2016 Postmortem
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)I had no idea they had such a big piece of her - ZOIKS!
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Can't believe they are wasting my money like this!
Gary 50
(381 posts)Are you kidding. The very best investment corporations make is when they buy politicians. I believe the average return is about one hundred to one. No way to know exactly but you can be absolutely sure of one thing, it not charity.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)I certainly do not support corporations funding politicians--thus it is, for me, a waste of money.
(And I was mocking the constant whining of the right wingers about "wasting our tax dollars"
Gary 50
(381 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)People as defined by Citizens United.
erronis
(15,299 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)StandingInLeftField
(972 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)If one can read the bottom half of that Forbes cover, one can conclude which way Dame Hillary leans.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)That deserves it's own post, if you haven't already. You might want to add a puke alert.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Because I am surely serious. And Don't...
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)Like it shows that Goldman Sachs even had her come back twice because they were having so much fun.....
senz
(11,945 posts)She would be a disaster for the American people.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)TWEETED!
Broward
(1,976 posts)beyondbeyond
(6 posts)The alarms were going off among thinking people back then.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1204376
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)GOHILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Human101948
(3,457 posts)What do you expect that Hillary will do for you during her Presidency?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)JOBS!!!, expansion of the ACA, protect SS, strengthen the military, protect us from terrorism, and I believe she will be a great President because she is qualified over Bernie and the Repugs put together.
dchill
(38,502 posts)of all that you expect. The bottom line is the bottom line.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)I don't care about paid speeches-they all do it. Transcripts-who cares. Really no one cares-not even the repugs. Some act as if she is this evil woman out to destroy America. When the opposite is true. Bernie has a very high learning curve for the job and that's not going to work.
dchill
(38,502 posts)Sanders has decades more experience. You delude yourself.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)dchill
(38,502 posts)Bernie's in the public service for 47 years.
FLOTS and FLOTUS do not count as public service.
All in all, she has only done 12 years of public service.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Instead of derision and dispersal, posts such as this string will generate cheers and concurrance.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)of the Hillary Group. But this is GD: P. I can post why I support Hillary here. This is not Bernie Underground.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)figure your trolling for friendlies. That's all.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Color me shocked, not.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Bernie's not broken the two thousand dollar mark yet. And what he DID GET as compensation, he gave to charity. But of course, as you observe, Bernie's just one more of "they all do it".
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)and you find out that Bernie is just a politician like all the rest, it will be a sad day for you. Here's a handkerchief now.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)of your intellect. Please forgive my contentions.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)A group people that think a WHITE man fighting for Civil Rights in 1960s is some how now a thing that does not mean much? I know I wish I was type of person like Sanders is.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)but I do have a record of being facetious!
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Hillary will be your next President by an awesome margin...
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)everywhere else, as usual. lose more house and senate seats, have more obstruction, have less activism for the party..it should be great, let the exodus begin.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Then maybe I could feel the excrem er, excitement!
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)"Bernie's not broken the two thousand dollar mark yet" That's his problem
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)That's his PLUS.
Docreed2003
(16,862 posts)Many, including myself, want to know, and frankly deserve to know what she said in private to those companies to deserve such reimbursement. I refuse to blindly accept that there's nothing there just because a candidate says its so. And I can assure you the repukes care and it will be used against her in the general if not addressed now
Kall
(615 posts)That assertion is simply untrue, like many of the Clinton campaign's arguments. That you don't care that she does it and others do not is not the same thing.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)or three more: Sanders Burlington College
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Hillary Clinton---Goldman Sachs
Hillary Clinton---Walmart
Hillary Clinton---Obama Boys
Hillary Clinton---private prisons
Hillary Clinton---Libya
Hillary Clinton---Honduras
Hillary Clinton---Henry Kissinger
Hillary Clinton---welfare reform
Hillary Clinton---predators
Lots more where they came from.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)butthurt.
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840high
(17,196 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He was the mayor of Burlington, Vt. for, I believe, four terms.
He went into the House in 1992 and has been in Congress ever since. I think he went into the Senate in 2006.
He served on the Budget Committee (ranking member) and has worked on the Veterans' committee for years. He has worked on many, many committees an issues.
He has far more experience than Hillary.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)ACA is a Republican creation and more war should never be part of any democratic platform.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)implemented by a Democratic president which helped millions of people.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)who fall in the middle, go broke, because their insurance premiums go up exponentially, while the executives of insurance companies continue to deny coverage to specific things, while raking in billions of dollars. The ACA was a handout to the insurance companies.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)sounding like a repug. I am not a purist. Bernie can't just fall from the sky and be a Democrat for 8to9 months and thinks everyone is to receive his anti-Obama message, especially since Obama is very popular with Democrats.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Apparently that isn't on your list of "things to vote for".
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Are you on Uranus or somewhere? Strengthening the military is about 90% of what's got us into the mess we're in right now. And strengthening the military won't protect us from terrorism either, probably just the opposite.
You just pulled a bunch of stuff out of the air didn't you?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Fucking LOL!
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)I am a 21 year air force veteran retired so yea.
phazed0
(745 posts)Thank you for your service.
I just don't think that the Military should have more money because you served... or go to more war "just because". I don't think your reasoning should be "I served the Military, therefore, they need more money".
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)phazed0
(745 posts)First for responding to:
"OMG, like the military needs strengthening...."
then you say:
"I am a 21 year air force veteran retired so yea."
Which sounds like you are agreeing that the Military needs strengthening.
Of course there is the whole voting for Hillary thing that says you are for strengthening and pouring money into the Military!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)All in it together
(275 posts)He's been working for Vets very hard and got together with John McCain to improve treatment for vets. Also voting to keep us from going into Iraq he knew would take many American lives and limbs, not to mention the effects of PTSD and 22 vets committing suicide daily.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)and the establishment would be very Happy..The Republicans would not have to contend with the leading Fascist on the ticket.
Hillary would be like their Ronald Reagan all over again....put an R in front of her name and they would love her.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)You're expecting jobs?
phazed0
(745 posts)of any meaningful capacity or quality.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)that those companies sent overseas. Just like the handout to insurance companies. just like the expansion of the war machine, which raises our taxes.
Qualified??? Technically, the only qualification is that someone is a natural born citizen of the US, 35 years of age or older, who has lived in the US for ten years. Please explain to me how others, in specific, Sanders does not meet these qualifications, or how she meets these technical qualifications more, as you say.
Thanks in advance.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)time I checked and yup I am on the DU forums.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Race to the bottom that her husband initiated with NAFTA.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)More than half of our entire budget is now spent on the military.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)Who she pals around with should, but it probably won't, give you a picture of what she's going to be like as president.
She takes advice and considers him a good friend, war criminal Henry Kissinger.
The Bush Crime Family consider her part of the clan. GWB considers her his sister-in-law.
She pals around with Lloyd Blankfein.
She considers herself as part of the 1% but pretends she cares about the 99%. Case in point, wall st bigs have said that either Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton would be fine with them to become president. Now that Jeb's gone, they're pro Hillary all the way.
She won't release her Goldman Sachs transcripts because of the glowing remarks she made about them. People at the speeches have said that it was a positive image of wall st that she remarked on. Her speeches are against everything that she's said about reining them in. Yes, I know, the rest should release their speeches before she releases them. Why? Who gives a crap about republicans, we all know they're pro wall st and their transcripts will show them heaping praise on them. Bernie has nothing to show because he never gave speeches to wall st. If she has nothing to hide, then release them. There's the rub, she does have something to hide, which will make her look hypocritical.
Everything you expect won't get done. She's against universal health care because her buddies, big pharma and big insurance, don't want it. I have never, ever, met a democrat that was against universal health care until Hillary said she was against it, and of course, her supporters are against it now.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)you can not change mine...
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)Hillary's history, past and present, speak for themselves.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)None of the rest of the things you list can happen if she increases the war budget. We are spending twice as much on death in real dollars as the U.S. did under Reagan...and the Cold War is over.
We need to get out of the war business, other than defending our own territory from attack. Every other use of U.S. force is only going to be fighting for the rich.
And there's nothing we can do in the Arab/Muslim world using force. At least nothing positive.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I think that adoration of a politician, any politician, clouds one's judgement, and if people elect one for that reason, very bad things are likely to happen. A representative democracy works only with informed and skeptical citizens, not worshipers.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)be said about Bernie's supporters.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Sanders and then liked his polcies. I was for exctly what he has said for years, I just never knew him untill he ran for POTUS, then I looked into his history and said, dam here is guy who wants same things I do and he was a Civil rights activist in 1960s. That someone I want leading country. And when I saw other canidiate use dirty tactics to say he and his supporters are racist that just sucks.
Logical
(22,457 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)The rest is left as an exercise for the reader.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Oh yes! There are Dem Ignoramuses too!
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Everybody knows. And, for some reason, non-1%s vote for her anyway.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Yeah.
Since when is pointing out the obvious 'accusing' anybody of anything?
Broward
(1,976 posts)Some people just can't see themselves.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I have zero doubt that some of the people who've thrown a fit over even hinting that black Democratic voters (who are not wealthy) are voting against their self interest have no problem saying that about working class people (of whatever race) who vote Republican.
Hillpocrites...
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)You might want to rethink that comment. If you were a Sanders' supporter, the AA outrage brigade would have tarred and feathered you by now: symbolically, of course. Are you one of their approved white spokesfolk? Then it's okay.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)inquiring minds want to know.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I wonder why that is?
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... they would have used a more current photo of her.
GO, HILLARY! WE LOVE YOU!
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)How so? The point was, and evidence suggests, that Hillary Clinton is a highly paid corporate tool. How is that awesome?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)the smiling abuela. The implications of the magazine the image is on and the headlines that accompany are invisible.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Perhaps the phrase "something she wants to keep in the past" is too subtle for some people.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)past. It is going to be tough to continue to create jobs without business helping. Perhaps, the concept of people working for businesses is too subtle for some people.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)That Big Corps are bribing our candidates
But have fun posting that in your bubble here on Sean Hannity forums.
edit: whoops sorry about that I post on both and read comment too quick and thought I was on the GOP forum.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I guess when the "Goldwater Girl" attack failed, they decided to go a bit more contemporary ... like 2007.
phazed0
(745 posts)You are one to talk about attacks. They decided to go a bit more contemporary? Who lost in 2008 against those "contemporary" attacks? Hmm.
But really, NurseJackie, I have seen you all over this forum with "questionable" and snide attacks on BS. Just look at NurseJackie's journal or your postings.
Oh yes, you are holier than thou.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Not a new issue.
She isn't that young looking now.
but, due to taking good care of herself, she has always been a very youthful looking person.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)day Bill walked out of the WH.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)if they are surprised by this. The worm has turned.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)who makes her living shilling for Wall Street? Remember the Great Recession that began in 2007? How did that work out for you? Wall Street banks were her biggest contributors while the economy was melting down and she was running for president.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)and investments on Wall Street, and I want fucking Wall Street regulated the way it was before Bill Clinton unleashed the bastards and cost me and millions of other people a fortune in 2007. How believing someone who supported the GrammLeachBliley Act, NAFTA, runs a crooked tax-exempt foundation, and supported the Iraq War gives a rat's ass about how either of us do economically escapes me, regardless of the pseudo populist campaign rhetoric that will be discarded her first day in office.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Propping up a misguided theory. You expect us to believe the foundation is crooked because you want it to be. Hillary will enforce all regulations.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Will she tell them to "stop it," like she did when she was senator?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)What misguided theory? Do you really think the money won't flow into the Clinton Foundation if she is elected? Why don't you check the list of her campaign contributors against the list of her foundation donors. Presidents are obliged constitutionally to enforce the law. Was there some point to your statement about regulations?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)Hillary is proud of her record in the Senate, and she should be.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)free college, free healthcare and a $15/hr. national minimum wage all the while knowing that a Republican-controlled House will not let those promises see the light of day during the next presidency. She's not the one stooping to such dishonest pandering.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I've agreed with Bernie since the 90's when he was pointing out unpleasant truths that have come to pass, thanks in large part to the collaboration and/or defeatism of Democrats like Clinton.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)These college kids need realistic "short term" solutions and Sanders is promising them a pipe dream. You can afford to be bamboozled. They can't.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And I think most of those those college kids are not expecting miracles overnight.
Hillary is also promising to lower their debt load -- smaller promises but no more likely to happen within their college careers either.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)But I would say some do think long term, some don't.
Boneheads and intelligent people come at all ages.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)That is a realistic goal. Young adults by nature think short term. In this day of instant gratification, Bernie knows what dinner bell he's ringing.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Just have to leave it at that I guess
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)like a rightwing controlled congress is gonna let anything through but her rightwing garbage
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)whereas a reminder of what they've done as obstructionists throughout the BHO admin seals the deal for me.
so run along with your garbage, eh?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)and a whine about "polite" coming from someone who just blanketed all of american youth with an ignorant/impressionable charge in a failed effort to insult BS with what, dishonesty/taking advantage of the mentally disadvantaged charge, is hillarious
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)Search Results
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Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)There's this thing called Vision, without which NOTHING ever gets done. Followed up by Leadership which is the spark that ignites the third necessary element...Action. How long did it take for LGBT rights? As I recall, the final word was from none other than PBO. I saw that speech, and from there on...well, you know what happened...
Social Security was FDR "pandering? That's what they said then.
The same is true for "no, we can't"...that's "bringing to heel" any progress or forward motion and surely requires nothing more spectacular than looking to the past. That used to be a Republican value. It's morphed into the Democratic Party and I Want My Party Back.
Yes, we can...Start to move in the direction that most all other civilized and some so-called uncivilizaed nations see as Human Rights.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)100 days ? Sanders knows that, due to Republican gerrymandering after the 2010 census, the House will be controlled by Republicans throughout the next presidency. I've never heard him admit that to these students. As for a long term movement, it requires reaching out to the Republican base to put the necessary pressure on Congress to defy the special interest. That environment does not exist today. Teddy Roosevelt understood this. Why doesn't Sanders understand that ? And do get me starting about the Supreme Court hanging in the balance.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)What's he to do...go with the Corporate Candidates ... "We got ours...sucks to be you."? Or, It's too tough out there...better batten down the hatches and wait for better weather.
That's what I hear...and not just from you. And to give that We Cant meme with the rest of your post is like Politics 101...for freshmen. It's close to insulting just to make a point. All breathing DUers know that is what appears to exist today.
What did FDR do? He didn't cry in his beer. He did just what Bernie is doing...Yes, we can...Yes, we will. And to do it, Millenials, we need you. Oh, and by the way, most Millenials are better educated and aware than the general public is aware of.
I'm clear your position will get Nothing Done or take decades...because that's what you expect.
One does not change a broken/rigged system by the same rules/mentality/memes that created it. Forgot which wise person first made that quote.
Go, Bernie. We can do it !
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)But, due to gerrymandering, the Republicans will have a lock on the House until the 2020 census at least. That's a statistical fact and not opinion.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Republican - Corporate - Ownership Obvious
Republican - Tea Party - Funded by O, C, B
Democratic - Corporate - Compromised by O, C, B Through Efforts Of The DNC, DWS, DLC and Third Way
Democratic - Progressive - Sick and Tired of The DNC, DWS, DLC and Third Way
Independent - Sick and Tired of Both Establishment Parties
Apathetic - So fed up that voting is not worth the time and effort
So - What Is Being Regained Other Than Continued Ownership By The Same Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)I wasn't talking theory.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)political reality will continue to rule. Teddy Roosevelt worked with the progressive magazines of the time to persuade the base of the opposition party to pressure their politicians to stand up to the special interests. Can you imagine a President Sanders, in this politically polarized environment, reaching out to FOX, Limbaugh, Beck or Breitbart to push for Medicare for all, free college, expanded Social Security and a $15/hr. National minimum wage ? Timing is everything to a movement. The timing is bad right now especially with the Supreme Court hanging in the balance.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.
Then Bernie will win.
senz
(11,945 posts)"They don't want well informed people capable of critical thinking."
"They want your Social Security money, and they'll get it."
"Good honest, well-intended people keep electing these rich ****'s who don't give a damn about you."
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Hillary hasn't promised a thing except words, just like Trump. He says he'll make America great again and Hillary says she'll make America work for everyone, or some such nonsense. Bernie has been the ONLY candidate to put out what he actually wants to do, that's why you have something to attack without offering anything up yourselves. But he has also put out how he plans to finance his plans and has also talked about how he can get things rolling.
Hillary's plan is like Obama's, well she'll TRY to do something but that mean old congress won't let her so she'll settle for almost nothing.
No goal is ever reached by that thinking. You have to set a goal and go for it. Remember Kennedy and going to the moon. We didn't even have that technology to do it but he said we would and we did.
And do you think FDR had a totally willing congress during his time? If everyone was cooperating why did he say the welcomes their hatred? All those congress members from the south weren't clamoring for Civil Rights act but LBJ pushed and cajoled them and he got that done too.
THE POINT: NOTHING BIG IS EVER ACHIEVED BY AIMING SMALL.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Bernie would not have chosen this moment in time if he were a 50 year old Senator with a quarter of a century of opportunity ahead of him. He has been unable to attract the numbers he needs for this revolution because the country knows in it's gut that the time is just not right.
The very same Republican Congress that has had the cake-baked for her for years now?
She will get 10x's worse than what we seen from them with President Obama.
I believe just as a bogus "scandal" to impeach her in his second term, she will be impeached(mostly just as bogus) in her first and only term.
Why would anyone who's supposedly paying attention float such an idea that she will fair so much better than Bernie?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The vote count reflects this reality. You have know chance with Republicans without the backing of Democrats. That simple.
imari362
(311 posts)Democrats in Congress WILL not support a Bernie Sanders Presidency?
They will just sit on their hands and let Republicans eviscerate a Democrat President because he wasn't the "Party" choice.
Really?.....
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The only votes that count would be in congress, not primary voters in states like South Carolina or Louisiana. So your "vote count" reality doesn't exist.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Medicare for all when the Republican-controlled House has voted 62 times to repeal the ACA, a program that doesn't approach Bernie's in the area of government intervention. C'mon, are you really going to disagree with me on that point ?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)half million dollar speeches on Wall Street to the tiny fraction of the population who own a disproportionate share of the national wealth and income, then she convinces people like you that it's too expensive to do anything about it except wage war, and shovel money to banks. Maybe, she right. Maybe the fact that she's right and thinks like you is the problem. I want a president willing to fight, not one willing to make excuses for doing nothing because of the republican congress.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)full support of the Republican base. That's just the reality of the situation. It is with that reality in mind that I don't wish to see a 7-2 or 6-3 Right leaning Supreme Court for a generation and all that entails. That is my determined position with regards to this election. I will staunchly support Hillary. Good day.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)and you will have a right leaning Supreme Court. Count on it. Good day.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)the Democrat base ? She could simply nominate a Right wing justice and throw caution to the wind. You would have been better off just saying that you support Bernie.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)deal she can with the republicans. That will mean a right of center nominee. She will not nominate nor fight for a liberal justice. She wouldn't do that if she had a democratic senate to work with.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)to know what Hillary Clinton is. Her record stretches back all the way to Goldwater and Sam Walton. I am at a loss to figure out how support for Sanders alters any of the inconvenient facts of Hillary Clinton's political history.
FlaGranny
(8,361 posts)through here and you are certainly trying to live up to your username.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Bernie said, "No, president, not even the greatest president can achieve these goals without massive support by the people."
So, no, Bernie isn't promising things. He makes it clear that he cannot get these things done without a political revolution involving millions of us.
Bernie is not dishonest. You are thinking of Hillary.
All in it together
(275 posts)He wanted more people to be educated, not to gain tuition from them. It would be nice if we had a better educated public.
Lincoln was a honest Republican, those were the days. We just need to vote better people into congress. I think you have the wrong avatar.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Com'on guys, get realpolitik!
treestar
(82,383 posts)What is bad about businesses doing well? If they think they will do well under Hillary? That means more jobs if business does well. You are not going to sell Bernie on the concept that all corporations and businesses suck and that they are always cheating and dishonest. Most voters want Wall Street doing well and business doing well and to have a good job. That is more likely when things are going well.
Precisely.
What's wrong with businesses doing well??
These Bernie fans don't sound like democratic socialists, they sound like commies.
raging moderate
(4,305 posts)And that is what it DID mean, back in the Glass-Steagall days, when big business was better regulated. Also when we had true captains of industry, who didn't sit around whining like toddlers every time they didn't get their every little whim granted for tons of free stuff. We had many fine business leaders instead, who built businesses to achieve profits for themselves and their investors plus benefits for their customers and their fellow American citizens. They were given respect along with their profits, because they had earned both.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I just found out the Democrats have a candidate for my legislative district (a race we lost in the last election). Got some of his literature at the caucus.
It has three main points, besides pictures of him and his kids.
"responsible government, education is our foundation"
"leadership, an advocate for Kansas veterans"
"Pro jobs. Pro business. Making Kansas strong"
Hillary is not the only Democrat who sounds like a Republican. Maybe it's based on the fact that a majority of voters are not anti-business.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)this one. It would be fine if send you don't think all corporations are out control but to claim Sanders is anti-business is insane GOP brainwashing babble. Low information voters spew that crap.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)The Reagan's believed that homo's should die and it was G-D's will so nothing should be done to help people who were HIV positive.
I won't let them rewrite history in my brain!
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Guess what though? We sorta have to win a whole bunch of low information voters.
Unless our whole point is just to Bern down the Democratic Party rather than really achieve something positive.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)
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tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)ordinary Americans is good for them....
They are wrong!
Demand is what creates jobs and when you take the money away from ordinary Americans (like me), demand drops.
Why don't they understand that putting money into our pockets, creates jobs, and helps their bottom line.
I guess they are too greedy to see it.
All in it together
(275 posts)Because they can sell their stuff all over the world.
Those big businesses don't give a hoot about America or Americans.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)LS_Editor
(893 posts)The corporate media has its projections. Wall Street has its projections. Satire.
Wall Street Projects Hillary Clinton Will Be Next U.S. President
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zentrum
(9,865 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)blondie58
(2,570 posts)Yes, we would be fine with the R candidate or Hillary Clinton.
That tells you a lot. Hillary is one of the 1%, with her net worth of $45 million. How does a politician amass so much wealth?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)All set for the Coronatoin dearies!