2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCould California be the kingmaker in this election?
We have 546 delegates: http://www.270towin.com/2016-democratic-nomination/
That's over twice as many as Texas or Florida, and nearly twice as many as New York--far more than any other state.
So why hasn't there even been a poll since early January (the last one had Clinton up by 9% over Sanders, closer than prior polls)?
California is the plum all the candidates should be scrambling for. A big win here for candidates in either party could sew it up -- oh and the Republican primary in California is winner-take-all. I can't see Californians going for Trump and of the 3 Reps left standing, Rubio could do better here than Cruz or Trump given the huge Latino population and most here are not conservative.
We're talking a state here where the Governor, 2/3 of both houses of the Legislature, and the entire statewide slate of offices (Lt. Gov, Secretary of State, Attorney General etc.) are 100% Democrats. There is a strong progressive caucus, Hollywood and big urban liberal cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles as the major voting blocks. Even San Diego, once a solid GOP bastion, now has a Democratic-controlled city council.
This is a state that when it has gone Republican, went for the likes of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Ronald Reagan (movie star celebrities, and Arnold was an immigrant). We have a YUGE number of immigrants from all over and I can't seem them voting for tRUMP.
If Bernie takes CA and Trump loses it, the dynamic could change quickly. We don't vote until early June.
The rest of the west could also make a difference - Oregon, Washington and Hawaii are all liberal states, though AZ, NM, Utah and Idaho are conservative but they don't have nearly the votes together that California has alone.
MADem
(135,425 posts)By then, though, I think it will be mathematically impossible for BS to get enough delegates to prevail.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Sanders is not polling well in California according to the latest polls that I have seen http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2522.pdf By the time California rolls around, the process will be over. Again with proportionate voting, it will be hard to catch Clinton after Super Tuesday. Losing California by 11 points is not a great way to become the nominee.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)we just barely got add buys from both on national cables
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)The results of these groups voting for Sec. Clinton were not voting irregularities but due to the fact that these groups did not buy Sanders message. Do you have any backup that there were voting irregularities?
valerief
(53,235 posts)talking nonsense.
Clinton won two-thirds of the Latino vote an 84% of the African American vote
The results of these groups voting for Sec. Clinton were not voting irregularities but due to the fact that these groups did not buy Sanders message. Do you have any backup that there were voting irregularities?
And how on earth did you escape my Forever Ignored list?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)though remember to vote in June, we will have a boat load of initiatives...
This is the map from 2008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tuesday,_2008
basselope
(2,565 posts)ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)I would be very surprised.
basselope
(2,565 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Hillary has been doing very well with the Latino vote. Also, she's ahead in the polls. Time will tell, I suppose.
basselope
(2,565 posts)We're smart here in CA. Kinda like MN.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Hillary won the Latino vote in Nevada. At the very least the exit polls are unclear.
Also, Colorado is a caucus state, so it isn't a great template for drawing conclusions.
And finally, there's the African American vote, of which California also has a large contingent.
I predict Hillary will comfortably win California. But it's a long way away. Who knows what might happen.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)And, no , some parts of West L A might resemble Minnesota, but the rest of the city and state surely don't.
We celebrate our heterogeneity in the Golden State.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)That's a chimera, but you already know that.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Sanders is going to lose badly here, because the Hispanic vote is a big share of the overall vote and he's done quite poorly with them. Combine that with the black vote, which he loses by 50 points or more most places and you have a Clinton win.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Clinton has no support in CA. Sanders won the Latino vote in Nevada AND Colorado. She won it.. in Texas. Nuff said.
Clinton loses CA by at least 10 points without a doubt.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Don't believe me? Just watch.
basselope
(2,565 posts)"Star Member MineralMan (80,910 posts)
32. Oh, we don't all know that Hillary can't win.
Not by any stretch of the imagination. But I doubt that Bernie will win in Minnesota on Tuesday. "
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)If Clinton has no support, then how would she lose by just 10 points? If she had no support, she'd get zero percent of the vote. You are contradicting your own bad logic.
Considering that Sanders lost the Hispanic vote by over 30% in Texas, it's probably not true that he won it in Colorado or Nevada, which have similar types of Hispanic electorates. California and Texas have even more similar types of Hispanic electorates. Sanders will not win here.
basselope
(2,565 posts)She has no support = her support is VERY VERY weak.
He won the Latino support in Nevada and Colorado and CA Latinos have very LITTLE in common with Texas.
Texas is a world unto itself and you can't extrapolate anything from results there, b/c they never apply, ESPECIALLY to a state like California where we know the difference between a fake and REAL progressive.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Out of curiosity what does that say about the one trailing?
basselope
(2,565 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)There are a lot of Clinton supporters here.
Lots of old ties and some people still aren't sure about Bernie. People in my own family think that she is inevitable (we have had some good talks on that!!).
As a Bernie supporter, I think we have our work cut out for us. I intend to do all that I can for his campaign and to get the word out about him.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)people in general don't know who Bernie is. Sorry, but they don't. The majority of people don't know jack shit about politics at all (But can name the starting offensive line for the '81 49ers) much less some damn old ass socialist from the east Coast.
They know Clinton, they know that CA prospered until Bill and would like to see that again, even if yes, they do some shady shit.
I think you are not realizing how many over 50 year old people there are in this state. All of them Republicans or very right wing Democrats. Hell I know State Workers that are anti taxation, buy crap from Amazon, use Uber and AirbandB, and others who own companies that sell IT stuff to the Government (and who just got a huge gift from Obama!) and they are hardly liberal. Democrat yes but the choice between Bernie and Hillary is not as clear cut here as you think.
Not to mention there has been no organizing coordination here yet. I've tried to get work for Bernie but nothing...... Nothing from the Dem Convention two weeks ago.......(It was, the press reported, all about Hillary and Kmala Harris)
I, in my entire circle of friends outside of my hippie family (many of whom never ever vote), am the only one that is an actual liberal. And that covers a lot of people.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)than the East Coast.
I think it will be way easier for one of them than the other.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)...it would be nice, for the first time that I can remember, we'd actually have a major impact in choosing our nominee.
SDJay
(1,089 posts)the last time the primary here in CA actually made that big of a difference.
If so, it will launch SBS to the nomination IMHO. There haven't been any recent polls here that I've seen, but CA is feeling the Bern based admittedly on completely anecdotal evidence. I've seen all sorts of SBS stuff around CA - northern and southern - and I can count on one hand the number of HRC things I've seen.
If it comes down to CA, I wonder if Governor Brown will step in and endorse...
Regardless, tonight was supposed to be the final nail for SBS. Instead, it's still a fight and a lot of things are lining up in the positive column for Bernie.
This is fun stuff.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)And at the point it probably won't effect the delegate counts all that much. It's a heavily non-white electorate, so Clinton should perform well there.
basselope
(2,565 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Can't argue with overwhelmingly sound logic like that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)That's like thinking all of New York is like Manhattan...Hillary will do great among non-white Californians and well enough among white Californians to easily carry the state.
Here in L A almost the entire Congressional delegation endorsed her including the mayor.
A comfortable double digit win.
BTW, West L A is way too expensive for this plebeian to live there.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)is in the making?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)which will mean that both candidates will get close to the same number of delegates from it. That won't change the balance of the delegate count very much at all. It's all about the delegates. All state allocate delegates proportionally to the people's votes.
Understanding how delegates are allocated is crucial to figuring this all out. Lots of people don't understand that.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)"We're talking a state here where the Governor, 2/3 of both houses of the Legislature, and the entire statewide slate of offices (Lt. Gov, Secretary of State, Attorney General etc.) are 100% Democrats. "
Every damned one of those people are in the tank for Hills. Every. One. The California Democratic Party is VERY powerful here so don't underestimate them. That's why we have to continue to work hard for Bernie here. We've been doing GREAT things so far but the same forces that have come out for Establishment politics so far are going to be on steroids here in California, dirty tricks included.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)(Both in the US congress and the California legislature) are for Hillary. It's very frustrating. They made up their minds long before the elections!!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and Kamal Harris, heirs apparent to Boxer's seat, who also came out for Hills. My Congresscritter, Jim Costa is a DINO so he does whatever he's ordered to do. Man hasn't had an original thought in 30 years.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)With the proportional delegate system, it will be very hard to make up any substantial delegate deficit. And that is assuming he can carry the state to begin with.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... for Bernie. Right now it's not over-over, but it's as good as over. His mathematical chances are as thin as a strand of thread. It's just not going to happen for him. Bernie will not be the nominee.