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Cannikin

(8,359 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:49 PM Oct 2012

The hidden jewel in the news today: mathematically impossible



The MSM may be up in arms over who won the debate, but the story that grabs my attention today on several sites is the fact checking of the Romney/Ryan tax plan. So far, none of it is good news for camp Romney. Instead of debating about who won, I'm trying to focus on the lies. Confronting conservatives with the news puts them on the defensive real quick. We need to make sure we seize on this and hammer it home instead of worrying about who they say won or what the poll numbers are today. This thing is not over. We can win this with fact. Stay focused, arm yourself and get out there and fight!

Edit: Links provided by request
It's the front page at Huffingtonpost.com

CNN
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/12/news/economy/romney-tax-plan/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-12/the-final-word-on-mitt-romney-s-tax-plan.html
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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
2. These articles miss the main point. They are all talking about loopholes and deductions.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:05 PM
Oct 2012

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Even if Romney was willing to close some loopholes and eliminate some deductions (and he isn't willing to identify a single one) that comes nowhere close to making up the $5 trillion.

The elephant in the room is that both Ryan and Romney are really arguing (under their breath) that cutting taxes results is so much growth that we would be swimming in additional tax revenues.

The CNN article barely mentioned that in the LAST 2 SENTENCES:

Can't economic growth help pay for the tax cuts? Yes, but it's impossible to know by how much.
For one thing, it matters how quickly one assumes the economy will grow.

That's it. That's all they said

And the Bloomberg article goes through 35 paragraphs before finally mentioning:
Rosen also depends on aggressive assumptions about macro-level dynamic effects, where taxes rise not because individual taxpayers report more taxable income but because the economy grows as a whole. In other words, he is depending on rosy -- and not necessarily warranted -- economic assumptions to make the numbers pencil.


More about that here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251138006

Wounded Bear

(58,676 posts)
4. So, essentially they're back to the Laffer curve....
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:24 PM
Oct 2012

where decreased tax rates magically bring in more revenue.

I always thought that idea was aptly named. It certainly was laughable.

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