2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Baby Boomers Don’t Get Bernie Sanders
The spousal unit and I are at the very tail end of the boomers. A few of our older friends are Hillary supporters. A larger number, however, support Bernie. As do all of our younger friends.
https://newrepublic.com/article/130220/baby-boomers-dont-get-bernie-sanders
Transported to the early part of the previous century, Sanderss positions and rhetoric would sound a lot more traditionally Democratic than Clintons. Consider his New Hampshire victory speech, where he said, Tonight, we served notice to the political and economic establishment of this country that the American people will not continue to accept a corrupt campaign finance system that is undermining American democracy, and we will not accept a rigged economy in which ordinary Americans work longer hours for lower wages, while almost all new income and wealth goes to the top 1 percent. Thats much closer to progressive Democratic forebears like William Jennings Bryan (the partys presidential nominee in 1896, 1900, and 1908) and Franklin Roosevelt (president from 1933 to 1945) than Hillary Clinton is.
What changed? The fundamental makeup of the American economy.
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The relative ease of joining the middle class helps explain an anomaly of the Boomer generation of Democratsthe expunging of most class-based rhetoric. Jennings Bryan and Roosevelt regularly criticized finance and big business, sometimes even calling into question the morality of the very wealthy. Democrats of the sixties and seventies found a happy medium: subsidizing ways to join the middle class, not demonizing those at the top.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Also at the tail end of the Boomers, most of my contemporaries support Bernie.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Feeling very much the Bern!
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)* I was born between V.E. Day and V.J. Day, which is pretty much in between generations, but I identify as early boomer.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)less smart friends are Hillary supporters
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Friends that don't follow politics support Hillary, the Kardashians, and Trump.
They would vote for any of the three since they vote by name recognition.
msongs
(67,420 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)What did Bernie ever do to you?
Sad that you post the definition of "liberal" in all your posts and devote yourself to fighting for the most illiberal candidate in the race.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)And it's actually working. Otherwise he'd just be some kook with no votes to them.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)$250,000 at a time.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)MuseRider
(34,111 posts)when they said this same thing almost word for word. I called them on it and they unfriended me. They are Teabaggers who I know from a hobby that has nothing to do with politics. They are all voting for Trump, they love him. Where did you pick this up?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Why don't you run for office, dear?
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-02/somali-american-woman-confronts-hillary-clinton-gets-told-why-dont-you-go-run-for-something
daleanime
(17,796 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Must be because you're just flat out wrong. A lifetime? Sen Sanders has spent less than half of his life in government. No million dollar "loan" from his daddy. He was 40 years old when he won his first election. You need a nap.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But the difference is in the details, innit? Like just who it is that's paying...
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)and most the Boomers I know, myself included, are feeling the Bern!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)GO BERNIE!!!!!!!!!
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Sorry to burst the bubble.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)But some of us are still carrying th flame.
question everything
(47,487 posts)who are here today and gone tomorrow.
Either way, we, the older boomers, remember the 50s and the 60s, know exactly what socialism means and we say no, thank you.
We are also tired of false prophets who promise the sky and have no idea how to deliver.
And, we remember 1968 when all the leftists - no doubt including Sanders - stayed home because Humphrey was not good enough for them and we got Nixon. (Which, compared to this year Republican lineup he would have been quite acceptable).
So, will all of you, Sanders supporters vote for the nominee or will you, again, stay home?
We are old enough that we don't care much about the Supreme Court. The Millennials should. But, hey, why plan for the future? It is so... mature.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)question everything
(47,487 posts)I rest my case.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)I rest my case.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It WILL hurt me.
But better now than the slow death.
We're done, hon.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And there is no way that incremental centrism and a militaristic foreign policy honor Sixties values.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Whaaaaaaaa?
Lost me there....
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)and that endlessly reliving the salad days of SDS, Vietnam, Humphrey, McGovern, Patty Hearst, Sonny and Cher, and the Weathermen is about as relevant to the Political Landscape today as Prohibition, Flappers, and Al Capone were relevant to the election of '72.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Those who do not remember history....
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Witness the tragicomedy of the FBI this week trying to shoehorn the issues around encryption into a 1977 law designed for telephone line surveillance.
Which history are we in danger of repeating, anyway? The '68 nomination of the eminently electable HHHumphrey, or the '72 nomination of crazy loony lefty McGovern?
Fact is, both lost.
In 2004 we nominated the smart choice and lost, 2008 we nominated the "you'd be crazy to---" guy and won.
There's enough examples throughout history to justify just about anybody's argument. In the meantime, every once in a while it's helpful to remind the DUnizens of crankyshuffle dufferboardville - of which I am a proud citizen, myself - that this century belongs, first and foremost, to those born in it.
The rest of us are just running out overextended tourist visas.
1monster
(11,012 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)
both feel the Bern. (So does my millenial son.)
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:35 AM - Edit history (1)
but isn't it the Boomers who are more likely to be 'gone tomorrow' ?
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)Are you kidding me? This generation grew up online. THey have and have used access to more information than any Boomer ever had. As a Middle Boomer I am proud and in awe of this generation!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)than others. Just saying.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)When Lyndon Johnson signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act, hes said to have predicted, There goes the South for a generation. He feared black suffrage would prompt white Southerners to abandon the Democratic Party. Under Richard Nixon, the GOPs Southern Strategy aimed to ensure it by systematically making veiled (and often not-so-veiled) racist appeals to white voters. From now on, Nixon aide Kevin Phillips told him, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote, and they dont need any more than that.
The Southern Strategy succeeded beyond what even Nixon could have imagined. It set offor hasteneda political realignment in which the Democratic Solid South abandoned an attachment dating to the Civil War. In 1980, Ronald Reagan carried the entire South except for Jimmy Carters home state of Georgia. In 1994 a gain of 19 House seats in the South enabled the Republican takeover of Congress.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-12-04/birth-of-the-southern-strategy
Nixon also torpedoed the Vietnam Peace Talks with his backdoor treason. Announcement of an end to the War would have won the election for Humphrey. LBJ could have nailed Nixon on that and did not.
Richard Nixon was a traitor.
The new release of extended versions of Nixon's papers now confirms this long-standing belief, usually dismissed as a "conspiracy theory" by Republican conservatives. Now it has been substantiated by none other than right-wing columnist George Will.
Nixon's newly revealed records show for certain that in 1968, as a presidential candidate, he ordered Anna Chennault, his liaison to the South Vietnam government, to persuade them to refuse a cease-fire being brokered by President Lyndon Johnson.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason
TDale313
(7,820 posts)He's a boomer, supporting Hillary. I'm a gen Xer who's a Bernie supporter. Both life long Dems. He said this is the first time he's felt the Generation Gap this strongly- that younger people are just coming from a completely different life experience/headspace.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Boomers had it better before we turned in a corporation support system. I am also a gen Xer and I have two degrees one in (BS) degree in Nuclear Engineering Technology and one in Computer Science. And I make $18/hr. The Same as my dad was making in 80 working in a factory with just a High school education.
1monster
(11,012 posts)an hour after 22 years on a job that requires two different special licenses.
I'm making $12.00 an hour after fifteen years in the same job with an Associate Degree.
He's nearly sixty-nine and has a degenerative disease, but cannot retire yet... I'm hoping that he can retire at seventy. I'm sixty, and I don't have any hopes of ever retiring.
We were well off for a while in the seventies and early to mid eighties, but not since then... We both often worked two jobs in those days, though.
Gen Xers and Millennials definitely don't have it easy. I'm putting my Millennial through college one or two classes at a time.
But don't assume that Boomers have it easy. Many of the ones I know are seriously worried about how they are going to survive in their senior years as their bodies fail more and more often and the prices of necessary drugs go up and up and up.
SteveG
(3,109 posts)are staunch Bernie supporters, we are the same ones
that went Clean for Gene
awake
(3,226 posts)SamKnause
(13,108 posts)Bernie supporter.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)I've been in the Bernie Sanders camp since the day he announced ...
Never ONCE did I waver from that support ...
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I'm born in 53, and I have a spread of boomers around me age-wise on either side. The ones who are intellectually curious and ask questions understand who is telling the truth... Bernie Sanders.
The rest of us seem to need authority because it beats thinking for themselves.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)1monster
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MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)These people better be ready for when they REALLY face the intellectually challenged and have to think for themselves!
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)Solid boomer here and quite frankly I am proud of the things my generation did. Of course it was not all of us, some pretty crappy people have become a real scab on what we did. Still, almost every friend I have that is in my age group is solidly for Bernie. Solidly. Check out the results from tonight. I was sitting in the caucus in a huge group of people who are boomers. Solid for Bernie backed up by tons of young voters. It was glorious. Boomers for Bernie.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)I am the youngest in my circle of a dozen friends. Everyone one of us is Feeling the Bern!
longship
(40,416 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)And I know plenty of other boomers who support Bernie as well.
rickford66
(5,524 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)My husband and I most certainly get Bernie Sanders and Bernie gets us. And I'm proud to say that both of my daughters and their husbands support Bernie.
ancianita
(36,091 posts)But we're here! Get used to it!
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)not supporting Bernie? I'm 67 and my husband is 68. Most of our friends are about the same age AND we're almost all supporting Bernie! I do know some people who are supporting Hillary and a few asshole repukes that I have to be civil to as well, but these two old hippies, and most of the people we hang with, are excited to have a real live liberal to vote for again...FINALLY!
This "Boomers aren't supporting Bernie" is bullshit. HE'S ONE OF US!!!
braddy
(3,585 posts)They were pretty conservative. The under 30 age group went 52-46, for Nixon during the Vietnam war and the draft in 1972, and they were the age group that was most supportive of the Vietnam war, during the entire war.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)You know, I think it's fair to say that the mood in the country in the 60's/70's, and the reluctance to speak out against the war, etc, was more a sense of loyalty to the President and the military, and less about "conservative values." We were raised to respect those institutions having just gone through WWII (Korea was largely ignored). We were taught that America doesn't lose wars and that we would win.
AND the label 'conservative' did not mean what it's meant since the 90's with the whole small "Gubmint" anti-"Gubmint" bullshit, eliminating taxes and social programs, the rise of radical Christianity, and corporate dominance.
Don't forget that Johnson enacted Medicare, and Medicaid. We fought for and won civil rights. We fought for and got Roe v Wade, Nixon, with Gaylord Nelson, approved through the Clean Air Act, The Clean Water Act, The Clean Drinking Water Act, Earth Day, and other notably liberal legislation. We were NOT conservative by any stretch in most areas of life.
braddy
(3,585 posts)For the Gallup polling by age group on Vietnam http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/Mistakes/Vietnam_support.html
For the 1972 vote http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)Go bernie.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)But then again, the article assumes that the sort of people who are wealthy enough to vote for HRC(people who are automatically insulated from the consequences of austerity and privatization) represent ALL boomers.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I am consciously aware that I am very lucky. And that PoC, in large part, did not share the Happy Days.
I am so grateful to the civil rights movement. Not for what it did for me personally, but for what it did about things that bothered me - old enough to remember all those separate things.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I'm a Boomer, 1948, and I'm solidly for Bernie.
Oh, and we are not afraid of Socialism, either.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Try living on your own without any society to back you up.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Anyone that has kids or cares about future generations and the planet should support Bernie. Not all Boomers are selfish and greedy!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I hate this generational divisiveness.
Boomers + Genx + Millennials = Bernie in the White House.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Every boomer I know (including myself and my husband) totally "get" Sanders and will be voting for him. I'm sick of reading this disingenuous crap.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)and sterityping age groups is clueless .
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Stereotypes do not work, sorry.
global1
(25,253 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)of course we get him! There were always a percentage of these among us...
They got promoted while the rest of us who stood up were getting arrested and blacklisted. The Hills and Bills did well, taking the places of those who would've bested them except for that. The A team got benched and the C team took the field. That never really changed.
It's no surprise they're still backing on their own.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)Ideological purity has never impressed me.
2banon
(7,321 posts)big fail ..
Raine
(30,540 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)area51
(11,911 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Sorry ---- not buying this AT ALL. The "evidence" for this theory is that people over 65 favor Clinton? Weak math skills here.
Peak boomer for Bernie.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)WIN! Bernie WIN!
karynnj
(59,504 posts)I think that you are correct that we had a far easier time getting jobs out of college. I am 65, so near the beginning, but not the beginning of the baby boom. The economy was expanding when I left college and - at least in math science - there was actually competition to get competent women. Even then, it was easy to see the people slightly older than us at an even easier time because the beginning of the baby boom followed the war babies, where there was a dip in the number of children born. The later babyboomers faced a different reality.
Many of us babyboomers understand quite personally how the economy has changed. For some, it was reflected in jobs that they long assumed were for a lifetime, ended when they were downsized in their late 50s or in their 60s. Additionally, many of us have kids in your generation. We personally know how so many of you, worked harder in high school than any of us, taking AP classes and doing lots of extra curricular things to put on the resume for college. They accepted loans that made sense with the likely income they could get after graduation. Then things changed and in most fields, the number of jobs with salaries that would support a middle class life style was far less the number of people seeking those jobs.
Even if our own kids were lucky, we know their friends. We are not disconnected from your generation.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>>Many young voters see Clinton as a corrupt or untrustworthy insider, whereas Sanders seems sincere. >>>>
Appropriated from NY Times....ahem... "analysis."
He SEEMS sincere because he IS sincere. HELLO!
If it ran in the Times, I most likely read it already; even if I hadn't, I know where they're going with it and life is too short as is this particular day.
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ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)We get Bernie.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)And for most of my adult life, I've listened to people talking about how that generation of young people active when I was a kid "sold out" during the Reagan Revolution.
I can't say I disagree; at least some of them did.
That's why I'm so thankful for the millennials, picking up the torch.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)My wife and I have turned in our absentee ballots.
Two votes for BXS (in MI)
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Boomer here. Voting for Bernie and only Bernie.