2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNate Silver on "UP": "Media Coverage Following the Debates is ABYSMAL."
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Well, how could anyone really disagree with that?
Nate implied he had a different opinion of the first debate; however, after the first 30 minutes of media coverage, the narrative was set. He suggested a 30 minute media analyst "black out", where we only show panda bears or something, while people MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS and post-debate poll analysis won't be skewed.
Fat chance of that happening. But he makes a good point, as usual.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)In case he hadn't noticed.
rocktivity
INdemo
(6,994 posts)stacked for right wing opinions with right wing hacks..and Tom Brokaw lead the way..He said that Obama needs to " step up to get back in it" switch..but WTF does that mean get back in it.on to other morning talk shows and they all acted as if Rmoney had the lead and it was his to lose..On to Candy Crawley ,the same..gave it 5 seconds. Then on to ESPN ..at least it was free of politcs at least for now..
But it seems like the Repukes are stepping up the rhetoric so could it be Koch Bros money is taking hold.Just learned this morning that aside fomr the early voting issue settled for now,the phoney voter registration uncovered,I learned that 17 states have laws in place that has not been challenged yet that could cause or will cause voting difficulties..and that makes me nervous. I just wonder if all this is why Rmoney all of a sudden has so much confidence.
Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)Howard Dean was on "The Last Word", and he said that authoritatively that Obama didn't lose the first debate at all and that it was a draw.
That was exactly my feeling after I watched it. I was at a public broadcast, so I wasn't tuned into the internet and all the Tweets and blogs. I left feeling pretty disappointed that I had wasted a whole evening on a no-decision debate in which Romney consistently lied and Obama let him.
But I wake up the next morning and Romney "clobbered" Obama? Can anyone name ONE memorable or cogent thing that Romney said?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021485643
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Connie_Corleone
(9,330 posts)But the media, especially on msnbc had a freakout on air right after the debate and set the narrative. I also thought it was a draw before Matthews and Schultz started their wailing and gnashing of teeth.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)LOL..
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)The candidates will be in a town hall format. Romney's weakness here is that he can't guarantee that a questioner is one of his prescreened picks, with a pre-approved question. President Obama can think on his feet and can relate to people one on one. Romney is only good with what is scripted. The diffference will be night and day between the two debates and Matthews and Schultz will not be able to help but notice the difference.
The President does NOT need a homerun. His numbers are already going up. All he needs is better than his last debate performance. And thanks to people like Matthews and Schultz, that bar is VERY low.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)Haven't the last 3 been on foreign policy? And we've had 5 minutes on "women's issues".
There seem to be so MANY relevant topics that simply are not being covered. To me, at least.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)I think that the last debate is foreign policy. This one, being a town hall, is probably more general.
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)Unfortunately, Gallup is in charge of collecting "undecided" voters (we know there are few of them, so many will actually be lying that they are truely "undecided" . And Gallup seems too echo Rassmussan to be taken seriously as an independant pollster.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-romney-debate-formats-include-town-hall/1#.UHrX3mt5mSM
"In the Oct. 16 town hall at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y., "citizens will ask questions of the candidates on foreign and domestic issues," the Commission on Presidential Debates announced today. "Candidates each will have two minutes to respond and an additional minute for the moderator to facilitate a discussion."
The commission said town meeting participants will consist of "undecided voters selected by the Gallup Organization.""
yellerpup
(12,253 posts)I don't know the rules or the parameters of it. Theoretically, the questions could be on any issue. The third debate is on foreign policy.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)I'm so disgusted that I haven't watched MSNBC since! They never even mentioned the content of the debate, what was said. It was all ROMNEY WON!!!
They should all go witness a high school debate. It's usually the nerds with no personality who win because they have the facts, the brains and make good points. MSNBC would have the boisterous captain of the football team going blah blah blah that would be the winner.
smorkingapple
(827 posts)You want cheerleaders watch Fox News and how they treat Republicans...
Raggaemon
(68 posts)Is it JUST me ? why is it that everyone seems to have overlooked the fact that Mitt Romney looked a real live human being in the eyes on national TV and told him ( Jim Lehrer ), he was gonna be fired ? This wasn't some kids program character Mitt threatened with taking his job away, but everybody just seemed to miss that part, WTF ?
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)And he smiled when he said it, as if discarding another human being was fun for him to do.
theKed
(1,235 posts)to him, it is fun. He's been quoted as saying he enjoys being able to fire people.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Welcome to DU.
It was truly vile.
liberal from boston
(856 posts)Thank you Aleki. I also heard Gov. Dean on The Last Word state that President Obama did not lose the first debate & Lawrence O'Donnell questioned how could Romney who lied thru the whole debate be declared the winner. IMO, Romney was hyper, jumpy & excitable but the media never questioned Romney's behavior. President Obama was Presidential, gave detailed answers to questions, & at times even though the President was looking down at notes you could see he was amused at Romney's lies. Romney's behavior during that debate demonstrated to me what a disaster he would be as President.
Raggaemon
(68 posts)I only follow Nate Silver's page because he takes the time to weed out the way polls get weighted. One thing I believe Nate pointed out is that if the polls focus heavily on "likely voters" while diminishing the impact that "registered voters" have you'll get a totally different looking set of numbers. According to what I've read, registered voters tend to vote at around 80-85% of the time, weighing poll results that mesh both groups together, the president is in better shape than some may believe .... that deoesn't mean things have not tighetned of course.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)I only follow Nate Silver's page because he takes the time to weed out the way polls get weighted.
...I haven't seen a whole lot of "weeding" being done over at 538 recently. IMHO, he needs to get out his trowel and dig up a whole infestation of WeAskAmericARGravismussen sprouts fouling his lawn.
FarPoint
(12,409 posts)Like Palin did for her debate; and we all know she was clueless....
He didn't stop and think at all...just babbled away....no feeling in his answers....
Hope the town hall setting exposes Romney for the empty suit he truly is............
cheriemedium59
(212 posts)Why do we have to buy into 'their' opinions? They are journalists. We the people get
to make up our own minds about who did a better job. It has become a corporate/media agenda
instead of presenting the facts.
Iris
(15,657 posts)cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)and those who own it.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)PatSeg
(47,482 posts)Playful kittens would be good too.
This is a very good point. I try to keep an open mind, but I know that I can be influenced by the commentary after a political event. My initial reaction to Obama during the debate was disappointment and uncertainty. During the debate friends and relatives posted responses and I have to admit that started to affect my opinion. That was followed by the pundits and I never really had a chance to form an objective opinion.
Raggaemon
(68 posts)OF COURSE it's the job of the various news media to portray a death match, it's down to the wire, the challanger is gaining on the champ, horse race scenarios, what better way to grip anxieties and to capture eyeballs ?
I owned a business that used TV commercials to get customers, the account reps call advertisers trying to get them to buy more ads during times like these, I found that out when Bill Clinton ran for his second term. It's about generating advertising revenue taking advantage of special situations such as where we are right now.
I recall my CBS rep saying that if my ads were pre-empted by press conferences, etc., they'd make it up to with a few freebies, who'd say NO ?
I struggle to believe that ONE debate can create such a big shift in public opinion, it just doesn't seem reasonable, but then very little has been reasonable where it comes to the hateful push-back against Barack Obama's presidency.
Indep2992
(119 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)smorkingapple
(827 posts)*facepalm*
Guys guys guys guys guys.....
He lost. It was a DREADFUL performance. HORRENDOUS.
Please stop flushing your own credibility down the toilet by denying it. It was simply the worst debate performance by a Presidential candidate whether sitting President or not in my lifetime. Maybe ever.
The polls do not lie. He lost by epic proportions.
Does this table help you see the light?
You don't see a shift like this unless you take a massive shit on yourself in front of 70 million people.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)ONE person said on a talk show today. Which some people happen to agree with: that media coverage of debates immediately following a debate are HORRIBLE.
You've processed the message with the wrong part of your brain and gone all bonkers.
Read. It. Again.
And stop name-calling over imaginary b/s that you read into an OP that isn't there. Invisible Chair, anyone?
smorkingapple
(827 posts)You had people quoting Silver and Dean as backups to how they saw the debate(Obama draw).
This post was for them and others who think like them, not the OP. I suspect you're one of them.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)There was an orchestrated media echo chamber like the "Dean Scream" video-clipping that was non-stop and still makes me mad thinking about it.
Democrats should not be suckered into conservative talking points at election time.