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K Gardner

(14,933 posts)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:59 AM Oct 2012

Nate Silver on "UP": "Media Coverage Following the Debates is ABYSMAL."

Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Well, how could anyone really disagree with that?

Nate implied he had a different opinion of the first debate; however, after the first 30 minutes of media coverage, the narrative was set. He suggested a 30 minute media analyst "black out", where we only show panda bears or something, while people MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS and post-debate poll analysis won't be skewed.

Fat chance of that happening. But he makes a good point, as usual.

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Nate Silver on "UP": "Media Coverage Following the Debates is ABYSMAL." (Original Post) K Gardner Oct 2012 OP
And the polling has been MANIPULATED to create a Romney bounce rocktivity Oct 2012 #1
I watched 15 seconds of MTP, long enough to see it was INdemo Oct 2012 #22
Exactly. Howard Dean said the same thing. Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #2
Best article on the debate ProSense Oct 2012 #3
"I like PBS, I like Big Bird, but we have to stop this subsidy to PBS" tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #4
That's all I remember him saying. Connie_Corleone Oct 2012 #5
LOL, yeah, Matthews setting his hair on fire and Big Ed weeping were about all I remember.. K Gardner Oct 2012 #6
The upside to their overreaction may be that Tuesday's debate will be very different from the 1st bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #10
Very well said. My only GRIPE, and I may have this wrong, but is this a T.H. on Foreign Policy?? K Gardner Oct 2012 #11
I could be wrong, too, but union_maid Oct 2012 #12
Foreign and domestic issues bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #13
In the town hall, the audience asks the questions. yellerpup Oct 2012 #27
Exactly! RichGirl Oct 2012 #8
They were spot on and I commend them for smelling the turd Obama laid that night smorkingapple Oct 2012 #33
RE: Romney on defunding PBS Raggaemon Oct 2012 #18
Thats exactly what I saw too! Generic Brad Oct 2012 #23
Well, that's only because theKed Oct 2012 #29
That is a great point ProSense Oct 2012 #24
So true. Iris Oct 2012 #25
Howard Dean liberal from boston Oct 2012 #15
Re: polls manipulated Raggaemon Oct 2012 #16
Uh... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #28
I sense that Romney had memorized mini speeches.... FarPoint Oct 2012 #26
Agree 100% cheriemedium59 Oct 2012 #7
I do, too. And I still see Obama as the winner in that ridiculous display of Romney arrogance. Iris Oct 2012 #9
Me three. cilla4progress Oct 2012 #21
the media is the horn of the wealthy fascisthunter Oct 2012 #14
That's their job. nt bemildred Oct 2012 #17
And I like Panda bears PatSeg Oct 2012 #19
The political horse race narrative Raggaemon Oct 2012 #20
CNN has a conflict of interest with Bain/Romney - so they are biased in reporting Indep2992 Oct 2012 #30
Also, the Daily Beast mentions that this is common among media elites... Indep2992 Oct 2012 #31
Oh God, we're back on the "Obama didn't lose the debate" truther shit now? STOP!!!!!!!!! smorkingapple Oct 2012 #32
What in the name of Faux Outrage is YOUR problem? This post was a report about something K Gardner Oct 2012 #34
If the shoe fits get a matching purse... smorkingapple Oct 2012 #35
Thanks for posting this. David Zephyr Oct 2012 #36

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
22. I watched 15 seconds of MTP, long enough to see it was
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:14 PM
Oct 2012

stacked for right wing opinions with right wing hacks..and Tom Brokaw lead the way..He said that Obama needs to " step up to get back in it" switch..but WTF does that mean get back in it.on to other morning talk shows and they all acted as if Rmoney had the lead and it was his to lose..On to Candy Crawley ,the same..gave it 5 seconds. Then on to ESPN ..at least it was free of politcs at least for now..
But it seems like the Repukes are stepping up the rhetoric so could it be Koch Bros money is taking hold.Just learned this morning that aside fomr the early voting issue settled for now,the phoney voter registration uncovered,I learned that 17 states have laws in place that has not been challenged yet that could cause or will cause voting difficulties..and that makes me nervous. I just wonder if all this is why Rmoney all of a sudden has so much confidence.

Alekei_Firebird

(320 posts)
2. Exactly. Howard Dean said the same thing.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:06 AM
Oct 2012

Howard Dean was on "The Last Word", and he said that authoritatively that Obama didn't lose the first debate at all and that it was a draw.

That was exactly my feeling after I watched it. I was at a public broadcast, so I wasn't tuned into the internet and all the Tweets and blogs. I left feeling pretty disappointed that I had wasted a whole evening on a no-decision debate in which Romney consistently lied and Obama let him.

But I wake up the next morning and Romney "clobbered" Obama? Can anyone name ONE memorable or cogent thing that Romney said?

Connie_Corleone

(9,330 posts)
5. That's all I remember him saying.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:15 AM
Oct 2012

But the media, especially on msnbc had a freakout on air right after the debate and set the narrative. I also thought it was a draw before Matthews and Schultz started their wailing and gnashing of teeth.

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
10. The upside to their overreaction may be that Tuesday's debate will be very different from the 1st
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:01 AM
Oct 2012

The candidates will be in a town hall format. Romney's weakness here is that he can't guarantee that a questioner is one of his prescreened picks, with a pre-approved question. President Obama can think on his feet and can relate to people one on one. Romney is only good with what is scripted. The diffference will be night and day between the two debates and Matthews and Schultz will not be able to help but notice the difference.

The President does NOT need a homerun. His numbers are already going up. All he needs is better than his last debate performance. And thanks to people like Matthews and Schultz, that bar is VERY low.

K Gardner

(14,933 posts)
11. Very well said. My only GRIPE, and I may have this wrong, but is this a T.H. on Foreign Policy??
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:10 AM
Oct 2012

Haven't the last 3 been on foreign policy? And we've had 5 minutes on "women's issues".

There seem to be so MANY relevant topics that simply are not being covered. To me, at least.

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
12. I could be wrong, too, but
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:19 AM
Oct 2012

I think that the last debate is foreign policy. This one, being a town hall, is probably more general.

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
13. Foreign and domestic issues
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:22 AM
Oct 2012

Unfortunately, Gallup is in charge of collecting "undecided" voters (we know there are few of them, so many will actually be lying that they are truely "undecided&quot . And Gallup seems too echo Rassmussan to be taken seriously as an independant pollster.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-romney-debate-formats-include-town-hall/1#.UHrX3mt5mSM

"In the Oct. 16 town hall at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y., "citizens will ask questions of the candidates on foreign and domestic issues," the Commission on Presidential Debates announced today. "Candidates each will have two minutes to respond and an additional minute for the moderator to facilitate a discussion."

The commission said town meeting participants will consist of "undecided voters selected by the Gallup Organization.""

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
27. In the town hall, the audience asks the questions.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:34 PM
Oct 2012

I don't know the rules or the parameters of it. Theoretically, the questions could be on any issue. The third debate is on foreign policy.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
8. Exactly!
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:36 AM
Oct 2012

I'm so disgusted that I haven't watched MSNBC since! They never even mentioned the content of the debate, what was said. It was all ROMNEY WON!!!

They should all go witness a high school debate. It's usually the nerds with no personality who win because they have the facts, the brains and make good points. MSNBC would have the boisterous captain of the football team going blah blah blah that would be the winner.

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
33. They were spot on and I commend them for smelling the turd Obama laid that night
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:55 PM
Oct 2012

You want cheerleaders watch Fox News and how they treat Republicans...

Raggaemon

(68 posts)
18. RE: Romney on defunding PBS
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:04 PM
Oct 2012

Is it JUST me ? why is it that everyone seems to have overlooked the fact that Mitt Romney looked a real live human being in the eyes on national TV and told him ( Jim Lehrer ), he was gonna be fired ? This wasn't some kids program character Mitt threatened with taking his job away, but everybody just seemed to miss that part, WTF ?

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
23. Thats exactly what I saw too!
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:16 PM
Oct 2012

And he smiled when he said it, as if discarding another human being was fun for him to do.

theKed

(1,235 posts)
29. Well, that's only because
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:41 PM
Oct 2012

to him, it is fun. He's been quoted as saying he enjoys being able to fire people.

15. Howard Dean
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:55 AM
Oct 2012

Thank you Aleki. I also heard Gov. Dean on The Last Word state that President Obama did not lose the first debate & Lawrence O'Donnell questioned how could Romney who lied thru the whole debate be declared the winner. IMO, Romney was hyper, jumpy & excitable but the media never questioned Romney's behavior. President Obama was Presidential, gave detailed answers to questions, & at times even though the President was looking down at notes you could see he was amused at Romney's lies. Romney's behavior during that debate demonstrated to me what a disaster he would be as President.

Raggaemon

(68 posts)
16. Re: polls manipulated
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:58 AM
Oct 2012

I only follow Nate Silver's page because he takes the time to weed out the way polls get weighted. One thing I believe Nate pointed out is that if the polls focus heavily on "likely voters" while diminishing the impact that "registered voters" have you'll get a totally different looking set of numbers. According to what I've read, registered voters tend to vote at around 80-85% of the time, weighing poll results that mesh both groups together, the president is in better shape than some may believe .... that deoesn't mean things have not tighetned of course.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
28. Uh...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:35 PM
Oct 2012
I only follow Nate Silver's page because he takes the time to weed out the way polls get weighted.

...I haven't seen a whole lot of "weeding" being done over at 538 recently. IMHO, he needs to get out his trowel and dig up a whole infestation of WeAskAmericARGravismussen sprouts fouling his lawn.

FarPoint

(12,409 posts)
26. I sense that Romney had memorized mini speeches....
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:29 PM
Oct 2012

Like Palin did for her debate; and we all know she was clueless....

He didn't stop and think at all...just babbled away....no feeling in his answers....

Hope the town hall setting exposes Romney for the empty suit he truly is............

cheriemedium59

(212 posts)
7. Agree 100%
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:34 AM
Oct 2012

Why do we have to buy into 'their' opinions? They are journalists. We the people get
to make up our own minds about who did a better job. It has become a corporate/media agenda
instead of presenting the facts.

PatSeg

(47,482 posts)
19. And I like Panda bears
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:11 PM
Oct 2012

Playful kittens would be good too.

This is a very good point. I try to keep an open mind, but I know that I can be influenced by the commentary after a political event. My initial reaction to Obama during the debate was disappointment and uncertainty. During the debate friends and relatives posted responses and I have to admit that started to affect my opinion. That was followed by the pundits and I never really had a chance to form an objective opinion.

Raggaemon

(68 posts)
20. The political horse race narrative
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:18 PM
Oct 2012

OF COURSE it's the job of the various news media to portray a death match, it's down to the wire, the challanger is gaining on the champ, horse race scenarios, what better way to grip anxieties and to capture eyeballs ?

I owned a business that used TV commercials to get customers, the account reps call advertisers trying to get them to buy more ads during times like these, I found that out when Bill Clinton ran for his second term. It's about generating advertising revenue taking advantage of special situations such as where we are right now.

I recall my CBS rep saying that if my ads were pre-empted by press conferences, etc., they'd make it up to with a few freebies, who'd say NO ?

I struggle to believe that ONE debate can create such a big shift in public opinion, it just doesn't seem reasonable, but then very little has been reasonable where it comes to the hateful push-back against Barack Obama's presidency.

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
32. Oh God, we're back on the "Obama didn't lose the debate" truther shit now? STOP!!!!!!!!!
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:51 PM
Oct 2012

*facepalm*

Guys guys guys guys guys.....

He lost. It was a DREADFUL performance. HORRENDOUS.

Please stop flushing your own credibility down the toilet by denying it. It was simply the worst debate performance by a Presidential candidate whether sitting President or not in my lifetime. Maybe ever.

The polls do not lie. He lost by epic proportions.

Does this table help you see the light?



You don't see a shift like this unless you take a massive shit on yourself in front of 70 million people.

K Gardner

(14,933 posts)
34. What in the name of Faux Outrage is YOUR problem? This post was a report about something
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:33 PM
Oct 2012

ONE person said on a talk show today. Which some people happen to agree with: that media coverage of debates immediately following a debate are HORRIBLE.

You've processed the message with the wrong part of your brain and gone all bonkers.

Read. It. Again.

And stop name-calling over imaginary b/s that you read into an OP that isn't there. Invisible Chair, anyone?

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
35. If the shoe fits get a matching purse...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:43 PM
Oct 2012

You had people quoting Silver and Dean as backups to how they saw the debate(Obama draw).

This post was for them and others who think like them, not the OP. I suspect you're one of them.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
36. Thanks for posting this.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:56 PM
Oct 2012

There was an orchestrated media echo chamber like the "Dean Scream" video-clipping that was non-stop and still makes me mad thinking about it.

Democrats should not be suckered into conservative talking points at election time.

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