2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPlutocrat warns the top 0.01% the pitchforks are coming
A rich guy who was the first outside investor in Amazon.com understands what's going on. Most of this could be in Bernie's stump speech. He talks about how a $15 an hour has worked in cities like Seattle and San Francisco and says that rich people don't create jobs, middle income people with money in their pockets do because they create demand for products and services.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014
"At the same time that people like you and me are thriving beyond the dreams of any plutocrats in history, the rest of the countrythe 99.99 percentis lagging far behind. The divide between the haves and have-nots is getting worse really, really fast. In 1980, the top 1 percent controlled about 8 percent of U.S. national income. The bottom 50 percent shared about 18 percent. Today the top 1 percent share about 20 percent; the bottom 50 percent, just 12 percent.
But the problem isnt that we have inequality. Some inequality is intrinsic to any high-functioning capitalist economy. The problem is that inequality is at historically high levels and getting worse every day. Our country is rapidly becoming less a capitalist society and more a feudal society. Unless our policies change dramatically, the middle class will disappear, and we will be back to late 18th-century France. Before the revolution.
And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It wont last.
If we dont do something to fix the glaring inequities in this economy, the pitchforks are going to come for us. No society can sustain this kind of rising inequality. In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didnt eventually come out. You show me a highly unequal society, and I will show you a police state. Or an uprising. There are no counterexamples. None. Its not if, its when."
Bernie gets this. Hillary does not.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. ― Napoléon Bonaparte
nxylas
(6,440 posts)(Inspired by the Calvin & Hobbes strip about religion being the opium of the masses)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)John Mayall and Friends painted the picture for me before Frank Zappa and Don Pardo blew up Saturday Night Live...
Television Eye
Television Eye,
hypnotizing me in my bed.
Ive got no time to sleep,
my eyes are turning bloodshot red.
Youve got me in your eye,
staring at your many channeled head.
Television Eye,
before you got me hooked,
I used to read.
Now youre by my bedside,
shining empty lights on me.
Round the clock commercials,
Trying to sell me things Ill never need.
Its hard to turn you on,
even though youve never turned me on.
Trying to slow my thinking,
I feel my mind is nearly gone.
Television Eye,
Youve had me in your power too long.
Ive got to be crazy or something.
Its just ridiculous.
Why am I wasting time watching you?
Ive got better things to do.
Ive got to leave
-- John Mayall
That was Johnny Almond on sax. Geez time goes by fast.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Inequality For All
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Very good video. I wish Bernie could get Hanauer on his team. He might turn on the light bulb for some of the lower and middle class people who have bought into the "job creator" and "all taxes are bad" rhetoric. This is a strong message coming from a guy who has made boatloads of money as a capitalist.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)mrdmk
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)because he seems like a consummate Regular Joe who just happened to hit the jackpot.
Simple, declarative English sentences filled with truth.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)1) He knows exactly what he is talking about
2) He does not mince words, his speech is too the point
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)know when and where.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)bulloney
(4,113 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)..
Francis Booth
(162 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)They can see it coming too!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)That had a small wealthy class surrounded by a large poverty class. We called them things like Banana Republics, etc.
We are Argentina just before the money crashed and burned.
I cannot believe that all the candidates on the republican side and h are all for it. And we just may elect one of them. I cannot see me being able to do that.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)that he used to deal with in times of economic crisis when he was at the IMF in this 2009 article "The Quiet Coup".
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/05/the-quiet-coup/307364/
WillyT
(72,631 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)They do know from time to time the people rise up when too much has been taken from them. So those in power take, and take, and take a little more and when we start to show some resistance they offer a few more scraps to shut us up. The question is will they offer enough scraps to allow the people enough to actually live off of?
KansDem
(28,498 posts)...who have repeatedly demonstrated that they have advanced weapons and aren't hesitant to use them.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)the government is collecting plenty of data on all of us.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Naw, it's cause he pulled the rug up and showed us the roaches.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I have considered him an American hero.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Those militarized police forces aren't militarized because of gang violence or the terrorist threat.
There are, however, less than a million badge-and-gun-carrying LEOs in this country. The math doesn't favor them, if things actually do get pushed too far.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the tenth-percenters do not trust the uniformed military, who come from the lower economic strata, to turn on the people when the shit hits the fan.
The kkkops, many of whom are borderline sociopath power/control freaks, will gleefully mow down the people to protect their tenth-percenter owners. but there are a lot more of us than them, and the average kkkop is none too bright.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)But numbers don't always matter.
You need critical thinking as well.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,022 posts)Now, a very great man once said
That some people rob you with a fountain pen
It didnt take too long to find out
Just what he was talkin about
A lot of people dont have much food on their table
But they got a lot of forks n knives
And they gotta cut somethin
-- Bob Dylan Talkin New York 1962
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Greedy rich people have NEVER conceded one nickel without a fight
to the finish, where the people demand it, and win.
So let's not kid ourselves, our Plutocrats are NEVER going to concede ANY thing to a
President who has enriched themselves with corporate "donations" and "speaking fees".
John Poet
(2,510 posts)and since Hillary's for capital punishment, I guess she'd approve.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)would be a fine start. It could probably be kept very busy for a while.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)I think we are getting a taste of it now whats to come. Manufacturing and highly skilled labor will become a thing of the past. Even doctors will be replaced by AI and robot surgery. And the owners will get even richer if something radical isnt done like a generous guaranteed min income for the bottom 90% of the population.
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sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)When they also run countries, very bad shit happens.
geretogo
(1,281 posts)be brought down and democracy will take hold and freedom and equity for all .
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I couldn't do it, could not be a rich CEO and pay my workers peanuts.
And yes, they had best find some empathy sooner rather than later.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)never took a salary of greater than $300,000 per year. He lived in the same apartment in Tokyo for 40 years. He thought ostentations displays of wealth were vulgar and inappropriate, not to mention unfair to the people who built Sony into the giant it was even then.