being reminded once more just how crucial her support for the war was in making it happen.

NOTE: It is pretty sad when you can see a conservative publication write about Clinton's Disastrous Regime change mentality while seeing the NY Times (aka Clinton Times) do a whitewash. And they acknowledge the interventionist from BOTH parties. The old "but I wear your party label" is no longer an acceptable excuse.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/clintons-libyan-war-and-the-delusions-of-interventionists/

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Clinton’s Libyan War and the Delusions of Interventionists (Both Republicans and Democrats) (Original Post) Skwmom Feb 2016 OP
Apparently, Hillary Clinton is the most powerful shadow figure in the history of the world. LexVegas Feb 2016 #1
Not shadowy now that the emails are coming out. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #3
Emails! Benghazi! Top Secret! nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #4
Did you really link to...never mind. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #2
Hopefully they don't. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #6
Our allies look to us to do their endless wars. nt Skwmom Feb 2016 #8
America has no moral authority to bomb civilians EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #5
Wake up, Democrats! summerschild Feb 2016 #7
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. Did you really link to...never mind.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:27 AM
Feb 2016

So if we shouldnt help our allies why should our allies help us?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
6. Hopefully they don't.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:03 AM
Feb 2016

If Clinton is elected, hopefully our allies act as checks and balances to her poor judgement.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
5. America has no moral authority to bomb civilians
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

And yet we do it daily.

It's a very sad state of affairs.

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