2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDid Sanders actually just MORE THAN DOUBLE Clinton in Kansas?
MORE THAN DOUBLE!
MORE THAN DOUBLE!
MORE THAN DOUBLE!
But of course, it's all over, right? Because the corporate media and Daily Kos and the party insiders and the establishment billionaires and their Rockefeller foundation think tanks all told you so! Right?
msongs
(67,417 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Funny how that is!
Looks like it still a net gain for Hillary tonight, even with KS. So all is well!
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:42 AM - Edit history (1)
Oh... she's white. Not Arabic.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)"Are all red states cool again? Or just the ones filled with white people?"
disgusting but then their candidate said she would stay in because of Bobby Kennedy's assassination in the summer of 2008.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)You should find a candidate whose hands are clean before tossing around accusations of "war hawk"
In 2001, Sanders did not support the vote in Congress to oppose the war in Afghanistan. Congresswoman Barbara Lee stood alone! This vote was followed by his support for appropriations to support both the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. In 2003 he supported the resolution that gave support to George W. Bush in both Iraq and in the larger war against terrorism, although Sanders has been a critic of the Iraq War.
Then Sanders supported only a gradual withdrawal from Iraq. When impeachment was on the so-called table against George W. Bush in 2006, he said that impeachment was impractical.
Sanders, like his Democratic allies, has supported Israels aggressive Middle East policies against Palestinian statehood. He supported HR 282, the Iran Freedom Support Act, which was similar to the resolutions leading to the Iraq War. Indeed, it appears that Sanders is even to the political Right of many liberal Democrats!
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/27/bernie-sanders-savior-or-seducer-of-the-anti-war-left/
Not that I have a problem with *most* of those positions, any more than I do with Hillary's. But if you need her to be a monster who is too scary to hug children, rather than being just a woman, you do you.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)That said... she kills people like my son and hugs people like my daughter.
I HATE was Israel is doing. Bibi can kiss my ass. And I have a half Palestinian son and a half Jewish daughter.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)silly little miss of the finger, are being condescendinga personality trait that is so shameful.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I am paid to write for a living, so it bothers me.
In my (slight) defense, I was imbibing a bit last night.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)See reasons for these votes at link below.Iraq War and Operation Iraqi Freedom: Bernie voted against the joint resolution to authorize the use of force against Iraq in 2002, and voted against the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Iraq War Spending Bills to Aid Veterans and Vermonters: Bernie supported four war-spending bills, in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2011; he voted against six others.
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-iraq/#iraq-war-spending-bills-to-aid-veterans-and-vermonters
Your counterpunch says In 2003 he supported the resolution that gave support to George W. Bush in both Iraq and in the larger war against terrorism, although Sanders has been a critic of the Iraq War. Cannot find this.
But if you want to know what he voted for and why, it's right here:
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-iraq/#iraq-war-spending-bills-to-aid-veterans-and-vermonters
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)I interpreted the 2003 support to be appropriations. There were skyrocketing funding resolutions that year for both Iraq and wot.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I haven't checked his vote record. Got hit the sheets. I can't even see to type any more. I'll check it out tomorrow.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)April 3, 2003
HR 1559 - Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003 - Key Vote
Bernie voted Nay
May 22, 2003
HR 1588 - Defense Department FY2004 Authorization bill - Key Vote
Bernie voted Nay
June 24, 2003
HR 2555 - Homeland Security Appropriations, FY 2004 bill - Key Vote
voted Yea
Vote to adopt the conference report that would make appropriations of roughly $2 billion in fiscal year 2004 for the Department of Homeland Security.
July 24, 2003
HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill - Key Vote
Bernie voted Yea
$2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.
$1.8 billion for military and economic assistance for Egypt.
July 25, 2003
HR 2861 - Veterans Affairs and HUD Appropriations Act, 2004 - Key Vote
Bernie voted Yea
Provides funding for the Veterans Benefits Administration.
Provides funding for the Veterans Health Administration.
Sept 24, 2003
HR2555 HR 2555 - Homeland Security Appropriations, FY 2004 bill - Key Vote
Bernie voted Yea on Conference Report vote
$5.2 billion for the Transportation Security Administration.
$5.6 billion for "Project BioShield".
$4.4 billion for emergency first responders.
$8.6 billion for border protection.
Provides funding for the Coast Guard.
Transfers federal air marshals from the Transportation Security Administration to the Bureau of Immigration and Customs.
Oct 16, 2003
H Res 198 - Iraq's Reconstruction Resolution - Key Vote
Bernie voted Yea
Oct 31, 2003
HR 3289 - Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense - Key Vote
Bernie voted Nay
Nov 5, 2003
HR 2559 - Military Construction Appropriations Act, 2004 - Key Vote
Bernie voted Yea
Instructs the Secretary of Defense to inform the proper congressional committees at least 30 days prior to any military exercise relating U.S. personnel if construction costs are expected to exceed $100,000.
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Trusts the Secretary to report to the congressional appropriations committees on procedures planned by the Department of Defense in order for nations of NATO, Japan, Korea, and other U.S. allies bordering the Arabian Sea to take on a greater share of the common defense burden of such nations and the United States.
Nov 7, 2003
HR 1588 - Defense Department FY2004 Authorization bill - Key Vote
Bernie voted Nay
Nov 20, 2003
HR 2417 - Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 - Key Vote
Bernie voted Nay
Vote to adopt a conference report that appropriates a classified amount of money to United States intelligence agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Defense, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the Department of Homeland Security.
Nov 21, 2003
S 1156 - Department of Veterans Affairs Improvement Act of 2003 - Key Vote
Bernie voted Yea
Vote to pass a bill that would alter government run health programs for veterans.
Bans commitment or spending of any funds appropriated for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization Security Investment Program for missile defense studies.
https://votesmart.org/bill/3185/21023/27110/military-construction-appropriations-act-2004
I'm not seeing one he voted yea on in 2003 that qualifies for what counterpunch is indicating, so I guess you'll have to provide the bill number to back this up. Or not!
I would go after the rest of Counterpunches accusations, but I just wasted way too much time discovering they are wrong on Bernie's vote record, or reasons for voting (again...I've done this before here, to no avail). So I'm going to let the rest slide for now, but you might want to be careful of using counterpunch as a source. They admit to be a radical muckraking news source, and are proud of it.
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)"The days most important takeaway might be Bernies win in Kansas. Thats because for the last 50 years Kansas voters have successfully picked the Democratic partys presidential nominee with 100% accuracybetter than any other state in the nation."
http://vetsforbernie.org/2016/03/kansas-chooses-bernie-for-president/
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Awesome showing, Hillary! You are the BEST candidate EVER in history!
Thanks, Democratic party and corporate media for shoving Clinton down the collective throats of anyone who hates crazy Repukes!
You so have your pulse on today's independent voters, establishment decision makers!!!
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Looks like the tide is rising
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)If not for Bernie, more would have stayed home.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Yes, he did!
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)will probably triple Sanders in Louisiana.
Oh, well. As Shakespeare said, "All's well that ends well."
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm glad you like your life.
metroins
(2,550 posts)The president doesn't have a huge impact on my personal life.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Good for huge money in politics. Yay.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)And after hearing the news about Syria and the meeting between Kerry and Assad, I believe the Clinton folk need to reconsider. GO BERNIE!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)How come it doesn't matter when he wins?
Why is it unfair reporting?
Look who owns the big boards and where they cash their paychecks,hmmmmm???
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I should have mentioned the MSM in my Open letter to the DNC Tipping the scales for Hillary, They are tipping the scales as well and not doing a very good job of hiding it.
Shrek
(3,981 posts)Weather was beautiful here and lots of enthusiasm and positive energy.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Sanders: 26,450 (67.7) 23 delegates
Clinton: 12,593 (32.3) 10 delegates
The difference is much smaller in Nebraska
Sanders: 12,664 (55.1) 14 delegates
Clinton: 10,324 (44.9) 10 delegates
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and he's still worse off in the delegate count. than he was yesterday.
Sid
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)She wins. She loses.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)snark. It is all we heard when Hillary won Southern states.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Fuckin' A!!
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)She got 25.7% against Obama in 2008.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)You know, like how the real food movement started with tiny organic farmers, risking everything, in places like Vermont and Mendocino, Ca., and slow-burned for a long time as people slowly began to realize that real food is wa-a-a-a-a-y better than Corporate Food.
Then something began hitting places like New York City and Los Angeles called "Slow Food"--"slow" because it TAKES TIME to grow and cook real food. Those tiny organic farmers--many from the Hippie movement (whom we all know, now, were right about so many things!) who went "back to the land" and struggled and learned and got together at defunct granges and learned some more, and failed, and learned, and succeeded a little bit (cuz real food is so-o-o-o good), and had so much Corporate Ag political power against them, and still do, but persisted with Farmers' Markets and other original marketing ideas for fresh, real food, and kept on self-teaching and community organizing, and started SAVING SEEDS, and fought and are still fighting Monsanto, and fought and are still fighting Corporate Cruelty To Animals farming (all that pain and suffering and anti-biotics passed into our food for Corporate Profit), and fought the good fight on organic labeling, and did so many good things in their belief in real food, and have now forever changed the way we eat, or at least how we want to eat.
Organic food in Safeway! Organic food everywhere! Whole big stores devoted to real food! People getting a basket of fresh organic food of all kinds every week for a regular payment to keep their local organic farm going. And people growing vegetable gardens again, to taste a real tomato. And people growing them in cities on rooftops and in abandoned eyesore city lots.
The Bernie Sanders burn is happening the same way. Sneers and arrogance cannot stop it. Because it is real, it's packed with vitamins and minerals and it TASTES BETTER.
People know real when they taste it.
Vote Bernie Sanders: He's a homegrown tomato!