2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy do people act like primaries are winner take all, when they are not?
Shouldn't ideas of winning and losing be directly related to the actual rules of Delegates awarded by the votes?
People on both sides claim entire states in their column when it just isn't so. Except maybe Vermont.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)But google sure is showing enormous differences in how many delegates each has in each state so far. I'm not sure if Bernie is getting skunked pretty much everywhere, or if they're folding in the superdelegates on Hillary's count.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)...Hillary's killing it.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)And since a lot people in (D) seem to be more (R) than (D) they get confused?
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)...for republicans.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)By GOP rule no Republican primary or caucus can be winner by all until March 15th. Starting March 15 the states can go to a winner take all format, or go proportional, or a combination of the two.
What states can do before March 15th is to set a bar from 5% to 20% of the vote which a candidate must clear in order to get any delegates. So if a candidate or candidates do not clear the bar, they get no delegates and all the delegates are divided between those who clear the bar. Here is the bars for the Super Tuesday states.
Alabama 20%
Alaska 13%
Arkansas 15%
Georgia 20%
Massachusetts 5%
Minnesota 10%
Oklahoma 15%
Tennessee 20%
Texas 20%
Vermont 20%
There going to a lot of situationx tonight where Carson and Kasich and maybe even Rubio will get no delegates in these Super Tuesday states even if the the delegates are awarded proportionally.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and they're heavily favoring Secretary Clinton.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)But from what has been shown is that there are some fucked up things going on with regards to voting.
If you win, fine. But if you cheat continuously, you are no more legitimate than a ham sandwich.
I am sick of seeing our elections getting stolen from us by voter suppression.
My GOD, is it that damn bad that people care enough to vote in the Primary only to be cheated of being able to do so?
I support everybody's right to vote, even if they are voting against my choice of candidate.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Democrats are all proportional.
A win is still a win when a candidate wins a majority.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)And in proportional, the difference between winning and losing is usually nothing - zero delegates difference.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)And inmost cases tonight, the differences will not be small.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Then the winner gets the lion's share of the delegates. So the in Oklahoma and Massachusetts you're right, but you are not right for states like Vermont and most of the delegate rich Southern states. According to CNN, so far Clinton has won 180 delegates and Sanders has won 80. Lots of delegates to go.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)By GOP rule no Republican primary or caucus can be winner by all until March 15th. Starting March 15 the states can go to a winner take all format, or go proportional, or a combination of the two.
What states can do before March 15th is to set a bar from 5% to 20% of the vote which a candidate must clear in order to get any delegates. So if a candidate or candidates do not clear the bar, they get no delegates and all the delegates are divided between those who clear the bar. Here is the bars for the Super Tuesday states.
Alabama 20%
Alaska 13%
Arkansas 15%
Georgia 20%
Massachusetts 5%
Minnesota 10%
Oklahoma 15%
Tennessee 20%
Texas 20%
Vermont 20%
There going to a lot of situationx tonight where Carson and Kasich and maybe even Rubio will get no delegates in these Super Tuesday states even if the the delegates are awarded proportionally.
mythology
(9,527 posts)That's kind of a weird number to choose. Of course they are Republicans and it's looking like their best hope of not getting Trump is to have nobody get a majority of their delegates and to have a fight at the convention.
Which would admittedly be really cool to watch and would probably result in a landslide for either Clinton or Sanders given what that would do to the Republican party.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Now there were also winner take all congressional districts and Trump won all those too. So it was q00% winner take all but technically there were congressional district winner take all as well. Seehttp://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/SC-R
But I agree they now wait until 3/15 for any more winner take all contests
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)It was not winner take all state wide in SC. Each congressional district in SC awarded its allotted delegates. Then the winner of the state was awarded a set of state wide delegates. Therefore the only way Trump could have taken every delegate in the state was to win each and every congressional district as well as winning the state as he did. Maybe that is what happened.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)"State that will not vote for the Democrat in November just picked ________!!!!"
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)We could have one national primary election held on, say, Super Tuesday, and it would result in much greater electoral integrity - every state would be in play, no state would have undue influence on the outcome, and we could give our nominee extra time to prepare for the general.
But the media would not be able to milk the campaigns for advertising cash, and the establishment would not be able to play favoritism games, so we spread the primaries out needlessly over many months.