2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPeople Make a Mistake When They Conflate the Lies of Ryan with the Lies of Romney
This morning pundits and backseat drivers galore were gleefully pointing to how well Joe Biden handled the lies of Paul Ryan. And he did. But to suggest that this is how Obama should have handled Romneys lies is to miss the bigger point. These two Republicans are not the same kinds of liars.
Paul Ryan lied with all of the talking point lies that the Romney ticket has been campaigning on. They were predictable, they have already been debunked, and they were consistent with previous lies. Paul Ryan did not pretend to be something he wasnt. Yes, he tried to spin his abortion answer, but he proudly endorsed privatizing Social Security and Medicare to such an extent that PolitiFact finally agreed that maybe mostly true when Democrats accuse Republicans of wanting to do just that to Medicare.
Thats not what Romney did at all.
Romney took to the stage as a completely different politician. He denied most of his previous positions, claiming the center and even left for himself, leaving Obama stunned. It was a complete about face, a debate performance of such craven duplicity that immediately after it, once again, the Romney campaign was backtracking quietly.
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FSogol
(45,504 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Hopefully the President will be ready for ANYTHING next time - and being polite isn't necessary.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Obama and Axelrod shouldn't have been stunned. They should have been prepared for it.
Ted Kennedy was. And that's who they need to learn from.
Mitt is a pathological liar - failure to expose that could be fatal.
SDjack
(1,448 posts)They expected a debate in which the moderator would have each respond to the questions with statements of policy. Instead, Rmoney disingenuously moved to the center. That gave Pres. Obama two options: 1) he could say "me too" after each Rmoney statement, or 2) he could give Rmoney's specific history of flip-flopping, followed by asking if Rmoney's staff will walk back his statement after the debate. Pres. Obama was not prepared to delivery the histories of Rmoney's flip-flops.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Why not?
SDjack
(1,448 posts)is that his team expected a traditional approach by Romney. So, they did not prepare and practice the responses to his flip-flops. Romney flipped to the center and Pres. Obama was prepared to only give his own policy statements and defend them. He had no plans to attack Romney directly.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I posted on this and I have seen other posters allude to this. Posts like "The Three Faces of Mitt" and Etch a Sketch Mitt. Mitt the flip flopper. One post I asked Which Mitt will Obama have to debate. So, none of us could be in complete shock when Mitt did a 190 and became moderate Mitt. The one thing that did shock me was a couple of times Mitt attacked Obama from the left, those were truly WTF moments.
That being said, having encountered people like this in real life I know how tricky it is to deal with them. My attitude when that happens is F it, I go all out and fail to be polite, very loudly.