been pressure on them to endorse her. That's not causing a rift, according to him? But one lone prominent Senator endorsing Bernie would cause a rift? Ok.

I take it this guy is not a professor of logic.

that is admired by Bernies ' supporters. Every other super delegate is "establishment", or so we are told. She is not. That is why her endorsement is important.

Franken, Brown, etc. It's total bs to claim one endorsement is going to wreak havoc. Besides, the USS Havoc has left departed the harbor, thanks to all this rigging.

but you can't deny there is a lot of angst both here and elsewhere that she refuses to endorse Bernie.

a subtle but important difference.

was referring to? Warren phonebanking or leafletting for Sanders?

he has to start winning, especially in non-Southern states that are supposedly his best chance. If he can't win there then what magical combination of voters will allow him to win elsewhere?

That is why Warren's endorsement would be important to him.

Now, you're explaining to me why he wants her endorsement?

Sorry. I need sequence and content of posts to make sense.


The issue is why it is this author's place to decide what Elizabeth Warren's place is.

everyone else has an opinion on what she should do and why - so why not this author?

And defended it six ways to Sunday.

what's the point of a discussion board if we cannot discuss and speculate? Again, besides somehow offending your sensibilities, I am not sure what the problem is here.

issues clearly raised by the article is reading too much into the article. LOL! ok

again - what is the big deal? There are many ways to read Warren's refusal to endorse - you have no special insight so why should your "one or two" issues be afforded special weight over my "43"?

What does your alleged reply to my post have to do with what I actually said?

You are so busy speeding to throw spaghetti against the wall, maybe you can't follow a train of thought of a subthread.

So keep stirring, you won't win a single convert or dissuade a single voter. All you will do is widen the chasm that exists between the corrupt establishment, and the grass root progressives.

Is that really what you want? Because we can do that, if you insist...

which tends to attract like minded individuals who feel emboldened by the anonymity of the internet.

While I'm sure that sort of stuff would never happen on DU, I make no such claims for the Internet in general

I just think the spoiled entitled behavior of certain Sanders fanboys is hilarious.

since these imaginary characters bring you such joy.

I get that it is difficult for them to state in the positive why they have chosen the candidate who has a long loud record of opposing equal rights for some minorities but name calling and that sort of content free denigration crap just reminds me of Hillary's past objections to equal rights for LGBT.

I've been told I should leave DU to post in a conservative forum if I don't support Bernie and that I don't care about my grandchildren's future.

Oh wait... you said "Hillary supporters".

"Berniebros" is a useful indicator that I can confidently dismiss the opinions of the person using the term as being not worth my consideration. Much appreciated...

who does this guy think he is telling her what her place is?

and I think she is choosing party loyalty over Bernie because she knows it strengthens her hand down the road.

she may also be waiting a little longer to see if Bernie can get some more traction... only time will tell

it gives her credibility within the Party as a power broker while positioning herself to supplant Bernie as the most powerful progressive in office. Imagine a progressive with actual power and influence in the Senate - a very good thing don't you think?

you don't think for a moment that she has presidential aspirations?

with Warren's endorsing Hillary.

I never thought she would endorse Bernie and it's too late now anyway, but this article is total bs.

it is the logical and smart thing to do. And she is a smart woman.

Seems that you're just saying stuff now for the sake of saying it or of having the last word.

perhaps it is best that you have the last word and we end this sub-thread. Ok?

global corporate rule is not something i'm up for

style of posting.

Do you really think Hillary will win the GE if she gets the nomination (which is pretty darned likely)? GOP turnout has been nightmarishly high in the primaries to date. Hillary won't attract the majority of independents, and her campaign and supporters are alienating progressives. She'll get the minority vote -- those who show up at the polls, but will that be enough? If Rubio gets GOP nomination to run against Hillary, I believe there's a very good chance we can all say goodbye to the WH for at least 4 years.

time will tell, I guess. That is what makes politics both interesting and infuriating.

However, this...

She's not the progressive leader in the Senate; Sanders is. The guy who ran as an indie, even though that is much harder than running as a Democrat, or even a Green, because he did not want to be obligated to party donors or, indeed, to anyone but the 90% of Vermonters and Americans. That's not Warren. She got the Party's blessing before she ran.

one of the heavy hitters on the campaign trail in the General though,which will help us tremendously.

She's got nothing to lose if she does prefer Sanders....unless she has been given the black-envelope "memo" from the DLC Clinton Machine.

Life is sad, life is a bust
All you can do is do what you must
You do what you must do, and you do it well

She has zero risk of not getting re-elected in Massachusetts, so I am not sure if they are threatening a primary or loss of the faux position they gave her--liaison, was it? Or Committee chairs? Who knows?

I'm guessing, though, that it is a hell of a decision to have to make. It is really really a crazy time.

WTF?

As do a lot of folks. Wouldn't know it from reading these boards though.

Maybe she just wants to let the process play out and then work for whoever gets the nomination.

Where Warren may run again.

in the White House and the Senate.
Republicans will do nothing to help her do the things she wants to do.
She has no intention of ripping the party apart.

but for the rest of the class. And I have heard this from a few pols. You do not want to cross the clinton machine. Yes it is that simple. If she should win the presidency, she will remember.

that certainly lessens her in my eyes.

of the type of calculation that happens inside the beltway all the time. Do you want to remain effective or not? I suppose Warren wants to remain effective.

By the way... do you know now much value i place on endorsements? Especially those coming from congress? They have the value of warm spittle. Most voters do not know who these people are, and will tend to ignore those endorsements, if they ever heard of them... worst case not for for pols who get too many.

The same goes for paper endorsements, and artists. They have no value at all.

They are just part of the show.

she actually believes that a later endorsement of HRC will "unite" the party, she has badly miscalculated.

not much I can do about that.

Her entire campaign strategy is predicated on "You have to vote me, you have no choice" is not winning her any converts.

what will you do if she asks you to rally around the party nominee?

Does anybody really think that anybody who would be swayed by a Warren endorsement of Bernie is on the fence between Bernie and Hillary? Anybody who has ever listened to Warren talk about the financial services industry know which candidate is most compatible with her views.

Another reason to live her, the adult in the room and someone with her eyes in the prize.

Can't wait until she runs.

It seems many comments on various sites create these points:

Bernie people are mean.
Even if you are for Bernie, you will vote for Hillary for the good of the party.
Many people for Bernie are really Trump people.

And now even harassing Senator Warren.

Understand that Sect. Clinton worked closely with the CIA(and its never ending manipulation of societies).

http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/01/27/disinformation-part-1-how-trolls-control-an-internet-forum/

http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/02/02/disinformation-part-2-detailed-tips-for-trolls/

http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/02/02/disinformation-part-2-detailed-tips-for-trolls/

Right now she is viewed as something of an oracle within the party. People actually believe her endorsement can make or break a candidate. As time goes on and she fails to make a decision, it will become increasingly obvious that her endorsement lacks the impact people thought it would.

And if she waits until after the nomination is decided, no matter which way, and then attempts to act as a party unifier, she will have lost all credibility with half of the party. The divisions are too deep.

then there might be a fundamental flaw in your logic. Never forget - the only thing that scares and motivates politicians is voters. Not a bunch of people at rallies or on the internet but actual voters standing in a voting booth.

You claim Sen Warren is holding back an endorsement until she is certain which side is actually winning and then she will endorse that side? When Sanders voters have proven that they can swing a few primaries she'll get off top dead center and support him?

Yeah, that will really prove her political courage and acumen.

she suspects it will be Hillary so she can afford to wait. Endorsing Bernie does her no good while Hillary does not need her endorsement. Additionally, endorsing Hillary now will simply piss off some of her supporters.

determined definitively. At that point, no one will give a crap. And some of us who live in Massachusetts will remember.

She will endorse the primary winner when the winner is clear, which will of course be Hillary. Sorry Bernie fans. Reality.

I won't support war and the Third Way and PNAC and fracking and the TPP, among other things. Just cannot do that. I don't care who endorses Hillary - that is not how I decide to give my support. Don't need any faux sympathy, thanks!

I would have been/would be thrilled to support and/or vote for Warren, though! No matter who she endorses!

Hence their mini meltdown on her.

Always a mistake to lump all of anyone's supporters into one homogeneous mass, i think!

We are not a monolith.

I could see her being very torn. Or possibly waiting for a potential scandal to materialize or not.

If Warren had endorsed Hillary, there would not be one objection from a single Hillary supporter, no speculation about why she should or should not do it, etc. As it is, it seems as though every strand of spaghetti in the supermarket has been boiled and thrown against the wall over this dumbass article. So funny!

I certainly am enjoying it.

Throwing lots of spaghetti against many walls. Glad you are having fun for yourself at least.

credit, even if you have probably been the most frenetic.

I love this quote from the article cited in the OP

she is an astute politician - she will play this brilliantly in my opinion.

and unaffected by obvious political ploys

so far, based on the primary results, is meh.

no wait. I once did vote based on an endorsement. Some name I didn't recognize was on the ballot for some local office. I called my state rep, who was also Speaker, to see if he had a rec. He did. I took the endorsement. He's in federal prison now for corruption, but he's the nicest guy you ever want to meet. He and I and his wife chatted while we were all on line to vote for Kerry in 2004. Very pleasant.

Anyone who votes for President based on an endorsement needs serious help, though. JMO.

I thought I saw the USS Rift start moving out of the harbor sometime between the DNC trying to raise money off Bernie's announcement that he was running and DWS trying to figure out what kind of debate schedule would be best for Hillary. However, if it hadn't left the harbor before revocation of Obama's rule about money from lobbyists, it sure was full steam ahead then.

Cannot wait till this primary is over, so those working to suppress the vote will be irrelevant.

If she stays out of the primaries, Clinton will likely win the primary but almost for sure loose in the General to Trump, the ignorant barbarian. By allowing that to happen, it will clearly show that her words about getting wall street and the Banks under control are hollow. If she ran on the ticket with Bernie, they would get elected and start the ball rolling on the revolution.

Then, four years from now, Bernie would likely choose to bow out allowing Warren a likely 8 years as President.

Without her backing of Bernie, Trump will win. After that, all bets are off. God only knows what the damage will be under Trump.

unless you are saying she is incredibly popular with POC and moderate Dems.

should do it.


I don't think she is brave enough to gamble on this. She probably figures she can wait four years and then run. But, it will be too late for her. Either Trump will still be around or maybe Hillary. She'll start looking for a S.C. position.