2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumE.J. Dionne: Energized VP may have saved Obama Campaign
What a difference a week makes.
In the first presidential debate, President Barack Obama let Mitt Romneys attacks on him stand, and seemed disengaged.
Vice President Joe Biden stayed in Rep. Paul Ryans face for the entirety of Thursdays vice-presidential debate. In the process, he forced Ryan, and by extension the Romney campaign, onto the defensive for a large part of the evening. Obama has a lot to be grateful for.
Last week, Romney repeated over and over that the presidents health-care bill cut $716 billion. Obama didnt push back much to explain that the cuts came from providers and insurance companies, not beneficiaries. This week, Ryan was forced again and again to answer for his voucher/premium support approach to Medicare, which Biden hammered at relentlessly...
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2012/10/14/energized-vp-may-have-saved-obama-campaign.html
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)Wirh no equivocation and no apology, and with fierceness and righteous indignation. He filled the Hapa Obama left empty and it was pretty damned satisfying.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Grateful for Hope
(39,320 posts)that it was Democrats themselves who contributed to it:
The commentary by pundits such as Maddow and Matthews also contributed heavily.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Debates are subjective. Winning or losing a debate is in the eye of the beholder.
Repeating over and over how Obama supposedly lost doesn't help anything.
writes3000
(4,734 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)was over the top and fodder for the right!
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)that how much lying one does has nothing to do with one's debate performance.
Same folks that could have easily decided that Obama was the winner because he
told the truth, and Romney was lying out of his pie hole at every opportunity, looked crazed,
and had this sick grin/smile on his face the entire time that he was lying.
When how much one of the candidate lies has no affect on the pronounced debate outcome,
than you know that as a country we are highly fucked.....
Add to that, Democrats who started to compete to see who could best hammer Obama on his performance.....
which some are still tirelessly doing, rather than having Obama's back (which would have been best for their own sake,
as Obama, if he lost the election, wouldn't be as fucked as the rest of us would be)
and so to that I say yes....I am very much frightened by the dumbness, stupidity, and lack of political savy many folks have exhibited since the debate.
.....that indeed is some scary ass shit!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)There is no way for him to lose or draw unless the asshat pundits cook that up. So let's get that done and decided, Obama wins over Rmoney. Done.
mzmolly
(50,993 posts)Thanks for sharing WD.
Tutonic
(2,522 posts)Have you noticed the surge in Right-wing polls post-debate? Where were these pollsters pre-debate? Probably waiting for their cues to ramp up their smoke and mirrors from Karl and Proooobus. The sad truth is that Romney was losing pre-debate and post-debate. He continues to lose. All the talk about a good Republican ground game is laughable...how do you build a ground game state by state in a week? Look this is the guy that had to spend over a year prepping for the Olympics on turf that he was most familiar with--so now we are to believe that he can marshall the forces needed to compete with a game that has taken Obama 8 years to devise? The MSM is simply shilling for a lying sack of poo--a. When you see a five or six point lead in Ohio or Iowa , remember that this is based on and they do this because their livelihood depnds on it. Without it they couldn't afford those two million condos and weekend retreats. people that voted in 2008--it does not reflect votes being cast by new voters. The reason that David Plouffe and Axelrod did not freak out like the MSM is because they know that they are leading in a significant manner. Hell I'd wager that Obama is leading in Florida and Colorado--simply based on a top flight ground game. So when you hear E.J Dionne and Rachel referencing the likes of Gravis, Monmouth, Suffolk and ARG please remember that those pollsters came to the party with Karl and they sure as hell are leaving with him. Obama and Biden have got this!
desertduck
(213 posts)i think this coming week's numbers will reflect that. but i know it isn't everything. regardless, i think we are going to win by a landslide.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)What do you base this on?
Obama has to get back up in the National polls first.
desertduck
(213 posts)What's his face in the election. Good tv. They generate an awful lot of money. Clearly, we outnumber them, and it will just depend on whether we gotv, the voting machines, voting intimidation tactics taking hold or not. But other than that, i have no concrete, evidenced based proof for that assertion. None. That is purely my own hunch. But it could also be that i live in a place where i talk to people of different economic stratas and see the anger towards the republicans. The latinos here are pretty pissed off at sb1070, the elderly are pissed about medicare & ssi, women are pissed about the attack on women's health issues---they may not say it too loudly but it is there. I think that the abortion issue will tank them as well. People won't talk openly. But when they go to vote, they will take care of business. So, i could very well be wrong...but i'm going to go with my hunch on this.