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swag

(26,487 posts)
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:34 AM Mar 2016

Sanders Won More States, But He Lost The Day

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/louisiana-kansas-kentucky-maine-primaries-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-21849583

Sanders won Kansas and Nebraska. That’s the good news for him. The bad news is he’s even further from the nomination than he was before the day started: He lost Louisiana, and, in doing so, fell even further behind in the delegate hunt.

Let’s take a look at the math. Sanders won 23 delegates in Kansas to Clinton’s 10. He won — preliminarily — 14 delegates in Nebraska to Clinton’s 11. That’s a margin of 16 delegates.

In losing Louisiana, however, Sanders only claimed 12 delegates to Clinton’s 39.

Combine the three states, and Clinton gained 11 delegates on Sanders.

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Sanders Won More States, But He Lost The Day (Original Post) swag Mar 2016 OP
Check back in tomorrow after Maine. boomer55 Mar 2016 #1
Best wishes to you and your candidate. I'll check back after March 15. swag Mar 2016 #2
March 15 means nothing. Many of us don't vote until after March 15. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #3
Think whatever you like. swag Mar 2016 #6
I will. I like to think for myself. I don't let others do my thinking for me. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #9
Very good, then. swag Mar 2016 #12
How will the race fundamentally change on March 15? morningfog Mar 2016 #16
Funny how human beings get turned into math. Last I checked I am a human being, not a number. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #18
You are exactly right -- and anything can happen in politics at any time (eom) Samantha Mar 2016 #40
Hillary's delegate lead will be such hack89 Mar 2016 #54
So no different than now. morningfog Mar 2016 #57
Just a deeper harder hole to extricate himself from hack89 Mar 2016 #58
Regardless it is an arbitrary date. morningfog Mar 2016 #68
Save this link hack89 Mar 2016 #69
So does that mean you will not be posting until after the 15th? krawhitham Mar 2016 #33
I expect he will win Maine frazzled Mar 2016 #11
Mississipi and Michigan on March 8... SidDithers Mar 2016 #26
For him to gain 11 delegates in Maine... SidDithers Mar 2016 #19
No, Bernie won the day. HerbChestnut Mar 2016 #4
It's all about the delegates redstateblues Mar 2016 #8
States dont count. Delegates do. Adrahil Mar 2016 #31
I get that HerbChestnut Mar 2016 #50
That's true, but then, he would have lost Adrahil Mar 2016 #52
LOL at them doing the math for us, as if we couldn't add! Very condescending. reformist2 Mar 2016 #5
Please do check their math for us, as a service. Thanks in advance! swag Mar 2016 #22
bernie needs griffi94 Mar 2016 #7
These are updated frequently swag Mar 2016 #10
thank you griffi94 Mar 2016 #13
WHATCHA DOING HERE? bettyellen Mar 2016 #14
jpgray was HERE? Not in person? I wonder if he still talks about pataphysics a lot. swag Mar 2016 #15
Yes! I posted so on FB when it was happening. He has actually posted a bit the last few weeks here. bettyellen Mar 2016 #17
Oh, I thought you had meant that you saw him in person. swag Mar 2016 #20
here he is!!! bettyellen Mar 2016 #21
Nope, I don't think I have ever met him? Unless he was in NYC with all of us? Hmmmm. bettyellen Mar 2016 #24
Yeah, I think only the Chicago crew met him. swag Mar 2016 #28
They got quite the midwest thing going on, that Chi Crew. Did you see Peace Nikki telling on you? bettyellen Mar 2016 #29
What did Peace Nikki say about me? swag Mar 2016 #36
Look at the JP link. bettyellen Mar 2016 #44
*snort* swag Mar 2016 #47
Hee hee bettyellen Mar 2016 #48
538 - surprise, surprise!! dana_b Mar 2016 #23
It's like Kudzu- everywhere!! bettyellen Mar 2016 #25
Evidence-based analysis. Adrahil Mar 2016 #32
There's that word again that Sander's supporterS don't want to hear itsrobert Mar 2016 #27
Swag is a little obsessed with charts. And cats, he also loves cats. bettyellen Mar 2016 #30
Yes, cats. I like to snurfle my face on their tum-tums. swag Mar 2016 #37
You also like to snurfle your face on spreadsheets. Don't be modest. bettyellen Mar 2016 #46
swag should put spreadsheets on cats' tum tums. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #49
I LOVE that idea. How are you, Notorious GAT? bettyellen Mar 2016 #56
I'm hanging in there, bettyellen. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #64
It is unnerving, and I am kind of glad my state is the latest one, so my vote matters little. bettyellen Mar 2016 #66
Yup. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #67
Around 0.45% of the total necessary delegates is Hillary's gain today. Math. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #35
Best to you and your candidate, but it's starting to look like death by a thousand paper cuts. swag Mar 2016 #42
11 out of 2400+ Not exactly game changing for H. But it definitely gives Bernie more time to get Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #34
Hi. Gotta say that Clinton is not the one who needs a game-changer. swag Mar 2016 #38
We'll see at the convention after it's all played out. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #39
It will be over well before then hack89 Mar 2016 #59
So you say. We'll see. I'm patient. Are you? Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #60
I can certainly wait a couple more weeks. nt hack89 Mar 2016 #61
"Overall, it was actually a bad day for Sanders by the math, even with his two wins." Number23 Mar 2016 #41
that is my Swag, a savage beauty. bettyellen Mar 2016 #45
Is it just me or do you find the constant howls that comments and analyses like this are "trying Number23 Mar 2016 #72
Not just you. I do understand that people get upset because many voters prefer to be on bettyellen Mar 2016 #73
But it's not just about being on the winning side! If Sanders had the votes, HE'D be the winning sid Number23 Mar 2016 #74
Oh yeah. it is a tactic to try and stop her momentum. Hate using that word, but I know that many bettyellen Mar 2016 #75
Now, isn't that just a doggone shame? NurseJackie Mar 2016 #43
Yep. Exactly this. Clinton gained more delegates; That's a win. K & R nt Persondem Mar 2016 #51
Yeah, all the rest of the people in all the rest of the states Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #53
Yeah, I'm seeing this emerging narrative. Adrahil Mar 2016 #62
I'm seeing pick Bernie, or it won't matter who the hell I vote for anyway so why bother? Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #63
Anyone who thinks that is a fool. Adrahil Mar 2016 #65
Yup. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #55
hi swag!! PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #70
Hi, PeaceNikki! swag Mar 2016 #71

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
9. I will. I like to think for myself. I don't let others do my thinking for me.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:45 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is getting my vote on March 26.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
18. Funny how human beings get turned into math. Last I checked I am a human being, not a number.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:57 AM
Mar 2016

Human beings can be rather unpredictable.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
54. Hillary's delegate lead will be such
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:23 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:56 PM - Edit history (2)

that Bernie would have to win subsequent states with very high victory margins. Winning states is not good enough- he has to start blowing out Hillary in big states. All the polls say it is not going to happen. He will win states but not win enough delegates.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
58. Just a deeper harder hole to extricate himself from
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

With no indication that he knows how to turn his campaign around.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
69. Save this link
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

538 has estimated how many delegates each candidate would need in each primary contest to win the nomination. It then tracks how successful each is in reaching their target goals. It is simple math. If Bernie doesn't make his targets in each state then he can't mathematically win. The problem for him is that Hillary has piled up some blow out wins in states with a lot of delegates. Since delegates are awarded proportionally, roughly splitting the delegates with Hillary going forward doesn't help Bernie. That is why people make such a big deal about Super Tuesday and the March 15th primaries - it puts him in a big hole and requires even bigger victories in subsequent states just to pull even.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

Right now he is under performing.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
11. I expect he will win Maine
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:47 AM
Mar 2016

But Maine has only 25 pledged delegates. After today, he is behind by more than 200 pledged delegates:

Hillary Clinton 663
Bernie Sanders 457

Florida and Illinois are coming up on March 15: a total of 370 delegates at stake in those two states alone. It's a tough row to hoe.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
26. Mississipi and Michigan on March 8...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:02 AM
Mar 2016

136 delegates available.

Clinton is up by 50 pts in MS and 25 pts in MI.

She could potentially pick up 40-50 delegates on Tuesday.

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
19. For him to gain 11 delegates in Maine...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:58 AM
Mar 2016

He'd have to collect 18 of 25 delegates available.

Does anyone really think he's going to win Maine by 46 points?

Sid

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
4. No, Bernie won the day.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:41 AM
Mar 2016

He would have lost LA whether it was held today, yesterday, or tomorrow. He won two states vs. Hillary's one. That's a win in anybody's book.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
31. States dont count. Delegates do.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:15 AM
Mar 2016

If just winning states mattered,mthe GOP would win every election.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
50. I get that
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:18 AM
Mar 2016

The point is, if LA voted a week ago then Bernie's wins yesterday would have been viewed as a +23 (or whatever it was) delegate gain.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
7. bernie needs
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:44 AM
Mar 2016

to win some states with blowout numbers.
he can't afford very many more winning days like this one.

are there any states where's he polling far enough ahead that he can
start to close the gap?

swag

(26,487 posts)
15. jpgray was HERE? Not in person? I wonder if he still talks about pataphysics a lot.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:55 AM
Mar 2016

I just pop in occasionally to edify the fine minds here with the grand actuality of fact.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. Yes! I posted so on FB when it was happening. He has actually posted a bit the last few weeks here.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:57 AM
Mar 2016

He actually did an OP. Which was from the POV of a Bernie fan, but still didn't go over well with SBS fans. Oh well.
Yes. HE IS BACK!! Next comes Sundog!

swag

(26,487 posts)
20. Oh, I thought you had meant that you saw him in person.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:59 AM
Mar 2016

I guess I'll have to renew my membership so I can search on that em effer!

Though I thought I had given this one donation one time where I was promised eternal membership. Oh, DU.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
24. Nope, I don't think I have ever met him? Unless he was in NYC with all of us? Hmmmm.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:01 AM
Mar 2016

I don't think so.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
29. They got quite the midwest thing going on, that Chi Crew. Did you see Peace Nikki telling on you?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:12 AM
Mar 2016

HA. She is a pip.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
66. It is unnerving, and I am kind of glad my state is the latest one, so my vote matters little.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:36 PM
Mar 2016

I will be happy and working for whoever wins the primary. It gets more and more trollish in here though, embarrassing.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
67. Yup.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:43 PM
Mar 2016

I voted early in the March 15 Illinois primary. DU will improve once the nominee is chosen and the focus (hopefully) will go back to the Republicans and Trump or Cruz.

swag

(26,487 posts)
42. Best to you and your candidate, but it's starting to look like death by a thousand paper cuts.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:49 AM
Mar 2016

Today did not go in a favorable direction for Senator Sanders.

Work hard for your candidate!

My primary isn't until May 17. I may have decided whom I will vote for by that date.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
34. 11 out of 2400+ Not exactly game changing for H. But it definitely gives Bernie more time to get
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:32 AM
Mar 2016

into his states and make his case. It also shows that H isn't inevitable. Today could have been better for Bernie, but was still a strong day for him in my book.

swag

(26,487 posts)
38. Hi. Gotta say that Clinton is not the one who needs a game-changer.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:45 AM
Mar 2016

Best to you. Work hard for your candidate, whoever that may be!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
59. It will be over well before then
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:00 PM
Mar 2016

There is not going to be a floor fight. First vote and it will be over.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
72. Is it just me or do you find the constant howls that comments and analyses like this are "trying
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:27 PM
Mar 2016

to discourage people from voting for Sanders" really sad and pitiful?

Are there really that many people here that are so terrified by a detailed, factual analysis because it tells them something that they CLEARLY and desperately don't want to hear?? Since when is discussing reality "suppressing" people's votes?? What in the world is going on??

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
73. Not just you. I do understand that people get upset because many voters prefer to be on
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:34 PM
Mar 2016

the winning side which creates a momentum, so they don't want to hear the truth. I totally get it.


But meanwhile, every little campaign flyer or event, the DNC not registering voters, or caucus that does not have enough parking spots is "dirty tricks" and "voter suppression". It's quite amazing to hear people say walking four blocks to vote is too damned much, it reeks of privilege and ignorance.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
74. But it's not just about being on the winning side! If Sanders had the votes, HE'D be the winning sid
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:41 PM
Mar 2016

The insistence that the illuminati, chemtrails, Stonehenge, every damn thing in the world is somehow "keeping" Sanders out of the White House is just insane.

It is clear that it is the DEMOCRATIC VOTERS keeping Sanders at arm's length. The reasons for that are myriad but pretending like you said that it's because of "dirty tricks" and every half assed idea -- I even saw one thread where people were screaming that Hillary campaign callers were hanging up when people said they were voting Sanders and not telling them when/where to vote in the primary!! Oh the fucking horror! As if the Sanders campaign can't build a web site, print fliers or make calls of their own telling people win/where to turn out! -- or cause "Clinton called Sanders a racist" is just mortifying. It is embarrassing, mortifying and simply incredibly dumb to boot. Astonishing it's coming from the side that loves to paint itself as smarter and more informed than everyone else.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
75. Oh yeah. it is a tactic to try and stop her momentum. Hate using that word, but I know that many
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:48 PM
Mar 2016

know better than some of the BS they post, so it is what it is. Just like claiming DUers called Bernie a racist over a "not enough" post- a bullshit tactic. I get that there are a LOT of first time voters, but they should do themselves a favor before posting CTs and nonsense. It is crazy.

For instance- Maine's caucus is so crowded in some areas they have turned it into a primary and are allowing people to vote and leave- because they can't fit them inside the area to caucus! Only people wishing to be delegates need to remain. People are now complaining THAT is a conspiracy. Jeeze, you'd think they knew this stuff is planned by volunteers and stay and be delegates so they can make improvements. People have a lot of unfounded expectations.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
53. Yeah, all the rest of the people in all the rest of the states
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

should just go home and get ready for the coronation so the Democrats can just get on with the business of losing their ass to Donald Trump. Forget about this whole Democracy thing. They better brace themselves, though, because they have NO IDEA what's about to happen to their party.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
65. Anyone who thinks that is a fool.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

The idea that Clinton is the equivalent of Cruz or Trump is pure idiocy.

Vote for the Dem and then get to work in your local parties. "Cause let's face it, if either Bernie or Hillary are elected, their MAIN goal will be to prevent the nutty Congress from doing serious damage. Neither will truly be able to advance progressive causes while the Rethugs control the Congress.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
55. Yup.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

That's the way it goes.

There are more contests and it'll be over, with an obvious winner, in a few months.

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