2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJustice Dept. grants immunity to staffer who set up Clinton email server
Interesting. Looks like someone is going to take fall for this. The only question is how close is to Clinton?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-clinton-email-investigation-justice-department-grants-immunity-to-former-state-department-staffer/2016/03/02/e421e39e-e0a0-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_clintonemail830p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
The Justice Department has granted immunity to the former State Department staffer who worked on Hillary Rodham Clintons private email server as part of a criminal investigation into the possible mishandling of classified information, according to a senior law enforcement official.
The official said the FBI had secured the cooperation of Bryan Pagliano who worked on Clintons 2008 presidential campaign before setting up the server in her New York home in 2009.
Former federal prosecutor Glen Kopp said it is not surprising agents want to interview Clinton and her aides.
They are within the zone of interest of the investigation, he said.
A request to interview her would have to be reviewed by top level officials at both the FBI and the Justice Department, a former official said.
As part of those interviews, the FBI would also seek to establish that Clinton and her aides understood the policies and protocols for handling classified information, former officials said.
Its unclear whether Clinton and her aides would agree to an interview with the FBI because of the potential legal risks. However, if Clinton refused to cooperate with FBI investigators, the issue could become a political flashpoint in the campaign.
Her lawyer, David Kendall, declined to comment.
revbones
(3,660 posts)I'm betting that she'll have someone lower take the fall for her.
This should wake up any rational person to the fact that this is not just some right-wing smear job and it could have significant ramifications to the election if she is the nominee.
Basically, a vote for Hillary could easily be a vote for Trump. Really, I feel it is, but perhaps the "could" will result in less alerts from the crazy HRC DU thought police...
There's no way this doesn't become an issue in the campaign. But Hillary supporters will just assume it's nothing, say "But Colin Powell had a private server too!", and so on. I actually had one tell me on DU that the FBI had been infiltrated by right-wingers because Bush swept everyone out and replaced them, and Obama left them in place.
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I can't support her for a lot of reasons but having this Damocles sword hanging over all of us by the slightest of threads is too damn much to ask of anyone.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)He plead the fifth during the congressional Benghazi hearings. I think the intertwining allows Hillary supporters to feel this is the same, when it's not.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)but you and I know it's extremely important
It means the Justice department is going after a bigger fish. When they start offering immunity to the underlings, they're really aiming up the chain
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)like this, it serves a purpose. Although the public consumes the information and the information is released via the media--the intent isn't primarily to inform the public, but to put the squeeze on those who are under investigation.
This is he FBI's way of sending the following message, 'We've got your IT guy who is speaking freely, without fear of criminal charges. Whatever went on here, we will now know.'
This creates a "walls closing in" feel, which can foment all kinds of reactions from those involved.
Immunity is a negotiated trade off. The FBI didn't walk up to this guy after one meeting and cut him a deal. This was negotiated iteratively. The FBI does not grant immunity unless they have assurances that the information offered is critical to the investigation.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)literally
Watching HRC supporters spin this now will be depressing
Even more depressing will be those who simply ignore it
bvf
(6,604 posts)I dont think they'll be able to ignore it. Deflect, probably, but ignore it?
Brace yourselves for a spate of "Here's why Sanders is evil" OPs. Maybe another nonsensical appeal or two to Skinner to make the pusillanimous bullies go away.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)I'll bet there might be a little puckering happening inside camp weather vane
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Is not taking the fall for her. I suspect everyone knew this was a crazy idea and the whole thing was basically structured to avoid FOI (another crime).
My guess is that they were brazen about it, and concerns about security/official policies were brought up, and he was told not to worry about it. I suspect its another Clinton staffer, but there is no way they would do this without Clinton's explicit approval. The only question is will others roll over or will they take the fall for Clinton?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I am glad to say I have no experience with the nature of immunity to prosecution.
It doesn't look like he'll do a McDougal, but maybe Huma will. It's always nice to have human shields on one's staff.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And yes it is so he can testify freely with out worry of prosecution. With this agreement in place he won't need to be compelled to testify.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Considering the Clinton Foundation's many wealthy connections...well, you know what's on my mind.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm saying that because he's already working with the FBI outside of this agreement they must have something on him.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)He pleaded the fifth and said, through his lawyer, he would only testify if granted full immunity. The whole purpose of immunity is to get him to testify, not to get more 5th pleas.
He is agreeing to answer all of their questions in exchange for immunity. If he then refuses to answer questions and again pleads the fifth, he's reneging on the agreement and open to prosecution if somebody else provides evidence against him.
This way he can admit to doing anything he knows was illegal and not be prosecuted for it. He had been a government employee; he knew what the security requirements around the systems were and he didn't follow them. So he could be held partially responsible for not properly protecting classified information. This lets him off the hook for responsibility, but not for testifying. He must testify to maintain his immunity.
Otherwise there would be no point in offering him immunity.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)But these things often seem to have more curves in them than I expect
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)So please stop looking at it"?
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)I am sure HRC will demand that those responsible will be held to account.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Not good news at all.
Immunity can only mean one thing. The server wasn't wiped good enough and there were some top secrets on that public unsecured server. And they are letting the IT go free?
Uhoh. Not good.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The washington post? The FBI?
How can such unfairly biased nonsense be posted at DU?
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You know, Im just a stupid berniebro. Obviously not bright enough to figure out why that isnt as bad as it sounds.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)is indicted - She'll sink the party and the country in 1 fell swoop
Merryland
(1,134 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Im resigned to her likely being the nominee, so i really fucking hope her happytalk brigades are right that there's nothing there.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)They would impeach her on her first day in office
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I'm not blowing this off. I do not know if there is something to this or not but I am worried. If there is something there I hope it gets dealt with fast so we could move on to Bernie if need be. I love my country and think Bernie would be a fine President. So I guess what I am saying is Thank God we have a decent candidate just in case. Yes. I am worried. I would be lying if I said I wasn't
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Do they not have to prove it was intentional and with malice?
Anyway.. CNN puts me at ease over the whole thing a little..
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/02/politics/hillary-clinton-email-server-justice-department/index.html
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Bernie will emerge unscathed tho from this
Logical
(22,457 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)CdnExtraNational
(105 posts)Response to kcjohn1 (Original post)
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MelissaB
(16,420 posts)LOL!
840high
(17,196 posts)my friend Ted. He hates her.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)We are close to Lexington.
Hubby laughed and laughed at that bumper sticker. He just couldn't believe it. At first, he thought it was pro Hillary and then he got closer and read all of it.
840high
(17,196 posts)MelissaB
(16,420 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and the FBI how Hillary's supporters would be acting?
Is this the first time a Presidential candidate has been under such a cloud?
This is my sincere opinion. I think she needs to suspend her campaign for the good of the country.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)I've heard she may be in big trouble for soliciting for the Clinton Foundation while Sec. of State.
yourout
(7,532 posts)Corruption on a grand scale
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But it was dismissed as it was from Fox but people fail to realize that the Clinton foundation's emails were on that server as well as all her top staff.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And non of the usual suspects are touching this story!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If not that, then something more terrible.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)candidate, Gov Hair from Texas ran while under indictment, he did however drop out of the race pretty early.
Yes, the Foundation stuff is murky to say the least. Haiti wants to know where THEIR money is as apparently all the money donated has not gone to rebuilding that poor country.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)to make sure that a candidate under a cloud like this wins the nomination. Almost like they don't care who has the White House if it's not Hillary.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)risk the Party being subjected to the inevitable right wing attacks and the loss of an election'. And I think that is exactly what she needs to do now, to suspend her campaign so we are not subjected to more years of Clinton scandals while the country's business isn't the main focus, as we saw during the whole impeachment period. And thoough I fiercely defended them back then, secretly I knew HE put us in a position of having to defend them and I for one won't be doing that anymore.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)ever again. I'm done with that.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I predict much whistling past the graveyard in the coming days.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Wasn't there some thing very irregular about the way they hired this guy.
Doesn't matter - if they are granting him immunity they have some thing concrete on a bigger fish
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)"The official said the FBI had secured the cooperation of Bryan Pagliano who worked on Clintons 2008 presidential campaign before setting up the server in her New York home in 2009."
This part is huge and shouldn't be overlooked and makes this news of immunity ominous for Hillary. He's about to testify in a grand jury IMHO.
With the news that an email has been found on her server that was "marked classified " It's only gonna get worse from here.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,020 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)if HRC fucks this up for him I will be pissed
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't think this is going away.
bvf
(6,604 posts)andrewv1
(168 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)But the classified email investigation is probably reaching the end and the FBI will be making their recommendation, or not, to the DOJ very soon. This isn't looking good for Hillary.
angrychair
(8,732 posts)For awhile now: this is not going away! It is a big deal!
I have been laughed at. Talked to like I'm an idiot. Called a "right-winger". Called a Republican plant. Argued to death about souce material.
As I have also stated several times: you can shoot the messenger but it won't change the message.
As recently as a speech I heard today she was talking about love and unity and making the country whole again.
If she really means that than withdraw now with dignity, on your own terms, and give this issue the attention it deserves. The country will be in good hands with Bernie.
PLEASE WITHDRAW NOW.